Super User Raider Nation Fisher Posted March 22, 2015 Super User Posted March 22, 2015 So apparently by not going through the apprenticeship program. I am not eligible to work in various locals around the country. I'm sorry. I'm not going to be looked down upon, because I didn't go through YOUR apprenticeship school. Everyone wants to preach brotherhood and all that other stuff yet this is how it works. I pay the same dues and everything else that everyone else does, yet I'm not equal to everyone else. Well, I can handle this situation just fine. I'm calling the pipefitters local and the iron workers local on monday. I'll just go through one of their apprenticeships. Ironworkers have already told me they will accept me. I'm curious about the pipefitters too. I'm not bashing unions nor am I interested in hearing others bash them. This is in relations to me searching for a job. Quote
Super User Sam Posted March 22, 2015 Super User Posted March 22, 2015 Their apprentice schools allow them to educate the guys in the manner for which they wish in addition to selecting those they want to join their union. If they like you then you can go through their apprentice school and you will be given a job. If they don't like you will not go through their apprentice school and you will have to move to South Carolina which is not a union state. The apprentice schools give the bosses the understanding that the new guys have a strong base of knowledge in their chosen field which helps production and leads to fewer problems. 1 Quote
Super User Raider Nation Fisher Posted March 22, 2015 Author Super User Posted March 22, 2015 Their apprentice schools allow them to educate the guys in the manner for which they wish in addition to selecting those they want to join their union. If they like you then you can go through their apprentice school and you will be given a job. If they don't like you will not go through their apprentice school and you will have to move to South Carolina which is not a union state. The apprentice schools give the bosses the understanding that the new guys have a strong base of knowledge in their chosen field which helps production and leads to fewer problems. I like your take on it wise old crawfish. That does make sense. Quote
Super User slonezp Posted March 22, 2015 Super User Posted March 22, 2015 I was sponsored in by a shop as a Journeyman Service Fitter My local rules here have changed since that happened because many of the service shops don't want to take on apprentices. The shops are now required to take on 2 apprentices for every guy they sponsor in. So, my old shop now sponsors guys in thru the sheet metal local so they are not forced to take on pipefitters apprentices. As far as working around the country, I thought you just needed permission. I do know when I transferred locals, from one pipefitters local to another I had to give up my seniority(although it wasn't much) to get into my current local. My local has since absorbed the local I transferred in from. Go figure. Sam, although I agree with much of what you say, it doesn't apply across the board. I worked with journeyman fitters that did the 5 year apprenticeship, who couldn't find their azz with both hands. When I was still working on the street, I was fortunate to have never been unemployed, whether at a union or non union shop. I can't say the same for the construction guys. I think that's where the animosity comes from. Many are treated as just another number. A construction Journeyman at my local is guaranteed approximately $10 more per hour in the contract versus a Journeyman service fitter. 100% of the construction fitters went thru the apprenticeship. 70% of the service fitters did not. Raider, you could always buy your card.... 1 Quote
Super User F14A-B Posted March 22, 2015 Super User Posted March 22, 2015 Raider, you could always buy your card.... Kmart blue light special! 1 Quote
Super User Raider Nation Fisher Posted March 22, 2015 Author Super User Posted March 22, 2015 I was sponsored in by a shop as a Journeyman Service Fitter My local rules here have changed since that happened because many of the service shops don't want to take on apprentices. The shops are now required to take on 2 apprentices for every guy they sponsor in. So, my old shop now sponsors guys in thru the sheet metal local so they are not forced to take on pipefitters apprentices. As far as working around the country, I thought you just needed permission. I do know when I transferred locals, from one pipefitters local to another I had to give up my seniority(although it wasn't much) to get into my current local. My local has since absorbed the local I transferred in from. Go figure. Sam, although I agree with much of what you say, it doesn't apply across the board. I worked with journeyman fitters that did the 5 year apprenticeship, who couldn't find their azz with both hands. When I was still working on the street, I was fortunate to have never been unemployed, whether at a union or non union shop. I can't say the same for the construction guys. I think that's where the animosity comes from. Many are treated as just another number. A construction Journeyman at my local is guaranteed approximately $10 more per hour in the contract versus a Journeyman service fitter. 100% of the construction fitters went thru the apprenticeship. 70% of the service fitters did not. Raider, you could always buy your card.... I am a construction electrician. So I have permission to work anywhere in the country. However, they don't have to work me or give me the opportunity to work if they don't want to. If your referral letter does not say 5 year apprenticeship completed then you are looked down upon and usually not worked at the Northern or Midwest Northern halls. Which tend to be where the money is. Regardless of your qualifications, skills, or years in the trade.I'm also Book 1 in my local. So that is viewed as buying my card by them. Quote
tipptruck1 Posted March 22, 2015 Posted March 22, 2015 Well if all else falls. You can go back to being a gigolo or a stripper. 1 Quote
Super User Redlinerobert Posted March 22, 2015 Super User Posted March 22, 2015 Well if all else falls. You can go back to being a gigolo or a stripper. I thought he was a psychiatrist? 1 Quote
tipptruck1 Posted March 22, 2015 Posted March 22, 2015 I thought he was a psychiatrist? I heard he quite after Oprah gave the job to Dr. Phil. Quote
Super User Raider Nation Fisher Posted March 22, 2015 Author Super User Posted March 22, 2015 i hate unions Seems to be common down here in alabama. Quote
Super User fishinfiend Posted March 22, 2015 Super User Posted March 22, 2015 Seems to be common down here in alabama. haha dang right Especially the teacher's union 2 Quote
Super User SirSnookalot Posted March 23, 2015 Super User Posted March 23, 2015 i hate unions Part of the reason of the shrinking middle class is due to less union participation. Being a former business owner one may think I'd be against unions, the opposite is true I'm pro union. Some people tend to think you get what you pay for, especially on this forum when fishing discussing gear, why would a teacher be any different. Like any employment the highest wages attract the most qualified people. What ever poll or survey is used as reference the US ranks no where near top of the industrialized countries in secondary education, rings a bell for me. Like many employments teachers do not start near the top of the pay scale, tenure takes time. Additionally to be at the top a masters degrees or perhaps a PHD, that doesn't come easy. Education IMO should be priority for the future. Quote
Super User Lund Explorer Posted March 23, 2015 Super User Posted March 23, 2015 One of the best things about unions is that management can't play favorites. One of the worst things is that union leadership can! My advice to Raider - Become A Carpet Walker! 1 Quote
Super User Raider Nation Fisher Posted March 23, 2015 Author Super User Posted March 23, 2015 One of the best things about unions is that management can't play favorites. One of the worst things is that union leadership can! My advice to Raider - Become A Carpet Walker! Eventually I will. Start up capital has to be amassed first. Quote
Super User fishinfiend Posted March 23, 2015 Super User Posted March 23, 2015 Part of the reason of the shrinking middle class is due to less union participation. Being a former business owner one may think I'd be against unions, the opposite is true I'm pro union. Some people tend to think you get what you pay for, especially on this forum when fishing discussing gear, why would a teacher be any different. Like any employment the highest wages attract the most qualified people. What ever poll or survey is used as reference the US ranks no where near top of the industrialized countries in secondary education, rings a bell for me. Like many employments teachers do not start near the top of the pay scale, tenure takes time. Additionally to be at the top a masters degrees or perhaps a PHD, that doesn't come easy. Education IMO should be priority for the future. I know first hand the teacher's union is of little service and does more harm than good. Quote
AQUA VELVA Posted March 30, 2015 Posted March 30, 2015 I worked in a steel mill for 36 years and I can tell you that the only reason that we had a safe working environment and decent pay and benefits was because of the union. The USWA was not a particularly strong union but it was better than no union. Quote
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