Bayin'Blues Posted March 19, 2015 Posted March 19, 2015 On one of my local ponds I fish there is a ring of weedy lillys that are inside the pond edge approximatly 1-4 foot across. It provides plenty of cover for the Bass, but it seems impossible to fish. Frogs have worked in the morning across the top of them but all other attempts to fish it have been futile. Also on the same property, there is another pond that has the same type cover but is spread out alot more covering a good portion of the pond. I've seen these weeds gradually shift from one place to the next covering up my honey hole. Any suggestions on how to fish this stuff or fix it? Quote
Super User J Francho Posted March 19, 2015 Super User Posted March 19, 2015 A Texas rigged worm would work well. Start with a light weight, like 1/8 oz, and work up from there. 2 Quote
Big C Posted March 19, 2015 Posted March 19, 2015 Sick Fish with rigged on a weighted screw lock hook. Drag it along the top and let it sink/settle into the holes and breaks in the cover. Quote
Super User roadwarrior Posted March 19, 2015 Super User Posted March 19, 2015 Warning: You Might Get Your Arm Broke! http://www.bassresource.com/bass-fishing-forums/topic/11664-warning-you-might-get-your-arm-broke/ 1 Quote
Bayin'Blues Posted March 19, 2015 Author Posted March 19, 2015 I'm still learning about the different techniques and all so bare with me as I try to relay exactly what I have tried. I'm fishing various types of worms ranging from Sink-O's from Bass Pro (weedless on a Gomakatsu EWG 4/0 hook with and without weight), KVD Sexy Frog, and a Texas rig worm with the same Gomakatsu EWG 4/0 hook. I've approached the weeds from my Jon Boat about 10-15 yards away and also tried to fish it from the bank. Each time it seems like it will penetrate the weak spots, but come back to the surface instead of stay under the weeds. (Keep in mind the weak spots are few and far between and not very big). Maybe I could use more weight to "Punch" through? I'm guessing that's what you ment by Punch? lol Im going to look into the Kreature bait mentioned in the reply above. I bought a pack of what I think is a similar bait from Bass Pro just last week. The name escapes me, but it's a flat rubber speckled frog?? I believe that is close to the Kreature bait you mentioned. Quote
Penguino Posted March 19, 2015 Posted March 19, 2015 I'm still learning about the different techniques and all so bare with me as I try to relay exactly what I have tried. I'm fishing various types of worms ranging from Sink-O's from Bass Pro (weedless on a Gomakatsu EWG 4/0 hook with and without weight), KVD Sexy Frog, and a Texas rig worm with the same Gomakatsu EWG 4/0 hook. I've approached the weeds from my Jon Boat about 10-15 yards away and also tried to fish it from the bank. Each time it seems like it will penetrate the weak spots, but come back to the surface instead of stay under the weeds. (Keep in mind the weak spots are few and far between and not very big). Maybe I could use more weight to "Punch" through? I'm guessing that's what you ment by Punch? lol Im going to look into the Kreature bait mentioned in the reply above. I bought a pack of what I think is a similar bait from Bass Pro just last week. The name escapes me, but it's a flat rubber speckled frog?? I believe that is close to the Kreature bait you mentioned. Peg the heavy sinker and you should be able to punch through any cover except for the most thick. Quote
Penguino Posted March 19, 2015 Posted March 19, 2015 Define peg please? Its what you use to make sure the weight doesn't slide up and down your line. I mostly use a tooth pick, but there are probably better solutions. Without a pegged weight, it is nearly impossible to punch through any sort of cover. Quote
Bayin'Blues Posted March 20, 2015 Author Posted March 20, 2015 Thanks for the help. I'll give it a try this morning. Quote
Super User scaleface Posted March 20, 2015 Super User Posted March 20, 2015 A local pond use to be covered in a thick slop. No one else even bothered to fish it. It had a green , slimy moss mixed in with what I call duckweed. I caught a whole bunch of big bass in that slop. I used a Riverside Top Gun no weight and a large flipping hook. This picture is not a rigged bait , the lure is just laying flat on top of the hook. The Top gun is flat and easily slid across the mats of moss. Strikes were explosive and lots of misses but very exciting. I used 15 lb Trilene Big Game . I would catch a big bass and pull in several lbs of moss on every fish. Yum is now making this bait but I dont recall the new name it goes by. Quote
Joedodge Posted March 20, 2015 Posted March 20, 2015 I was just lookI g at them on yum site. It's the swurm! Very cool I fish a lot of nasty ponds like that here in Florida I may have to try some. But to contribute to the thread a good ribbon tail or sticks bait with a 1/4-3/8 ounce worm weight will normally finesse through matts no problem. Quote
Super User Catt Posted March 20, 2015 Super User Posted March 20, 2015 Without a pegged weight, it is nearly impossible to punch through any sort of cover. LMAO! I almost never peg a weight 1 Quote
Super User Master Bait'r Posted March 20, 2015 Super User Posted March 20, 2015 Pad ring!? Perfect!! I think of that line of pads as the trenches- that line of cover bass use to ambush their prey, also smaller fish use these weeds to hide and survive. It's a battleground, and the most prominent thing you have to key on. It's also a pretty decent indicator of depth change- it's a topo map ring of sorts. If you're in a jon boat and having no success casting AT the line and working pinpoints, get right up in it and cast PARALLEL to the line. Work the bait right along that line of consistent depth- whatever it may be in the situation- but you're trying to present the bait to as much of that ambush/strike zone as possible. That wall of weeds or at some point something at a grade below it you may not be able to see has fish in it and you need to find that depth and cover. You can do it with a crank, a worm, weighted plastic creatures, a swimbait, spinnerbait, etc. all depending on your situation, but I like to mentally work my way down the topo lines provided by the weeds. It gives you a better understanding of the shape of the bottom and you can basically map out the lake/pond/cove that way pretty efficiently. If they're down under the pads though, I like to work a pointy, compact and heavy frog across the tops as a search bait... If something takes a whack at it but misses or I see a follow swell I follow up immediately with a little punch rig as close as I can manage to it- All I use to get through the pads is like 30lb braid, with a heavy bait-appropriate EGW hook, probably a pit boss or rage craw on the hook and a pegged punch skirt in front of it. Toss it out there, get it through, let it fall and *if* it hits the bottom give it a little shake. Set the hook if you feel any ticks along the way. Piece of cake my man! Siebert Outdoors is a great place to explore if you want to see some punch rigs even just punch jigs. You simply cannot go wrong with a Siebert jig. The cover you describe is literally what I seek out most often though. Smaller lakes and big ponds with a thick ring of vegetation, little to no boat access and maybe even a hairy portage. That is my go-to. Killer fishing and no other people. Quote
Brian-S Posted March 20, 2015 Posted March 20, 2015 As others have mentioned a good soft plastic stick bait can slither in and out of pockets very well in those situations! Another good "peg" is bobber stoppers, they're normally $.99 a pack and slide them on to peg the weight Brian Quote
looking4structure Posted March 20, 2015 Posted March 20, 2015 A Texas rigged worm would work well. Start with a light weight, like 1/8 oz, and work up from there. x2 on what J Francho said.All around it's hard to beat a Texas rig for any kind of heavy cover. 1 Quote
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