Advanced Senko Fishing

[Penguino]

He meant wacky rigging with an EWG hook.

 

 

Indeed.

Shoot my fault. I have never heard of wacky rigging a senko with a EWG hook. How exactly would that work?

[DocNsanE]

I can't see a EWG coming through weeds very well.

As I said earlier, my Octopus hook gets hung up in weeds all the time, but for me it's actually helped. If you're moving your rod tip slowly, when you feel it snag, you can just release some tension and let it flutter back and you're fine.

[Crutch]

I am actually finding the discussion interesting. I may actually try using a weightless senko in deep water and see what it produces next time.

[Rez]

Some of this stuff is pretty advanced. Almost earth shattering.

He's a kid, cut him some slack!

[jbsoonerfan]

He's a kid, cut him some slack!

I'm cutting him plenty of slack. But when someone who has been doing something for a year in ponds is going to try and act like they are rewriting the books, then I want it to be something I have never heard of.

[southernson1989]

Wasn't it bill dance who won a tournament from the bank with a plastic worm when he was young. Don't knock the pond fisherman. The guy who shows up with his 20lb tacklebox and six rods at the local pond when his boat is in the shop and needs his bass fix is always outfished by the teenager with one or two rods and a zip lock of lures in his back pack. While my teen years have started becoming distant memories I still try most of my lures out at ponds first in the local park. Park ponds are some of the most heavily fished waters and a breeding ground for innovation. As for wacky rigging in general me and my dad just thought it was a different way to hook a trick worm a long time before we had a computer to read all the latest techniques. I'm sure we didnt do it first but we were the first on our lake and it was pretty much the product of some guys who had thrown every bait they had with no results and tried something else on a whim. We never heard of anyone else doing it before and thought it would be something the fish hadn't seen. We tore em up. Sometimes a couple inches one way or the other is all it takes. Keep doing what your doing senko lover.

[SirSnookalot]

It's apparent this young man is a senko lover.  Even though I don't fish senkos I appreciate his effort in trying to pass on information.  If but one person has learned something, the thread has served it's purpose.

[massrob]

I learned something and I appreciate this kid trying to help people that just started fishing like me. Probably not what guys that have been fishing for 30 years want to read but I do. I hope that people giving him crap about it doesn't stop him from posting.

[Senko lover]

It's apparent this young man is a senko lover.  Even though I don't fish senkos I appreciate his effort in trying to pass on information.  If but one person has learned something, the thread has served it's purpose.

 

Thanks SirSnookalot.

 

You know, I just got into bass fishing about a year ago. I read and watched as much as I could, took what I learned out on the water, and I feel like my skill level has improved over the year. That said, I am by no means an expert.

This thread was intended to help people like me who  have started to fish senkos a lot to up their game. I'm not trying to rock the fishing world with some tricks that no one's seen before. I'm trying to create a fresh thread that helps people like me who haven't seen it all with some info that hasn't been said much on here before. I know, because I've looked through a lot of senko threads. Obviously people have talked about a quiet presentation and such before but some of what I posted hasn't been brought out on BR much, at least in the past year, if not the past fishing history.

Shutting up about a topic because it's been discussed a lot before doesn't help answer the new people's questions. I really care about helping newer people learn how to fish better. That's one of my passions. It's why I've written several articles on the main section of BR. My series on setting up a baitcaster is the same way. Obviously if you've been fishing for twenty years with a baitcaster, you're not going to gain anything from my series. If you've been fishing a senko for 30 or 40 years, this thread is not news to you.  If you're more experienced and have seen it all, this thread really wasn't intended for you. 

Hope this clarifies my intention.

I'm trying not to make this a battleground. I've seen plenty of people lose their tempers over the course of my time on here. I'm not going to be one of them. Please try to help advance the discussion. If you don't think this thread is anything special, no one's requiring you to read + post on it.

[Senko lover]

Alright. About the whole quiet presentation thing. You guys have helped me see that in a different light, or at least clarify what I said.

 

I did put this before it:  "especially when you're fishing it in shallow water." The ponds where I throw senkos are shallow and pressured. So what I said is something I've found to be very true for me.

However, the fish might not be the same for you. I'm gonna have to mix it up and experiment with skipping. J. Franco's post intrigued me. But I have found that a quiet presentation will trump a noisy one every time for me.

[Senko lover]

I'm cutting him plenty of slack. But when someone who has been doing something for a year in ponds is going to try and act like they are rewriting the books, then I want it to be something I have never heard of.

 

Don't let anybody tell you that catching fish in a pond is as easy as catching fish from a barrel. My favorite pond is a small neighborhood body of water that recieves a ton of pressure. When you have a pond that small, and everybody fishes it, it's tough to catch fish sometimes. What if the fish in that barrel don't want to bite? Kinda hard to catch them.

Through a friend there at the pond who has figured them out, I have learned a lot about the fish in that pond and can usually catch them every time out. Senkos and some of the tricks I talked about helped me do that.

[Catt]

Senko Lover, I enjoy your enthusiasm for bass fishing and your love of the Senko

Fishing plastics is about rate of fall, different size Senkos & different brands of stick baits all have different rates of fall.

Different sizes & styles of hooks can change rate if fall

A weightless T-rigged Senko has a different action on the fall than a Wacky one.

Ya think a Wacky Senko is all that try a Trick Worm, Tapout Worm, Robo Worm, or any straight tail worm.

At 14 you've only gotten through the first layer of the onion!

[danno054]

I think you need to change you name from Senko Lover to Senko'holic

I learned something from this thread! Looking at the Bassmaster senko de mayo I had never thought about using one as a jig trailer. Has anyone had success doing this? Or as a traitor for spinnerbait?

[gardnerjigman]

Senko Lover, I enjoy your enthusiasm for bass fishing and your love of the Senko

At 14 you've only gotten through the first layer of the onion!

 

Shoot... he is probably just taking the onion out of the bag! BUT, it's that enthusiasm and willingness/hunger to learn and grow in the sport that will keep him successful. 

 

Good post, nothing new, but it inspired good conversation and put it in front of eyes that may not have any info on senkos. 

 

FYI, you've gotta start skip casting things! 

[jbsoonerfan]

Sometimes it takes new people to come up with new ideas.

There is not going to be a "new" way to fish a senko that hasn't already been done. Even some of the "new" techniques aren't new.

[J Francho]

New, old…not a darn person will know about them if no one posts about it.

Seriously guys, what is it that you think these forums are for, keeping secrets because you already know it all?

Either help a guy out and contribute, or move on if your above the thread content. Remember, for every person that posts, there are untold numbers that do not.

[Big C]

I'm cutting him plenty of slack. But when someone who has been doing something for a year in ponds is going to try and act like they are rewriting the books, then I want it to be something I have never heard of.

 

1. It takes new people to come up with new ideas. 

 

2. If you think fishing a highly pressured pond is easier than fishing a full-sized bass fishing lake your'e wrong.

    If you were right and pond fishing was easier to fish there would be no need for bass boats.

 

    Let's put it this way which hypethetical body of water would you rather fish pond A or lake B?

 

Pond A. This pond is 5-15 acres in size (which in some cases may be generous).  It's biggest fish may only be 3-4 lbs.  It is hammered all day by bucket fishermen and guys throwing t-rigs.  And there are only 3 real places with cover they are; a couple laydowns, one good point, and a cove with lilypads, these areas are obvious and magnets for fishermen and get hit hard all day.  The fish in this pond probably see a lure a day. 

 

Lake B. This lake is easily 5-10  times bigger than the pond.  The biggest fish in the lake may break the state record it has infinite amounts of cover, thousands of points, docks, ect.  This lake has a full parking lot, but once you're on the water you barely see anybody.  The fish in the lake may only see a lure every other week (if that). 

 

I don't know about you, but I'm fishing the lake. 

[MIbassyaker]

"New" is relative, and it doesn't mean the same thing as "advanced" anyway.

 

At the bait shop I go to most often, it still happens pretty frequently that while I'm in there, I'll see one of the clerks (or someone else) showing a package of senko-style baits to someone who's never used them, explaining how a basic wacky rig works. Nothing "advanced" about that particular advice, but it's still new to someone.

[primetime]

You need to google the Stupid rig, Idiot Rig or some call it the Roller Rig...All about a loud spash down in shallow water after rain is best, under bridges, and a larger worm is best imo, 6-7" weightless, lob it up, get a good splash to get attention, then work the worm like a zara spook but make sure it breaks the surface a few times like if skipping a bait to give the impression the bait is being chased. I like to work it fast and kill it every 10 feet, only use this technique for 5 minutes tops, when it works it is amazing, when it doesn't.....well, you look stupid.

 

Their is a story behind this theory, Bass after long rains are not used stained water, eyes have not adjusted, the sound makes them curious, competitive instinct, big bait = easy meal, but often muddy water Bass either stay on weedlines to feel safe, or they go shallow where over hanging trees are, and lizards, snakes, insects, frogs all fall out of the trees, and I first witnessed this years ago but didn't understand why the guy was using a Carolina rig with 1 ounce and a large Fluke style bait in 3-4' of water, hard bottom featureless, meanwhile tall grass line was a good 8-10' away...He won the tournament, and he told me he didn't want to spook the fish he knew were in the grass, he knew the lake, said the bass are curious by nature, and on that flat they often heard big threadfin shad against the grass on windy days and the wind was blowing on that shoreline and grass line that day. He cleaned up, and the Stupid rig story is from a story that happened on a major tournament years ago, I stole this concept or technique, I altered it with a Senko after seeing how good the MJ rig was with a larger worm when fished stupid fast and by accident it broke water one day as I was reeling it in and it was smashed.....We ended up landing a dozen fish the first time we burned senko's on the surface and they choked it while moving or right after killing it after it skipped the surface, beads or rattles help....UV GEL as well, when it works it works...No joke, it is a funny story how the rig first got the name....I would have been the guy who was talking about the idiot ruining my spot by spooking fish only to see him win by a large margin...Now I always listen to any tip anyone gives me and try it not only when I am not catching anything, most people try techniques or new lures only when nothing is working not even live bait and then say it is no good. Kind of like the review "Best lure ever, 6lber first cast"...Personally, I hate first cast fish, it is a jinx imo.

[Big C]

There is not going to be a "new" way to fish a senko that hasn't already been done. Even some of the "new" techniques aren't new.

 

What?  All due respect.  You can't say that there will never be another "new" way to fish a Senko, if it's not been tried yet.  That doesn't make sense.

I don't even like them, but there will always be fresh ideas even if it seems everything has been tried. 

[primetime]

I thought you made good points in your thread...Loook at all the responses you received..I would say you made some good points, and was well written, If people never experiment and share there results then fishing never makes the next leap forward....For every idea you think is good, someone else who is also a good angler will always disagree with you, that is what makes fishihg so good, you never know when and where and often I learn more from a person I take fishing for his first time than I do from someone who is reading the same magazines I am...Not having any expectations except catching fish makes new fisherman successful many times no matter what you give them, even a pink worm and blue hook.

[jbsoonerfan]

Oh, there is no telling what has been tried. I dont think there is going to be anything new.

[primetime]

The MJ rig on the Timmy Horton show a couple years ago was fresh and new.....No?

[Catt]

The MJ rig on the Timmy Horton show a couple years ago was fresh and new.....No?

No!

[hatrix]

I never looked at this because frankly I despise senkos. That is just me though. But man... Some of you guys are being D bags to him and your plenty old enough to know better. Would you get on some random teenagers crap you never meet and don't really know in real life like this? I doubt it and if so your a terrible individual I get it that nothing was earth shattering and totally blew your socks off but you don't have to be so negative. Some people just want to belittle everything on here and doesn't help anyone. Even the fact that he fishes some ponds. Soooo many people on here fish ponds and also lakes. They are not less of a fisherman when they decided to walk a bank that day then when they are out on the water. He has fished fora year and everyone start out fishing ponds. You have to get it in where you can plain and simple. For all you know the places he fishes could be hard as $h!t to catch fish. If over his time fishing senkos he decide he had something to contribute then let him and let it be. Just like Franco said there is so many people who read stuff on here but NEVER post anything and I am sure something in here hold value for some people an that's all that matters.