Trenton Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 Just went and looked at an older "Winner" 1978 I think fiberglass boat with a 150hp mariner on the back. It's the original owner with trailer and everything. Has an old mag 40 front mount on it. Long outdated electronics. Plumbing needs work but floor, carpet, paint, and hull look good. Seats are beat up and torn a little bit but the boats 30 years old so it's pretty good looking for all the places it's been. My question is without the motor at all what is it worth?? I want to buy it without the motor but I think he's going to ask to much. Looked up trailer prices and they're cheaper then what I thought they would be. I've found that 79 21' trailer is about $220-270. But found mixed results on the boat. Let me know what you guys think it'll be my first fiberglass bass boat and it is nice. Quote
Ozark_Basser Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 Go to Nada and see for yourself. I would guess around 1500 give or take. Quote
Super User retiredbosn Posted March 24, 2015 Super User Posted March 24, 2015 Go to Nada and see for yourself. X2 on boats the loan officer at the bank told me that the information available to consumers is within 50-100 bucks of the business side of value, only when pricing the boat out at base price, no options. NADA will provide pricing on the boat motor and trailer as a unit. Quote
Trenton Posted March 24, 2015 Author Posted March 24, 2015 Yeah I found NADA right after doing the thread. It said roughly $250 for the trailer and average retail was between $1700-$2000 but that was with the motor. I figure without it, it should be much less. I'm thinking $700-600 without the motor do you think I'm out of bounds with that offer? He was thinking the trailer was worth more then 500. But I'm glad I found nada I've seen a bunch of people on my arena just selling trailers for Jon boats for $500 Quote
Trenton Posted March 24, 2015 Author Posted March 24, 2015 Plot twist. I took a picture of the trailers mgf plate I think boat is a 88 Quote
Super User BrianinMD Posted March 24, 2015 Super User Posted March 24, 2015 the trailer may be an 88, doesn't mean the boat is Quote
Trenton Posted March 24, 2015 Author Posted March 24, 2015 It was as pair he bought in "79" he said so I'm thinking he meant 89. He's a little older and had a jack and coke in his hand while we were talking. 1 Quote
Super User retiredbosn Posted March 24, 2015 Super User Posted March 24, 2015 The hull identification number (which you should verify) will tell you model year info: BTW the HIN is NOT the same as the registry numbers found on the bow. Most glass boats they are on the stern, if it doesn't have the HIN don't buy it. HIN's are to boats what VIN are to cars. Quote
Trenton Posted March 24, 2015 Author Posted March 24, 2015 Thnx I'll have to look when I go with a price to him. It's got a 150 magnum 2 2stroke mariner on the back. He says it's low hours bc most of the time he was trolling for stripers. He was thinking that he could get 2-3k for the motor but NADA says it's 700-800 running tip top. Trailer is $300 boat is 1500-1700. Now this boat needs some work not much but I think he's not going to like what I'm going to offer Quote
BaitMonkey1984 Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 It was as pair he bought in "79" he said so I'm thinking he meant 89. He's a little older and had a jack and coke in his hand while we were talking. Hey if you were selling your boat you would have a drink in your hand too! 1 Quote
Rented Mule Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 Here's what I think. Older Bass boats, especially that old, are for the most part a losing proposition. Of course there are exceptions. They're not like guns or golf clubs, they just don't age well. You'll constantly be dumping money into it, and your dumping money into something that isn't really worth squat anyway. If the trolling motor craps out, figure 500-700 for a decent replacement. Rotted stringers, waterlogged transom, deteriorated wiring on the boat and trailer are all possibilities as well. As far as the Mariner Mag, I had one for decades. Blown stator, carb rebuilds, lower unit replacement, blown power packs, oil injection demons, poppet valves are all part of the fun of keeping one of those beasts running. And, any one of those mechanical fixes could in itself be worth more than the engine. And , there's nothing like being ready to fish and have a boat's that's not. It'll suck the fun right out of fishing. Unless your financially able to keep it running and maintain it, I'd go for a newer rig with a newer engine. Possibly aluminum, where there's a lot less hidden dangers. I had a '84 18' Stratos, and fished out of it for 30 years, I kept it in immaculate shape, and it still sucked money out of my account on a yearly basis. And although it was probably worth a few grand, I gave it away to a young aspiring bass fisherman who could never have afforded a glass boat. I gave it to him for one dollar, perfectly functioning. You should have seen the look on his face. Good luck whichever way you go 1 Quote
jhoffman Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 Absolutely right, the amount of money you will pour into that could buy you a really nice boat. My buddy bought a 186 triton, on the trailer with a yamaha 150 for $8000 cash. Deals are out there, just keep looking, keep saving and be patient. My boat is a 92 and this is what has had... Upgraded power/rebuilt motor - went from a 25 to a 40, still not brand new $2000 Trailer stripped and repainted - did it all myself - $200 New hubs, bearings, rear seals - $100 New Merc Control - $250 New Merc Tach Harness - $40 Onboard Charger - $200 Livewell Timer , self installed - $80 New Cover - $200 New rims/tires - $400 New trailer wires , run myself plus all LED lights - $200 This doesnt include the money I dumped into the last engine on fuel pumps, wires, coils .... adds up fast. I paid $3000 for the boat how it sat. If I sold it tomorrow and got near $4k id be ecstatic and the only reason I MIGHT when I sell is that boat will be virtually new front to back. Quote
Trenton Posted March 25, 2015 Author Posted March 25, 2015 Here's what I think. Older Bass boats, especially that old, are for the most part a losing proposition. Of course there are exceptions. They're not like guns or golf clubs, they just don't age well.You'll constantly be dumping money into it, and your dumping money into something that isn't really worth squat anyway. If the trolling motor craps out, figure 500-700 for a decent replacement. Rotted stringers, waterlogged transom, deteriorated wiring on the boat and trailer are all possibilities as well. As far as the Mariner Mag, I had one for decades. Blown stator, carb rebuilds, lower unit replacement, blown power packs, oil injection demons, poppet valves are all part of the fun of keeping one of those beasts running. And, any one of those mechanical fixes could in itself be worth more than the engine.And , there's nothing like being ready to fish and have a boat's that's not. It'll suck the fun right out of fishing.Unless your financially able to keep it running and maintain it, I'd go for a newer rig with a newer engine. Possibly aluminum, where there's a lot less hidden dangers.I had a '84 18' Stratos, and fished out of it for 30 years, I kept it in immaculate shape, and it still sucked money out of my account on a yearly basis. And although it was probably worth a few grand, I gave it away to a young aspiring bass fisherman who could never have afforded a glass boat. I gave it to him for one dollar, perfectly functioning. You should have seen the look on his face.Good luck whichever way you go Sad part is my dad said that he might just give me the boat if he took the motor off it. But he thinks his rig is worth more then it is. I think I'm still going to get it without the motor and save up and put a smaller one on it. It is really nice for its age and for most of its life it was garage kept. But the last 10ish years it been under cover. I'm thinking plumbing and electrical are going to be my biggest issues I'm gonna offer him 700-800 and most of my lakes I'm going to fish with and my tournament series is a trolling motor only format so without the motor I can load up with batteries and put a motor on later. Quote
jhoffman Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 If you're building an electric or hp restricted boat you want aluminum not glass Quote
Trenton Posted March 25, 2015 Author Posted March 25, 2015 Well I can fish raystown so I figure best of both worlds I can put up to a 170 motor on the back of this boat but I probably wouldn't but at the same time I can still take and use it on the other lakes. I'm waiting for a guy to get back to me about a boat he reached out to me about. It's a sea nymph 14' with a 150hp limit 650lb weight limit and it's basically gutted at the moment so I can redo it bc he only wants $400 Quote
Krappiehog Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 I will tell you pass! I will almost surely bet 1000:1 the transom is bad. Unless you have a good glassman to look at it don't risk it! Getting the tea some done correctly will set you back 5-6k. I have friends that work for some of the bass boat companies here in north Ar, I have one that is the master glassman for a top company and he is my go to... You have no idea how many boats I thought had a good transoceanic and when I took to him he identified problems with in 30 sec of see it. And I'm talking nice boats. Buyer beware is all I'm saying... bust out another thousand Quote
Trenton Posted March 26, 2015 Author Posted March 26, 2015 I think I found a gem. Sea nymph 14' 56"beam 650lb weight limit, 150hp motor capacity, he wants $400. It's almost gutted 2 seats that'll need replaced and a plywood deck for the front mount trolling motor. I can build it however I want. Quote
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