Alpha Male Posted April 10, 2015 Posted April 10, 2015 a little advice via catt... drop the rod, reel the slack, set the hook im thinking your line was a bit slack when you attempted your hook set your friend should learn to try bigger line, he wouldnt have to cut off any other than an occasional retie perhaps and thats after many fish... youre just over-exaggerating stretch There wasnt any slack in the line. I was the one holding the rod. Why should he? Thats how he likes to fish. I have watched him reel in 5-6lb bass on 2lb magnathin. It was seaguar Invizx 12lb dont believe me try this: http://www.tackletour.com/reviewfluorocarbon2.html This is only fluorocarbon. notice that most stretch between 8-11% and invizx at 13% So approximately 30 yard cast my estimate of 12ft stretch...sounds about right. You do not have to believe me. I caught that fish late august last year. after that I decided to try a different fluoro line for T-rigs. that is when I found this and decided on P-line. I can tell you that stretch matters. it has proven itself to beyond a shadow of a doubt with the example I have already stated and when I first started using braid I "missed" a couple of fish. more likely I ripped the the hook right through their lips. As I said above; to each their own. but dont think that I dont take stretch into consideration when I switch between braid and mono/fluoro. Quote
Super User FryDog62 Posted April 15, 2015 Super User Posted April 15, 2015 I'll again post my own independent stretch test I conducted recently. After years of anecdotal opinions about what stretches more or less, I decided to test my own lines and see what the actual results were. I truly think that no line is marketed harder for being less stretch than fluorocarbon. Yet, these results seem to suggest at a minimum, that may not always be the case: I used a 12 foot piece of each line and hung an 8 pound weight to see how much each line stretched in inches. Below are the results - least stretch to most stretch. All Lines Tested Trilene XT (Mono) 21-1/4 inches of stretch Yo-Zuri Hybrid (Co-polymer) 22-1/8 Sufix Seige (Mono) 22-5/8 P-Line CX Premium (Co-polymer) 23-1/2 Maxima Treazure (Co-polymer) 24-1/2 Trilene XL (Mono) 24-3/4 Tectan Superior (Mono) 25-7/8 Berkley Sensation (Mono) 26-1/8 Sunline Sniper (Fluorocarbon) 26-1/2 Gamma Touch (Fluorocarbon) 29-1/4 Original Blue Stren (Mono) 29-3/4 Gamma Edge (Fluorocarbon) 31-0** Bass Pro XPS (Fluorocarbon) 31-3/4* Stren 100% (Fluorocast) 31-3/4* Seaguar Tatsu (Fluorocarbon) 32-3/4 P-Line 100% (Fluorocarbon) 33-0* Seaguar Invizx (Fluorocarbon) 36-0** Berkley 100% (Fluorocarbon) 38-3/8 * Line snapped once and was re-tested ** Line snapped twice - length estimated Broken Down By Line Type 3 Co-polymer lines average stretch: 23.4 inches 6 Monofilament lines average stretch: 25.1 inches 9 fluorocarbon lines average stretch: 32.2 inches Line Diameter Line diameter can have an effect on stretch, but 9 of these lines all had the same diameter (.009 inches). Those lines are broken out below. The overall results are similar for the 3 different line types. P-Line CX Premium (Co-polymer) 23-1/2 Maxima Treazure (Co-polymer) 24-1/2 Tectan Superior (Mono) 25-7/8 Berkley Sensation (Mono) 26-1/8 Sunline Sniper (Fluorocarbon) 26-1/2 Gamma Touch (Fluorocarbon) 29-1/4 Bass Pro XPS (Fluorocarbon) 31-3/4* Seaguar Tatsu (Fluorocarbon) 32-3/4 Seaguar Invizx (Fluorocarbon) 36-0** Overall observations Newer Co-polymer lines being marketed specifically as “low stretch” for the most part seem to be accurate. Fluorocarbon tends to be the line with most stretch. Monofilament tends to be somewhere in the middle, although those with a thicker diameter (i.e. Trilene XT .011 and Sufix Seige .010) did stretch less. Line diameter may have an effect on the stretch of certain lines, but overall, lines of the same diameter seem to reflect that Co-polymer and Monofilament lines still stretch less than Fluorocarbon. Fluorocarbon lines tend to break easier when stretched to their maximum breaking strength. These were dry line tests and there is an argument that mono absorbs water over time and that may cause those lines to stretch more. That may or may not be true. My recommendation for those that want a low stretch line that doesn't absorb water is to try Yo-Zuri Hybrid. I'm not sponsored by them, but I have spooled them up on a majority of my lines for the coming season. -Fry 1 Quote
Super User QUAKEnSHAKE Posted April 15, 2015 Super User Posted April 15, 2015 The stretch of mono/fluoro is extremely noticeable and not just on hookset. Dragging a jig or IKA along the bottom needs much more effort to bring back through weeds. Its like pull /stretch pull/stretch bait moves a bit finally. This gets irritating after a while having been accustomed to the more efficient use of braid. Even with trokar or owner hooks getting decent hookset past 50' in 20+ fow is hindered quite a bit with stretchy lines. Quote
Ozark_Basser Posted April 15, 2015 Posted April 15, 2015 Stretch definitely plays a big role in a hookset, landing fish, and working baits. Of course someone can get by with just mono, but it's all about having an edge. However small that edge is doesn't matter. It's still an advantage. Mono has loads of stretch in comparison to braid. Fluoro stretches as well, but it doesn't have the elasticity of mono. It doesn't retain its original shape when stretched. All the lines have an application that could given someone an advantage over the fish. If you just love using mono for the sake of not having to spend money on other types of line, good for you, but you're still missing out sometimes. Guaranteed. Quote
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