2015 Aldebaran Casting And Braking Systems

[fishangdood]

     I'm not going to lie, I'm an Abu Garcia guy.  It's the parts availabilty, for the most part, and interchangeability between models that make me stick to Abu.  I know that every brand has their minor differences one model up or down, but this time Shimano's finally caught my eye with the new Aldebaran.

     Now every brand has their own defining terms for mechanisms within a reel, but if someone here can elighten me on this 'Silent Tune'.  I read that it's suppose to greatly reduce or completely eliminate tolerances of the spool bearings when casting via small springs installed behind each spool bearing (seen on google image search). The Ambassadeur 1/2500c has a similar mechanism in which the long end of the spool shaft has a spring installed and the other end is independant from the pinion gear shaft (like the new revo3s except the S) which rides on a spring loaded nylon bushing; essentially it's like the silent tune, but the Ambassadeur seems to involve the spool itself rather than minimizing the tolerances/vibrations of the spool bearings of the silent tune.

    Similarly, the centrifugal brake arms, as also seen in other models like the curado and chronarch, is the equivalent of Abu's IVCB-IV system; only real difference is the locking arms and brake racing adjustments. 

    Are there any members out there as enthusiastic about reel mechanisms like me (I'd rather be catching bass, but when it's cold, this is where my mind wanders off to)?  Please let me know any comparison in castability between the IVCB-IV or VI system, the 1/2500c (stock), and the 2015 Aldebaran.  I'd especially like to know the difference between the mgxtreme, mgx, and Aldebaran.  

 

Tight Lines,

Fishangdood

 

 

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I'd go off onto mag braking systems, but that's just another can to open.

[J.Bass]

     I'm not going to lie, I'm an Abu Garcia guy.  It's the parts availabilty, for the most part, and interchangeability between models that make me stick to Abu.  I know that every brand has their minor differences one model up or down, but this time Shimano's finally caught my eye with the new Aldebaran.

     Now every brand has their own defining terms for mechanisms within a reel, but if someone here can elighten me on this 'Silent Tune'.  I read that it's suppose to greatly reduce or completely eliminate tolerances of the spool bearings when casting via small springs installed behind each spool bearing (seen on google image search). The Ambassadeur 1/2500c has a similar mechanism in which the long end of the spool shaft has a spring installed and the other end is independant from the pinion gear shaft (like the new revo3s except the S) which rides on a spring loaded nylon bushing; essentially it's like the silent tune, but the Ambassadeur seems to involve the spool itself rather than minimizing the tolerances/vibrations of the spool bearings of the silent tune.

    Similarly, the centrifugal brake arms, as also seen in other models like the curado and chronarch, is the equivalent of Abu's IVCB-IV system; only real difference is the locking arms and brake racing adjustments. 

    Are there any members out there as enthusiastic about reel mechanisms like me (I'd rather be catching bass, but when it's cold, this is where my mind wanders off to)?  Please let me know any comparison in castability between the IVCB-IV or VI system, the 1/2500c (stock), and the 2015 Aldebaran.  I'd especially like to know the difference between the mgxtreme, mgx, and Aldebaran.  

 

Tight Lines,

Fishangdood

 

 

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I'd go off onto mag braking systems, but that's just another can to open.

The mag braking system, I like. I wonder how this Aldebaran compares to the mag system?

[hotdogin]

No offense to anybody here, but you'll most likely get a quicker response on tackle tour.

[fishangdood]

No offense to anybody here, but you'll most likely get a quicker response on tackle tour.

Haha, you're probably right.  I guess for the sake of technical inquiries, looking into TT with regards to my post would be like taking the leap from reddit/fishing to here.

[bootytrain]

I took my 2015 Aldebaran out today for a few hours, silent tune is supposed to eliminate the slight play that the bearings have in their housings in the frame. Its like having a loose wheel so you tighten the lug nuts. Personally I don't see any improvement in casting smoothness vs the old Aldebraran which is a good thing, because the prev gen 50s are so smooth in casting for being centrifugal brakes. As far as the brakes? I don't have and IVCB abu(yet) but I do have a LEWS team lite coming in(I sent it back for an exchange). Its braking system is copy of the IVCB(Abu should have seen that coming since Doyo manufactures both reels). The systems are similar but with IVCB the brake arms are always flying and you increase the friction by lowering the brake race? With SVS Infinity you increase the friction of only the activated brake arms. If anyone has a REVO Premier and a Chronarch CI4 maybe then can tell us which one casts better?

[fishangdood]

The mag braking system, I like. I wonder how this Aldebaran compares to the mag system?

If you've ever played around with shallow spools, I'd say mag brakes take the cake for finesse applications.

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

The only 2500 Im familiar with is an old round reel with nothing in common with an Aldabaran. The silent tune springs are meant to hold the bearings still inside the housing. Apparently engineers found some slight vibration being transmitted to the spool and set out to eliminate it. Supposedly this makes for an extremely smooth reel. If they're going to get away with discontinuing the Core they had to give us something. The silent tune and x ship should be upgrades if all else is as good as the old core.

[fishangdood]

I took my 2015 Aldebaran out today for a few hours, silent tune is supposed to eliminate the slight play that the bearings have in their housings in the frame. Its like having a loose wheel so you tighten the lug nuts. Personally I don't see any improvement in casting smoothness vs the old Aldebraran which is a good thing, because the prev gen 50s are so smooth in casting for being centrifugal brakes. As far as the brakes? I don't have and IVCB abu(yet) but I do have a LEWS team lite coming in(I sent it back for an exchange). Its braking system is copy of the IVCB(Abu should have seen that coming since Doyo manufactures both reels). The systems are similar but with IVCB the brake arms are always flying and you increase the friction by lowering the brake race? With SVS Infinity you increase the friction of only the activated brake arms. If anyone has a REVO Premier and a Chronarch CI4 maybe then can tell us which one casts better?

Oh man, I casted my bud's Chronarch CI4 after servicing it.  Spool stopping power, about the same.  Overall tolerances, I'd give it to the Chronarch.  No bias here coming from an Abu Guy.  I also like the body styling on the Chronarch.  But casting distance, IMO, is about the same.  Then again, if it was my Chronarch, it would have been TLC'ed; I had to remove moss off the levelwind.  The poor reel was rashed up ten ways to Sunday and was only a season old.  However, I can't make a proper judgement call for casting as the stock bearings got a 8-10 second spin time after a complete flushing and light oiling while my Premier, at the time, did not get it's end of season servicing yet.

 

Now speaking of Doyo, OEM still comes before Jarden thus leading to my installation of Lew's Speed Spool (before the lighter faster stronger slogan) thumb bars onto my gen 3 revos; I hated the fake metallic finish rubbing off.  Also, the Aluminum shafts of the Johnny Morris Carbonlites are an exact fit on the gen 3 revos and probably for the Speed Spools as well.  The only difference is the level wind gear at the bottom of the drive shaft, but if you just match up the right part # to it, it'll work on the gen3 revo. 

[fishangdood]

The only 2500 Im familiar with is an old round reel with nothing in common with an Aldabaran. The silent tune springs are meant to hold the bearings still inside the housing. Apparently engineers found some slight vibration being transmitted to the spool and set out to eliminate it. Supposedly this makes for an extremely smooth reel. If they're going to get away with discontinuing the Core they had to give us something. The silent tune and x ship should be upgrades if all else is as good as the old core.

I brought up the 2500c in regards to the spring mechanism on the spool shaft, like on Daiwa's magforce (I can't recall which one).  I know the spring on the pinion shaft helps in re-engaging the pinion when the ratchet pins returns the clutch/thumb button.  Of course it's a two-pin centrifugal compared to a modern swing arm centrifugal system with an externally adjustable brake racing, but I don't think it can be enirely ruled out that the 2500c has nothing in comparison. 

[bootytrain]

Oh man, I casted my bud's Chronarch CI4 after servicing it.  Spool stopping power, about the same.  Overall tolerances, I'd give it to the Chronarch.  No bias here coming from an Abu Guy.  I also like the body styling on the Chronarch.  But casting distance, IMO, is about the same.  Then again, if it was my Chronarch, it would have been TLC'ed; I had to remove moss off the levelwind.  The poor reel was rashed up ten ways to Sunday and was only a season old.  However, I can't make a proper judgement call for casting as the stock bearings got a 8-10 second spin time after a complete flushing and light oiling while my Premier, at the time, did not get it's end of season servicing yet.

 

Now speaking of Doyo, OEM still comes before Jarden thus leading to my installation of Lew's Speed Spool (before the lighter faster stronger slogan) thumb bars onto my gen 3 revos; I hated the fake metallic finish rubbing off.  Also, the Aluminum shafts of the Johnny Morris Carbonlites are an exact fit on the gen 3 revos and probably for the Speed Spools as well.  The only difference is the level wind gear at the bottom of the drive shaft, but if you just match up the right part # to it, it'll work on the gen3 revo. 

What were your brake settings? Im starting to realize people are over braking their Shimanos lol

[fishangdood]

First I zeroed out the brakes.  Got the 3/8 oz lipless dropping about 1 ft per second on the mechanical brake.  Dialed the the knob half way then chucked.  From there I ease out on the brake dial and then the mech knob/spool tensioner until the fluffing starts.  With 3/8, you can probably just do one brake arm with slight thumbing.

[J.Bass]

If you've ever played around with shallow spools, I'd say mag brakes take the cake for finesse applications.

I agree. I have a Abu Garcia Revo Mgx. From the first day I've owned it (2 years ago), I've fallen in love with it. The fact it's superlight in your hand a plus. The fact the bearing's make it smooth is amazing. The mag brakes icing on the cake as you explained. Only bad thing is, it costed $349.99 lol. I guess if you have the money to spend at the time, it's worth the buying. I have it paired with a St. Croix legendary xtreme rod, and it's so superlight. To get back to what you said, your exactly right. Mag braking system also helps in the beginning of a cast. The way they have lighter braking making reel light is great. It's a personal preference. I used to like the centrifical braking system, before I bought a mag braking system.

[fishangdood]

I agree. I have a Abu Garcia Revo Mgx. From the first day I've owned it (2 years ago), I've fallen in love with it. The fact it's superlight in your hand a plus. The fact the bearing's make it smooth is amazing. The mag brakes icing on the cake as you explained. Only bad thing is, it costed $349.99 lol. I guess if you have the money to spend at the time, it's worth the buying. I have it paired with a St. Croix legendary xtreme rod, and it's so superlight. To get back to what you said, your exactly right. Mag braking system also helps in the beginning of a cast. The way they have lighter braking making reel light is great. It's a personal preference. I used to like the centrifical braking system, before I bought a mag braking system.

Eh, so did you swap into a Magtrax brake system and pair it with an LTX or other after market shallow spool?

[J.Bass]

Eh, so did you swap into a Magtrax brake system and pair it with an LTX or other after market shallow spool?

I'm sorry for being confusing with my recent post. I said wrong reel, as well as rod. As my revo mgx is a centrifical brake system. I don't have an LTX (Would love one), but I have a Revo SX Low Pro reel. As I stated above it's amazing. I'm sorry for any confusion I caused. Don't get me wrong, my mgx is better quality and can out perform my SX with it's centrifical brake system, BUT I like how the mag brake system you can adjust to your lure's your throwing. Especially, in windy conditions this helps a lot.

[fishangdood]

I'm sorry for being confusing with my recent post. I said wrong reel, as well as rod. As my revo mgx is a centrifical brake system. I don't have an LTX (Would love one), but I have a Revo SX Low Pro reel. As I stated above it's amazing. I'm sorry for any confusion I caused. Don't get me wrong, my mgx is better quality and can out perform my SX with it's centrifical brake system, BUT I like how the mag brake system you can adjust to your lure's your throwing. Especially, in windy conditions this helps a lot.

Dude, you've got an LTX between owning an SX and MGX (assuming you're talking about the gen 3 SX).  You can always order the LTX spool from Purefishing US since it's finally available mainland.  Plus the spools are marked down by 20% when ordering directly from them (S&H is bull crap so make your order count).  Just pop that baby into your MGX, and pop on your SX's palm plate and BOOYAKASHA!  It's an LTX.

[J.Bass]

Dude, you've got an LTX between owning an SX and MGX (assuming you're talking about the gen 3 SX).  You can always order the LTX spool from Purefishing US since it's finally available mainland.  Plus the spools are marked down by 20% when ordering directly from them (S&H is bull crap so make your order count).  Just pop that baby into your MGX, and pop on your SX's palm plate and BOOYAKASHA!  It's an LTX.

Never thought of that. I'll have to look into this. Would love to have a mgx become a LTX. Thanks for the help appreciated.

[fishangdood]

Never thought of that. I'll have to look into this. Would love to have a mgx become a LTX. Thanks for the help appreciated.

Anytime.