Techniques Already In Use When "invented"?

[Josh Smith]

Hello,

 

The other day I was reading a reference to drop shotting, and how it had been brought to America after originating in Japan sometime around 1997 or 1998, I think.

 

 

In the late '80s and early '90s, I was playing with different ways of rigging plastic worms, and one was a T-rigged worm with a bullet weight tied onto the long tag end of a clinch knot.

 

I also recall reading a magazine article around this time that used this method, but used a split shot weight instead of a bullet weight on the tag end.  I recall thinking that it was cool seeing a technique I'd come up with independently.  It was a small boost to a young fisherman's ego.

 

Anyone else have similar experiences with rigs or techniques?  "New" ones you've used for years, or something?

 

Josh

 

 

 

[WRB]

The drop shot rig has been around for a hundred years or more. What you may be referring to is a finesse drop shot rig first called stacking and introduced by Japanese anglers out west in the mid 80's. The early dropper loop rig had a hook on a short 2" loop tied into the line above a weight and a common salt water rig.

Stacking or down shot rigs used 1 or more octopus hooks tied directly onto 6 to 8 lb mono with a break away swivel ball weight at the bottom and fished vertically, came from Japan

If you are curious about tackle get a good antique lure book, very few lures have been introduced that didn't already exist before the 1930's! Lot of improvements, the original concepts date way back.

Tom

[Catt]

Dude dropshoting has been used in saltwater far as long as I can remember...I'm 63!

[Josh Smith]

And here I was just trying to improve feel on a Zebco 33 and fiberglass rod!

 

From an article I was reading:

 

BASS Signature Series: Kotaro Kiriyama on Drop Shotting

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History: Kiriyama says that drop shotting first came to the west coast of the U.S. from Japan about 15 years ago. It was created on Japan's heavily pressure lakes where bass are over-fished. He believes drop shotting is best suited to tough conditions or when a subtle presentation is required to tempt wary bass.

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http://www.bassmaster.com/tips/kiriyama-drop-shotting

 

This is one of several articles to make this claim.

 

I found it surprising is all.

 

Regards,

 

Josh

[gulfcaptain]

I still use a dropper loop when I fish a floating worm on a small hook with I dropshot as I feel it gives it more action. Was using a dropper loop to with a Porko longer then 15yrs ago to catch calico's and sandbass off of S.Cal.

[Cgolf]

I have one I started to use last year with some success. A shakey head or slider head with a walleye spin in front with a bobber stop to keep the spinner from sliding up to far. Right now it is the Dorn rig, but I am sure others have tried it.

As I write this didn't creme have a pre tied rig with a top water style blade? That would have been well before my time though.

[scaleface]

I started Carolina rigging plastic lizards two years before they became popular on the tournament trail. I was even using the brown with chartreuse tails that became all the rage.

[Catt]

Drop Shotting as it relates to bass fishing!

The Carolina Rig & Alabama Rig came to us via the salt water world.

[Bankbeater]

We use to use drop shot rigs, and c-rigs for catfishing years ago.  We threw them out and just let the bait sit. Of course we used heavier weights and bigger hooks.

[scaleface]

Im not claiming to have invented the carolina rig . LOL.  Forget the pros name but he won a Classic on a Carolina rig with a worm and prerigged hooks. Manns use to sell a "Do  Nothing" worm   with two hooks in it. We stuck straight pins through them to act as weed guards . After experimenting  with those baits I just didnt like them  .   I started using traditional worms especially lizards with the hook buried like a Texas rig. Later it became popular on the bass tour. The non boaters were using it to win and the pros picked it up from them. I  use carolina rigs for catfish , using a floating jig head tipped with a small shad and work it through fish that are found  with a depth finder but thats for a different forum.

 

I bet most of us on this forum have tricks that work that the rest of the fishing world hasnt picked up yet. All it takes is a tourney win to let the cat out of the bag .

[scaleface]

I have one I started to use last year with some success. A shakey head or slider head with a walleye spin in front with a bobber stop to keep the spinner from sliding up to far. Right now it is the Dorn rig, but I am sure others have tried it.

As I write this didn't creme have a pre tied rig with a top water style blade? That would have been well before my time though.

Yes , creme made pre rigged worms with a propeller spinner in front. I can only remember red ones. I bought them at a neighborhood grocery store with money I got from bottle deposits .It was the only lure they sold LOL . I used  them for bank fishing in ponds .

 

Your rigs look good . 

[WRB]

I have one I started to use last year with some success. A shakey head or slider head with a walleye spin in front with a bobber stop to keep the spinner from sliding up to far. Right now it is the Dorn rig, but I am sure others have tried it.

As I write this didn't creme have a pre tied rig with a top water style blade? That would have been well before my time though.

Looks a lot like a Snagless salley rig.

Tom

[RanndomUndead]

My super secret method hasnt gone mainstream yet...

Couldnt tell ya why, but i get a lot of mid day bites or strikes on crankbaits when the line and a hook get wrapped up and it does the topwater swirl retrieve

[A-Jay]

A Texas rigged plastic with a shirt included has been a good bait for me for a while now.

 

I Know others have also been doing it for several years. 

 

A few years a go "Punching" rigs and more recently "The Slither Rig" gained popularity.

 

They're not really New.

 

A-Jay

 

 

[scaleface]

A Texas rigged plastic with a shirt included has been a good bait for me for a while now.

 

I Know others have also been doing it for several years. 

 

A few years a go "Punching" rigs and more recently "The Slither Rig" gained popularity.

 

They're not really New.

 

A-Jay

 

I use to buy 1/2 ounce weights and take the blunt end to a grinding wheel  until it got to the size a skirt would fit over it. Started doing that in 1985 .

[scaleface]

Sometime in the 80's I carved a plastic worm out of a block of wood , made a plaster of paris mold , melted used worms and poured my own. These worms were not round but flat with a curl tail. They catch fish as well as any I have ever used. I need to pour some more . 

 

[SirSnookalot]

Dude dropshoting has been used in saltwater far as long as I can remember...I'm 63!

Yep...........chicken rig.

 

Butterfly jigging is a variation of vertical jigging which is older than the hills.  Most companies today make something very similar. it's one of the hottest techniques going on now.

[A-Jay]

Yep...........chicken rig.

 

Butterfly jigging is a variation of vertical jigging which is older than the hills.  Most companies today make something very similar. it's one of the hottest techniques going on now.

 

Some recent advances in electronics, Braided line & High Speed Reels have also aided in the Butterfly jigs popularity.

 

A-Jay

[J Francho]

Techniques, rigs, tackle, etc. gets borrowed, recombibulated and eventually evolved into a specific thing. Drop Shot and Carolina -Rig are two very good examples of live bait rigs that were adapted to presenting artificial baits. The Float 'n Fly is another good example. It's all born from basic problem solving. Each rig solves a common set of problems in bass fishing - probably similar to its forebearer.

[smalljaw67]

The Ned Rig, it is an old method that is now getting popular but as a river smallmouth angler I can honestly say we've been doing it for years. Our river is wide, shallow and rocky and large jigs and hooks don't play well trying to fish on the bottom and often the water is gin clear and the smallmouth will key on small prey. So we began using 1/32 and 1/16oz jig heads with size 2 and size 4 hooks to fish not only small baits but also larger ones. If you want to see a funny rig, a big one in my area is a Sweet Beaver, not the Smallie Beaver, fished on a 1/8oz jig head with a size 1 hook, most guys flip or pitch that bait with a 4/0 or 5/0 hook, in the river it would be snagged as soon as it hit. Anyway, you wouldn't thing that little hook in a Sweet Beaver would hook a fish but it does a great job just because the smallmouth never seem to pick that bait up by the tail, they pick up the smaller one by the tail but not the larger bait.

[Cgolf]

Also have another one I have tried some, but really need to give it some more effort becuase I think it will work.

A very modified float and bait rig. I would use a big slipfoat with no stopper, just free, and use a slider or shakey head with some plastic. The thought is to toss it in weed pockets or next to cover like reeds and work the bait vertically in place. Also would be easy to reel up and out of the weed pockets without snagging.

Didn't give it long and only caught a sizable crappie on it. Definitely a rig I should try more, but just haven't taken the time.

[bigbill]

Dude dropshoting has been used in saltwater far as long as I can remember...I'm 63!

I used it in the 60's salt water fishing for blackfish and flounder?

All of a sudden many decades later it's so called invented.

We used the split shot rig after my uncle and cousin read about it in field n stream in the early 70's.

Bait spreaders we used for flounder it held two baited hooks 10"/12" apart.

Cod and Pollak setup is two baited hooks in a vertical position above each other with a weight on the bottom of the rig. We let the weight hit the bottom then reel up a foot or so and wait for a bite. Again I did this 50 years ago.

Every so often these old school tactics get a renewed life?