The Big Fight

[blackmax135]

I haven't been following boxing for about 20 years, not partial to either of the combatants.  I've seen fights closed circuit, sat in the stadium stands, ring side seats and on the apron for championship fights held in Detroit.   $90 IMO is not expensive to view the fight in the comfort of your home, actually you'll see the fight better, but nothing like the excitement of being there.  I can still remember Tommy Hearns taking the title from Pipino Cuevas, the electricity when a hometown guy wins the title in his home stadium was awesome. 

True!!

[blackmax135]

I just looked up tickets for floor seats and holy crap the most expensive is $87,755.25.  That's uncalled for in my opinion.  That's more than my house.

[SirSnookalot]

Yeh 87k is a ton of money, but the market will probably bear it.  That 87k is most likely more affordable to the people in attendance than 90 bucks is to many middle class families.

[Chris at Tech]

I'm a sports fan but not a boxing fan, but events like this are a prime example of just how disconnected sports is with the rest of the real world.  $100+ million for each of the two participants of ONE fight?  Seriously?  It's remarkable to me.

[F14A-B]

Yeh 87k is a ton of money, but the market will probably bear it. That 87k is most likely more affordable to the people in attendance than 90 bucks is to many middle class families.

Exactly, people can afford it ( some ) they may also own leer jets.. Maybe a island somewhere. Price is a relative term ( Personal wealth )

[A-Jay]

They look like two Toddlers at the weight in -

 

 The announcer had 100 pounds on them - maybe even together.

 

This fight does nothing for me.

 

 It Jumped the Shark years ago ~ just like that saying has.

 

A-Jay

[SirSnookalot]

Fight weight is usually a lot less than normal walking around weight.

 

Last night I watched the rise and fall of Mike Tyson, very interesting.  For street thug he was pretty intelligent, articulate for an uneducated man and quite emotional.  His demise was the deaths of Cus D'amaoto & Jimmy Jacobs (I did not how great an athlete Jacobs was, mainly handball), then signing with Don King, another thug.  Tyson's animal instinct prevailed in the end, I do believe he could have been the greatest heavy weight ever.

[deaknh03]

 

2 men in their primes actually boxing. This is a boxing match.

[F14A-B]

Tyson was a street fighter.. A massive structure of bone & muscle. I really don't ever think of him as a boxer, just massive power punching. Maybe he could have been a boxer, but I would agree King had different ideals ($)

[Redlinerobert]

lackluster and boring.  I can't believe we waited 6 years for that. 

[F14A-B]

I read about it on the web.. Glad I watched the final countdown movie, lol... It was just a big ole payday for both fighters!

[Matthew2000]

Mayweather tactics: run until he gets me in a corner then hug him.

[retiredbosn]

I think that most fights that goes to the cards, should be declared a draw. These matches are rarely entertaining, and few are brawls where both men give it their all. I watch fights to see a knock out or a tko. Its why I don't like the UFC, if I wanted to watch wrestling (real wrestling) I would. Just aggrevates me when they go to the mat. Its the same reason I couldn't watch Sugar Ray Leonard, all he did was run around the ring last thirty seconds of each round he would hit his opponent. Always tried to win off of points, drives me nuts.

[retiredbosn]

2 men in their primes actually boxing. This is a boxing match.

Now that's a fight.

[blackmax135]

I think that most fights that goes to the cards, should be declared a draw. These matches are rarely entertaining, and few are brawls where both men give it their all. I watch fights to see a knock out or a tko. Its why I don't like the UFC, if I wanted to watch wrestling (real wrestling) I would. Just aggrevates me when they go to the mat. Its the same reason I couldn't watch Sugar Ray Leonard, all he did was run around the ring last thirty seconds of each round he would hit his opponent. Always tried to win off of points, drives me nuts.

I completely agree!!!! What's the point of calling it a fight and paying someone millions of dollars if they aren't going to fight.  I used to watch the UFC and I quit for the same reason you did. They just run around and gather points by throwing small accurate punches.  That's why mayweather is undefeated.  He can throw those big punches, witch he has in the past but he only does it when its easy for him.  That's why he is on top like he is because he does what it takes to win.  Manny is the complete opposite, he wants to beat that person down.  Glad I didn't waist my money to endorse such a simple fight.

[preach4bass]

The point of a boxing match is to win. "Money" knows how to do that. If you want to see a brawl, watch YouTube. If you want to see a great boxer,Mayweather is your man. His style isn't always exciting, but it's effective. I enjoyed it. Now, of course I would have loved to see a KO, but by the tenth round, when we knew Manny would have to knock him out to win (and Floyd's defense was too good let that happen), Floyd wouldn't have chanced a knockout blow if Manny put his hands behind his back and stuck his chin out. Floyd boxes to win, and he's smart enough to know how to get the job done. Great fight by the greatest boxer of his generation.

[retiredbosn]

I understand "The Sweet Science" of pugalism, I just find boxers/fighters much more entertaining than pugalists. Think of the greats Foreman, Hagler, Ali, Tyson before the disgrace, Linston, Boom Boom Mancini, Frazier et.al. These guys all were fighters not pugalists who stole the rounds by avoiding contact throughout most of the round and in the closing seconds score a few technical points. If that's your thing fine, they have the Olympics for that style. Prize fighting where there is millions on the line, all the hype and trash talk is a spectacle. People are expecting a show, to be entertained, not a demonstration in pugalism; there is a difference IMO.

[preach4bass]

I agree that the greats you mention were exciting (the ones I got to see), but I appreciate Floyd's style too. He wins fights and makes a lot of money in the process. He probably wouldn't have been so successful if he embraced another style.

[retiredbosn]

He probably wouldn't have been so successful if he embraced another style.

True, I think he fights allot like Sugar Ray did, by most accounts he is one of the greats.

[SirSnookalot]

I understand "The Sweet Science" of pugalism, I just find boxers/fighters much more entertaining than pugalists. Think of the greats Foreman, Hagler, Ali, Tyson before the disgrace, Linston, Boom Boom Mancini, Frazier et.al. These guys all were fighters not pugalists who stole the rounds by avoiding contact throughout most of the round and in the closing seconds score a few technical points. If that's your thing fine, they have the Olympics for that style. Prize fighting where there is millions on the line, all the hype and trash talk is a spectacle. People are expecting a show, to be entertained, not a demonstration in pugalism; there is a difference IMO.

Foreman gets knocked out by an aging Ali.  No longer with speed tires out Foreman with the rope a dope, showed how to win using his head, had one of the greatest chins.  One of the very few greats that could completely change a fighting style during the fight.

 

A young Ali beats a banger Liston, twice. 

 

A good case can be made for the punchers too, people have forgot Marciano, undefeated Champ with perhaps the highest KO ratio, pretty small guy at about 190#.

 

Some of the most entertaining fights I can think of come from the group of Hearns, Leonard, Hagler, and Duran. Leonard's fight with Hearns was a real classic how to lose the first 11 rounds, then win by a TKO in the 14 th.

 

Professional boxing is about 1 thing, winning.  

[SirSnookalot]

Fight weight is usually a lot less than normal walking around weight.

 

Last night I watched the rise and fall of Mike Tyson, very interesting.  For street thug he was pretty intelligent, articulate for an uneducated man and quite emotional.  His demise was the deaths of Cus D'amaoto & Jimmy Jacobs (I did not how great an athlete Jacobs was, mainly handball), then signing with Don King, another thug.  Tyson's animal instinct prevailed in the end, I do believe he could have been the greatest heavy weight ever.

Not uncommon for a welterweight to add 5# from weigh in to fight time.  Some boxers have to work to sweat weight off to make the weight limit, they put weight on after the weigh in.  I had a buddy, Mickey Goodwin from the Kronk gym middleweight at 160#, between fights he was a good 180#.  During the same time period I knew Hilmer Kinty, he never had to lose more than a couple for pounds for a fight, first Kronk world champ under Emanuel Steward. 

[dave]

Tyson was a street fighter.. A massive structure of bone & muscle. I really don't ever think of him as a boxer, just massive power punching. Maybe he could have been a boxer, but I would agree King had different ideals ($)

Kevin Rooney (his trainer under Jim Jacobs) was training him to be a boxer.  Don King and his clowns were his ultimate downfall in the end.  I agree with snook.  Tyson the skilled boxer,  combined with his natural power, would have been untouchable.

[dave]

 

2 men in their primes actually boxing. This is a boxing match.

I think maybe the Leonard, Hearns, Hagler, Duran era, may have been the best in boxing ever...

[Redlinerobert]

^ Agreed.  The golden years of boxing are gone unfortunately.  This MMA stuff I simply can't get into.  It's the younger generations' sport. 

[deaknh03]

I think maybe the Leonard, Hearns, Hagler, Duran era, may have been the best in boxing ever...

Plus watching the big fight on abc or hbo was a bonus.