chelboed Posted March 30, 2015 Posted March 30, 2015 good: spoons, lipless cranks bad: 1/4 oz spinnerbaits into the wind, especially with a trailer Red Eye Shad casts way better than RatL Trap. Mepps #4 casts way better than a traditional spinner bait. Quote
fishangdood Posted March 30, 2015 Posted March 30, 2015 Red Eye Shad casts way better than RatL Trap. Mepps #4 casts way better than a traditional spinner bait. Rocket Shad would be the perfect compromise of the two. Too bad they don't come with red eyes, but it can always be swapped out. 1 Quote
Super User SirSnookalot Posted March 30, 2015 Super User Posted March 30, 2015 Over complicate things much? I'm all about simplicity. I think I'd rather replace the word physics with joys. Keep calm and catch bass. Perhaps next we should talk about breathing patterns while we fish. I can literally see this thread turning into your written book. Amen to this. I not only read bass forums but other species forums as well, I do pick up a tid bit here and there. I rely on what I have learned on the water, nothing has taught me more than my experiences over the years. If I find the fish or the hot bite everything just nicely falls into place, if I don't I struggle like a lot of people do. I know from fishing the last 10 years my spots change constantly, not only day by day but hour by hour. The current changes, sometimes flows backwards against a sea wall (I change my tactics), how to fish certain wind conditions, water depth, etc, etc etc. You aren't going to learn this information on the web, you have to be there and learn on your own. 2 things I never confuse myself over, tying knots or the lure I'm going to use. I just know because I do this every single day. Quote
Super User Bankbeater Posted March 30, 2015 Super User Posted March 30, 2015 This reminds me too much of work. Quote
matuka Posted March 30, 2015 Posted March 30, 2015 Over complicate things much? I'm all about simplicity. I think I'd rather replace the word physics with joys. Keep calm and catch bass. Perhaps next we should talk about breathing patterns while we fish. I can literally see this thread turning into your written book.I'm also a big subscriber in the KISS principle while on the water. But when I can't fish, hacking these kind of ideas around is more satisfying than say, changing line, cleaning the bilge or swapping out hooks. Quote
Super User Felix77 Posted March 30, 2015 Super User Posted March 30, 2015 One word when it comes to the fishing aspect ... leverage. Just the right amount = putting the fish in the boat. Since everyone else is different the rod, reel, line lure combination will vary but if all equals out to you having the proper leverage on the the fish = You win. Boating ... way over my head. Just know that if you drive off ... please let me know so I don't end up in the drink. 2 Quote
Super User J Francho Posted March 30, 2015 Super User Posted March 30, 2015 Leverage is by far the most misunderstood topic. 1 Quote
Nice_Bass Posted March 30, 2015 Posted March 30, 2015 Now I am going to need a fulcrum on the boat and a couple pulleys to get the mechanical advantage of four. In doing this I will need to move my rod out so I need an 18 foot rod and with the 4 pulley system I will also need new gearing on the reel as I will need to take in 4 times the amount of line so just would need a reel to take in around 112 inches per turn to account for the Conservation of Energy in physics. When all said and done those pesky 4 pounder will now feel like 1 pounders. Anyhow, I like the topic, just really don't have any input here when all said and done. I do find fishing lines carry the most interesting things in regard to physics personally. 1 Quote
Super User K_Mac Posted March 30, 2015 Super User Posted March 30, 2015 Now I am going to need a fulcrum on the boat and a couple pulleys to get the mechanical advantage of four. In doing this I will need to move my rod out so I need an 18 foot rod and with the 4 pulley system I will also need new gearing on the reel as I will need to take in 4 times the amount of line so just would need a reel to take in around 112 inches per turn to account for the Conservation of Energy in physics. When all said and done those pesky 4 pounder will now feel like 1 pounders. Anyhow, I like the topic, just really don't have any input here when all said and done. I do find fishing lines carry the most interesting things in regard to physics personally. I like the way you think and expect 112 IPT reels to be available soon! I also think that from an applied physics view fishing lines may be the most interesting. The changes in materials and processing methods in lines, reels, and rods have certainly changed the sport for most of us. 1 Quote
Super User Felix77 Posted March 30, 2015 Super User Posted March 30, 2015 Leverage is by far the most misunderstood topic. Too many variables ... easy to misunderstand. Maybe we can get ESPN Sports Science on this! Would be awesome to see a Hackney jig catch under the microscope. To contrast it would be nice to also see an Aaron Martens drop shot catch evaluated the same way. Wouldn't be a show without a KVD Crankbait or Spinnerbait bite to round out the evaluations. 1 Quote
Super User J Francho Posted March 30, 2015 Super User Posted March 30, 2015 I think the easy stuff to attack are contradictory idioms we all use and hear: "Use a shorter rod to get leverage on a fish in close quarters." "A longer rod gives you more leverage on a big fish." Which is it? Depends on how you use the lever! 1 Quote
Super User J Francho Posted March 30, 2015 Super User Posted March 30, 2015 And Felix, everybody knows it's that erratic action that the big ones can't ignore. Lol. 1 Quote
Super User WRB Posted March 31, 2015 Super User Posted March 31, 2015 To understand the physics of bass look at Archimedies buoyancy and lever. Longer rods can give the bass a advantage, they get the long end of the stick unless you move the fulcrum forward; 1 hand in front of the reel the other on the butt end. The weight of anything in water is equal to it's displacement, boats, lures and bass. Force is equal to velocity times mass, hook setting is all about speed. The physics of sonar, might want to study how your unit works! The modern baitcasting reel is a study in physics. Tom 1 Quote
Super User SirSnookalot Posted March 31, 2015 Super User Posted March 31, 2015 1 hand in front of the reel the other on the butt end. Saltwater fishing 101, a good reason why those rods have foregrips. Not uncommon to have a hand or 2 above the foregrip on the shaft for more leverage, quite helpful in pulling a fish away from a pylon for example. That same technique works when pulling a bass out of thick cover. 1 Quote
Nice_Bass Posted March 31, 2015 Posted March 31, 2015 not really arguing too much of any points in particular as I am not a physics guru however, a lever provides multiplication of force not multiplication of energy-force multiplied through equilibrium of torque. Torque of course being force applied x's perpendicular distance from the axis of rotation to the line of action of the force...or something like that (had to look it up)? Force then more efficiently produces torque if force is exerted perpendicular to the rod. So does a rod held at waist level perpendicular to the water exert a better hook set than a rod with the tip held higher not perpendicular? Anyhow- not sure I have ever needed more torque or force to turn a bass- only time I have ever needed it is when fishing for stripers on bass gear or the occasional 30# plus flat head when bass fishing. I know the salt guys need it as well, but bass...meh... Quote
Super User J Francho Posted March 31, 2015 Super User Posted March 31, 2015 Most people's notion of a lever is the classic teeter-totter or Class I lever. A fishing rod is more often used like a Class III lever. 1 Quote
Super User SirSnookalot Posted March 31, 2015 Super User Posted March 31, 2015 Physics aside, all you really have to do is just reel the fish in. Quote
Nice_Bass Posted March 31, 2015 Posted March 31, 2015 Most people's notion of a lever is the classic teeter-totter or Class I lever. A fishing rod is more often used like a Class III lever. did not really think of it like that- very well put. More like a hammer or forearm. Interesting.. Quote
Super User J Francho Posted March 31, 2015 Super User Posted March 31, 2015 Physics aside, all you really have to do is just reel the fish in. It helps if you're in front of a lake instead of a computer. Quote
John G Posted March 31, 2015 Posted March 31, 2015 I think the easy stuff to attack are contradictory idioms we all use and hear: "Use a shorter rod to get leverage on a fish in close quarters." "A longer rod gives you more leverage on a big fish." Which is it? Depends on how you use the lever! I took someones advice and I bought an 8' rod for Grouper fishing from a party boat. That was very bad advice! Quote
Super User SirSnookalot Posted March 31, 2015 Super User Posted March 31, 2015 It helps if you're in front of a lake instead of a computer. I agree.......winter and work up north, retirement and year round warm weather here in the south. Quote
corn-on-the-rob Posted March 31, 2015 Posted March 31, 2015 I think the easy stuff to attack are contradictory idioms we all use and hear: "Use a shorter rod to get leverage on a fish in close quarters." "A longer rod gives you more leverage on a big fish." Which is it? Depends on how you use the lever! well said. The other thing people don't take into consideration is that a longer rod is balanced differently than shorter rods hence longer/shorter handles creating different points of contact in which moments can be drastically changed with reel seat position/hand position. Also whether you anchor the butt of the rod (tucked against your body or under your arm) can make a huge difference in this application as well. Quote
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