Super User Team9nine Posted May 26, 2015 Super User Posted May 26, 2015 Since Sunday fishing was slow I threw a 3" Senko on a 1/16 oz Gopher mushroomhead with a # 6 jig hook and caught about 20 bass in the last hour , most were small but I did stick a few decent ones and had a 4lber jump off . I've thrown this for a few years before the publicized Ned RIG and apparently the fish didn't get the memo that it needs to be a TRD plastic . Another good one to try on a jigworm which is basically what a NED Rig is a 4" finesse worm or a Smallie Beaver by Reaction Innovations. The jig worm has been used for decades and when paired with small soft plastics usually produce numbers of fish on most occasions. Glad to see people catch fish on the Ned Rig and while I have no doubt it catches fish very well I see nothing innovative about it . Lol, The original split shot rig we used with a smelled #2hook threaded through a black plastic worm in 1970's has been redirected often but no new rig name yet. Lol No new name because nobody throws or promotes the split shot rig anymore. If you wrote a few articles on it for your local newspaper, then did a few more for In-Fisherman, Bassmaster, or some other national mag, maybe even post a YouTube video or two, we might have a new rig - the "Big Bill" Rig. Just think about all those striped bass anglers who threw a fit when someone "invented" the Alabama Rig - LOL. Seriously though, there is nothing new or innovative about the technique (Ned Rig). Ned would be the first to tell you this, I imagine, and anyone who says otherwise is new to the game (IMHO). Unfortunately, so many people have jumped on this bandwagon that the original concept and specifics have been lost to the masses, and the marketing. If anybody took the time to do a little digging, they'd find the truth, and everything would then be clear. -T9 2 Quote
Primus Posted May 26, 2015 Posted May 26, 2015 Good post Team9Nine, the hype machine is getting out of hand as if this were the new Senko . Put almost any small soft plastic on a light jighead and bingo you can catch numbers of fish . Quote
CeeJay Posted May 26, 2015 Posted May 26, 2015 There is nothing new under the sun. Before I started researching this "new" Ned Rig recently I thought maybe it was something truly innovative...but it's not. Here's a personal example of something remotely similar but nothing to do with the N-Rig: I once thought that fishing with "bobbers" that were shaped like small sticks and weighted with shot so that only the tiny red tip is above water was innovative, nearly tried to sell my homemade bobbers as the "CeeJay Fun Float" (kidding about that last part )...but it turned out that anglers in Europe had been using these sensitive floats for decades before I was born. (I do still make them though, out of balsa or quill, as it's impossible to miss a strike on waggler floats compared to round bobbers) Nothing new under the sun. Quote
Global Moderator Bluebasser86 Posted May 27, 2015 Global Moderator Posted May 27, 2015 You guys are all right, it's nothing new, nothing to be excited about. Move along, nothing to see here, don't even bother trying it, it only catches small fish anyways. It's not just a bait, it's the whole style of fishing it that is different. I'd be really happy if everyone did just ignore it and move onto the next big thing. 4 Quote
Super User Team9nine Posted May 27, 2015 Super User Posted May 27, 2015 It's not just a bait, it's the whole style of fishing it that is different. Bingo! This is what most everyone who wants to jump on the bait's bandwagon is missing. Not just a bait - a system; an approach; a mindset. -T9 Quote
Super User everythingthatswims Posted May 27, 2015 Super User Posted May 27, 2015 I didn't understand how the ned rig was anything different at first. Then I learned that the Elaz tech baits float after the salt dissolves, and also become very life like and quiver constantly (not to mention the fact that they are indestructible). Putting half of a senko will catch some fish but if you want to see the effectiveness of the bed rig you need to use the z man baits. The way the bait falls is the reason it is so deadly. This bait is far from the tried and true smoke curly tail grub on a jighead. It is definitely unique. Winkiedoodles on YouTube is my source for ned rig info Quote
Super User bigbill Posted May 28, 2015 Super User Posted May 28, 2015 But the split shot worm rig has probably caught more bass than all the other rigs. It's the 30-30 of the fishing world still popular. For me it's one of my old faithfuls. I was fishing a popular lake from shore a large man made lake with running current(dammed river). I tossed a split shot rig and thought I hit a log. The next cast a 3 1/2lb bass was landed. It was quick action. The black rubber 6" creme worm has stood the test of time for decades since the last century. Each bait or style of fishing we master is a plus in our success on a tough day. We need more skills in our arsenal to stay on the top of our game. The NED RIG ill make some up. Quote
Primus Posted May 28, 2015 Posted May 28, 2015 Bingo! This is what most everyone who wants to jump on the bait's bandwagon is missing. Not just a bait - a system; an approach; a mindset. -T9 I caught 20 fish in an hour the other day on a 3" Senko with a 1/16 oz jighead , not the first time I've done that . Maybe the Ned rig floats more but the small Senko rigged the way I fish it falls with a nice death spiral . The Senko cast very far for a small bait because of the heavy salt content . I am not disputing the effectiveness of the Ned rig but I am confident that I can produce similar results with other finesse plastics . Again, I find nothing new about the approach as well . That said I can see that it has it's believers and they are catching fish with it so I 'm glad for them . This will be my last post on the subject but let's just say we will have to agree to disagree regarding this being some innovative approach to fishing . Quote
Preytorien Posted May 28, 2015 Posted May 28, 2015 I have yet to have a day where I threw a Ned and didn't get bit. Z-Man said they're coming out with a weedless ShroomZ head this summer. Can't wait to be able to throw it into cover without cringing. That's my hangup (no pun intended), I bank fish quite a bit and almost every body of water I fish is quite weedy, so until they're more weedless I'm holding off. I can just see myself getting hyper frustrated when every cast comes back with a bowl of salad and no fish. Quote
Super User Team9nine Posted May 28, 2015 Super User Posted May 28, 2015 Seriously though, there is nothing new or innovative about the technique (Ned Rig). Ned would be the first to tell you this, I imagine, and anyone who says otherwise is new to the game (IMHO). Unfortunately, so many people have jumped on this bandwagon that the original concept and specifics have been lost to the masses, and the marketing. If anybody took the time to do a little digging, they'd find the truth, and everything would then be clear. -T9 I caught 20 fish in an hour the other day on a 3" Senko with a 1/16 oz jighead , not the first time I've done that . Maybe the Ned rig floats more but the small Senko rigged the way I fish it falls with a nice death spiral . The Senko cast very far for a small bait because of the heavy salt content . I am not disputing the effectiveness of the Ned rig but I am confident that I can produce similar results with other finesse plastics . Again, I find nothing new about the approach as well . That said I can see that it has it's believers and they are catching fish with it so I 'm glad for them . This will be my last post on the subject but let's just say we will have to agree to disagree regarding this being some innovative approach to fishing . Not much to add other than you either aren't reading all my posts on the topic, or you are failing to understand the point I've been trying to make. See one of my quoted posts above where I state it is not new or innovative. I'm agreeing with you. The Ned Rig is simply a resurrection or reincarnation of the simple approach and basic finesse methods and baits developed by Chuck Wood and a few others in the 1950s and 1960s in this country's heartland. It is more than a bait - it is an approach or style of fishing (Midwest Finesse) that simply takes advantage of some newer bait technology (for frugality and efficiency) along with Ned's added "101 bass" philosophy. Everybody keeps missing this point because they fail to research the history behind it. Instead, they all just want to focus on the "new", "hot" bait. -T9 Quote
Super User webertime Posted May 28, 2015 Super User Posted May 28, 2015 I guess I don't really get it. A Fat Ika with (or without a nail weight in the nose) fishes basically the same way and is way more snag resistant. The baits nose down the same, wriggle the same and catch the same numbers (that I have experienced). Ika snags less, TRD a little more durable (mend it with Ikas). Cost per unit is a bit cheaper for the Ikas. Quote
kLuo Posted May 28, 2015 Posted May 28, 2015 I guess I don't really get it. A Fat Ika with (or without a nail weight in the nose) fishes basically the same way and is way more snag resistant. The baits nose down the same, wriggle the same and catch the same numbers (that I have experienced). Ika snags less, TRD a little more durable (mend it with Ikas). Cost per unit is a bit cheaper for the Ikas. I wouldn't make this comparison since the baits are different enough. Using this logic, I could then say that Ikas are pretty much tubes...tubes imitate craws...craws go on jigs...so small finesse jigs should catch the same as TRDs? The IKA has tentacles and has a significantly larger profile than the Ned rig. At the end of the day, I think we are all agreeing on the same thing. The Ned rig is just another finesse tactic that catches a lot of fish...BECAUSE IT IS A FINESSE TACTIC. For what it's worth, I fished alongside someone fishing the TRD with 1/16 oz jig head last weekend and I smoked him with a 4.5" drop shot worm. Catch rate was 3:1 in favor of my drop shot. Quote
Super User Senko lover Posted May 29, 2015 Super User Posted May 29, 2015 Alright that's it time to listen to the bait monkey and common sense and try this out. I know, I have to. Never heard so much positive feedback concerning a bait. Seems like every single person who tries it becomes a huge fan. Quote
hoosierbass07 Posted May 29, 2015 Posted May 29, 2015 Oh Ned Rig, How do I love thee? Let me count the ways. lol. The Ned Rig has sort of replaced my Robo worms as my last resort thing to throw. If my regular stick baits and worms don't get any bites I would try a Robo worm. I figured if a bass does not bite a Robo worm then they are not biting. Now I tie on a little Ned Rig instead of the Robo worm. The Ned Rig when used with a one of those Z-Man lures cut in half almost looks alive in the water. After making a few casts it becomes sort of slimy and looks alive, sort of like tubes do. I think the Ned Rig and tubes might share some characteristics. The Ned Rig is the tubes little brother. Quote
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