a1712 Posted May 17, 2015 Posted May 17, 2015 I've never fished Braid to a leader before, but a lot of the bank fishing lakes I have are gin clear, so I decided to try a leader. I'm running 14lb. Braid(Stren Sonic) to 10lb. McCoy Copoly. I'm using a Mod. Albright, 7 up-7 down. The knot looks fantastic, is small, and I can't pull it hard enough with my hands to break it. It passes through the guides and I can't feel any hangups or resistance from the knot. How long should this knot last while fishing? I have the leader long enough that it comes through the rod to the first guide and I'm bombing 1/2oz. Spinnerbaits. My problem is, after a few hours I launch that Spinnerbait into the next County but it's no longer atached to my Braid. Any help is appreciated. Thanks all, Brian. Quote
EvanT123 Posted May 17, 2015 Posted May 17, 2015 Brain, I don't think there is a specific time on how long they should last. I only re-tie the leader when it's under 6-8 inches, they normally are 6-6 1/2 feet. The length of time could be anywhere from an after noon to a week over longer. I've been doing pretty good with a fluke and have had the same leader tied on for almost a week and a half. Keep practicing that knot. I will say I only use braid on spinning rods and a frog rod where I tie direct. It certainly might be possible that the weight of your lure combined with your casting motion May contribute to the weakening of the knot. Idk. Quote
Ozark_Basser Posted May 17, 2015 Posted May 17, 2015 Make sure after you have done the last seven wraps back up to the loop, you pass the tag end back through the loop in the right direction. That sounds like your problem. Watch the video with Alberto himself showing you how to tie the knot. Quote
Ozark_Basser Posted May 17, 2015 Posted May 17, 2015 The leader knot should be more reliable than your bait knot. Quote
a1712 Posted May 17, 2015 Author Posted May 17, 2015 Followed Alberto's instuctions to the T. I'll go chuck some baits tomorrow and see how it lasts. Thanks Guys, Brian. Quote
corn-on-the-rob Posted May 17, 2015 Posted May 17, 2015 Other than obvious line care like checking for nicks, my leader will only get changed if it becomes to short or if it has been a week or two since last use. Quote
Super User Chris at Tech Posted May 17, 2015 Super User Posted May 17, 2015 So are you saying the knot slipped, or broke after being frayed? I have not yet been able to consistently get an Alberto to hold. For that reason I only use uni to uni on the water Quote
Super User SirSnookalot Posted May 17, 2015 Super User Posted May 17, 2015 Other than obvious line care like checking for nicks, my leader will only get changed if it becomes to short or if it has been a week or two since last use. I can leave a leader on 2 weeks with no problem if it isn't scuffed up. I make 8 wraps up and 0 down using 10# braid and 15# leader, using a duolock on this set up. I have had a few failures on a salt set up (not in fresh) tying the knot exactly the same way. I'm convinced it's my own user error as I put a new leader on each rod each day, once in a while I just screw up. 1 Quote
a1712 Posted May 18, 2015 Author Posted May 18, 2015 So are you saying the knot slipped, or broke after being frayed? I have not yet been able to consistently get an Alberto to hold. For that reason I only use uni to uni on the water Yes, the knot is either slipping or breaking. It will last a few hours then let loose on a cast, I am casting really hard with 1/2oz. baits. I retied another leader following Alberto's video and will try again this week. My knot looks perfect and I can't break it with my hands before I would risk some serious cuts. I can't feel the knot pass through the guides, I'm useing K-Concept Micros. Brian. Quote
Super User Chris at Tech Posted May 18, 2015 Super User Posted May 18, 2015 If a knot was going to slip, I'd tend to think it would happen pretty quickly so it's strange to hear that it's happening later. In that case it sounds like the line is fraying so try to check the line every 5-10 minto see if the fraying can be detected before total failure. Quote
kcdinkerz Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 Super glue lol. But never had that problem using the alberto knot. I only retie when the leader gets to short, or it frays near the knot 1 Quote
Super User SirSnookalot Posted May 18, 2015 Super User Posted May 18, 2015 Yes, the knot is either slipping or breaking. It will last a few hours then let loose on a cast, I am casting really hard with 1/2oz. baits. I retied another leader following Alberto's video and will try again this week. My knot looks perfect and I can't break it with my hands before I would risk some serious cuts. I can't feel the knot pass through the guides, I'm useing K-Concept Micros. Brian. I do think the knot isn't tied correctly. The few times my knot has slipped or unraveled has not been right away, been after many casts, the knot looked and felt just fine initially. I know it's my own user error, I tie it too many times without failure, when it does fail I'm the cause. 1 Quote
shanksmare Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 I have not had long lasting success with knots that pass through guides. I can tie braid to a leader and have it last ast long as there is any of the leader left as long as the leader stays outside the guides.. I have not been so successful with knots that pass through guides. They all seem to eventually fail. The friction of the knot going through the guides appears to be the problem. Why not just use straight 14# mono or flouro? I wouldn't use anything lighter since I'm usually throwing a spinnerbait into the junk. Since moving to FL I have moved up to 20# test for SB's. I find the stretch of mono to be an advantage when fishing SB's. chatterbaits and cranks. Many more of my hits turn into hooked fish. Quote
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