Super User roadwarrior Posted March 19, 2015 Super User Posted March 19, 2015 You need something to keep the braid from slipping. Backing, tape or tying to the wiffle spool will all work. There's no mechanical reason I can think of to not tie to the spool, but something about it, I just don't like the idea. I use backing myself as I can't see loading a reel full of braid that will never see the light of day. Then you can replace the braided line as needed, 60 yards or so at a time. A 200 yard spool is enough to spool three times. Quote
DelcoSol Posted March 20, 2015 Posted March 20, 2015 I have heard of people using Teflon tape for plumbing instead of electrical tape. It will not leave any residue on the spool. 2 Quote
0119 Posted March 20, 2015 Posted March 20, 2015 I tie braid directly to my spool when in the very rare occasion I use braid. There are a lot of good reasons to not use backing or tape especially if you fish salt/brackish water. Mono backing absorbs water and holds it against your spool where one day it'll not dry well enough depending how you store your stuff. Corrosion will begin and the price of a new spool is usually a lot. Using tape does the same thing and corrosion will eventually start. Unless you devise a system where you remove your reels from the rods and allow a few days of sitting out say on a desk top somewhere to let the mono deep under that braid, time to dry. Mono backing is not very popular with serious saltwater anglers or at least ones who think about their equipment. All you need to do is wrap the braid 5 or 6 times around the spool then use a uni knot as shown on Jose Weibe's you tube video. Using more braid is cheaper than having to pay for a new spool. Quote
Super User Crestliner2008 Posted March 20, 2015 Super User Posted March 20, 2015 Another reason why not to tie direct could be economical. If the average spool of braid contains about 125 yards, that's at least two or three re-fills if you use 50% backing on any reel (spinning included). Better to toss 60 or 70 yards of braid than 125. And when is the last time you could cast a foot ball field? Quote
meade95 Posted March 21, 2015 Author Posted March 21, 2015 As I continue in my process of respooling all my baitcasters with backing / tape or tied to the spool....I am somewhat surprised to see that modern day $120+ baitcasters sold today aren't ready out of the box to throw todays top quality braid without some type of after purchase work around to stop slippage.... I also wonder the more I look at it why tying directly to the spool holes would cause any concern (it certainly would stop the ability for any slippage) and unless you run down to the spool on a fish....or close to out....would it really put that much more added pressure on the bearing system of the reel? I was also reading where some pros USE braid as their backing for mono for further casting abilities (yet these pros never talked of slippage caused by braid being tied direct). Are they tying to the spool holes??? Are they using mono, braid, mono type deal? (that seems insane). Quote
DelcoSol Posted March 21, 2015 Posted March 21, 2015 I tie braid directly to my spool when in the very rare occasion I use braid. There are a lot of good reasons to not use backing or tape especially if you fish salt/brackish water. Mono backing absorbs water and holds it against your spool where one day it'll not dry well enough depending how you store your stuff. Corrosion will begin and the price of a new spool is usually a lot. Using tape does the same thing and corrosion will eventually start. Unless you devise a system where you remove your reels from the rods and allow a few days of sitting out say on a desk top somewhere to let the mono deep under that braid, time to dry. Mono backing is not very popular with serious saltwater anglers or at least ones who think about their equipment. All you need to do is wrap the braid 5 or 6 times around the spool then use a uni knot as shown on Jose Weibe's you tube video. Using more braid is cheaper than having to pay for a new spool. Isn't the braid more absorbent than the mono? Quote
lectricbassman Posted March 21, 2015 Posted March 21, 2015 So if I plan to use only braid and respool every year. I could us the black electrician tape way? Go ahead and spend a bit more on white or gray electrical tape. Black tape will eventually leave black adhesive on your spool. While this probably isnt a deal breaker the colored tape is a much cleaner way to go in the long run. 1 roll should last a loooong time! Quote
0119 Posted March 21, 2015 Posted March 21, 2015 Isn't the braid more absorbent than the mono? Not according to the makers and worshippers of superlines. The materials Dyneema and Spectra are not porous nor absorbant. Quote
Alpha Male Posted March 21, 2015 Posted March 21, 2015 I was surprised to see how little braid i use on an average casting spool. I bought a 300 yard spool of sufix 832 and planned on using 100yards on 3 different reels. I put what i thought was 20-25 yards of 12 mono on the spool and after all 3 reels were done i still had an easy 66-75yards of braid left. I do have 2 reels that have minimal backing. My frog rod with 40lb braid and my flipping stick. The frog rod started 2 years ago with 140 yards of 40lb power pro tied through the spool and after each year i reeled the braid onto another reel added enough mono to fill up the spool. In 2 years i have gone through about 25yards or so. And my flippin stick is the only heavy action rod i have so it pulls quadruple duty as a flippin stick, deep crankbait rod, swimbait, and northen pike rod. The revo winch holds 180 yards of 12lb line so i use 20 yards of backing and put all 150 yards of 50lb on. Quote
BadBassWV Posted March 21, 2015 Posted March 21, 2015 Never used backing, always tied direct to the spool on my Tatulas. I've never had a slipping problem. Quote
meade95 Posted March 22, 2015 Author Posted March 22, 2015 This solved the issue. Easy and makes what seems to me the perfect braid to spool solution (non slip). I did 4 reels direct and 4 reels with this knot over tape. Quote
PitchinJigz Posted March 22, 2015 Posted March 22, 2015 If you're using backing, make sure to balance your spool for maximum and smooth casts. TackleJunky81 made a video on YouTube for it, just search for "spool balance" on his channel. Quote
John G Posted March 22, 2015 Posted March 22, 2015 Tying directly to the holes may work fine but it seems kinda amateurish to me. Quote
zeth Posted March 22, 2015 Posted March 22, 2015 electrical tape will solve all of your problems. Quote
BadBassWV Posted March 22, 2015 Posted March 22, 2015 Tying directly to the holes may work fine but it seems kinda amateurish to me. You've got to explain this one LOL!!!!!!!! 1 Quote
John G Posted March 22, 2015 Posted March 22, 2015 You've got to explain this one LOL!!!!!!!! No explanation needed IMHO! Quote
BadBassWV Posted March 22, 2015 Posted March 22, 2015 That's kinda what I thought you would say. I guess only us pro's no how to tie directly to the spool and not get slippage or damage the reel. LOL!!!!! Quote
John G Posted March 22, 2015 Posted March 22, 2015 That's kinda what I thought you would say. I guess only us pro's no how to tie directly to the spool and not get slippage or damage the reel. LOL!!!!! The 2 reasons that you mention have nothing at all to do with why I don't tie directly to the spool. I don't tie directly to the spool because as DVT mentioned on page 1 of this Thread, there is just something about it that doesn't seem right to me. Quote
Brnnoser6983 Posted March 23, 2015 Posted March 23, 2015 Your only going to lose (if that) on reel of line. If you have an empty spool un spool one reel. Than from there use the line from one reel to spool the one you just un spooled. Just tire a uni knot or what ever you prefer. Don't forget the backing our take this time. Quote
t_bone_713 Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 Typically I will tie an improved clinch knot directly to the spool then add about one full revolution of electrical tape with the tied line underneath it. Then out the guide, through the eyes so on an so forth. Quote
ike8120 Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 Some of my reels are braid ready and I don't use a backing, if I use a backing I use Mono and just put about 1-2 layers on the spool. Quote
OnthePotomac Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 This very, very long exchange reminds me, holy cow my Sufix 832 braid has been on my frog rod for three years now with a bunch left on the product spool yet. Can't beat a 10lb mono backing. Quote
Super User fishwizzard Posted March 21, 2020 Super User Posted March 21, 2020 3 hours ago, OnthePotomac said: This very, very long exchange reminds me, holy cow my Sufix 832 braid has been on my frog rod for three years now with a bunch left on the product spool yet. Can't beat a 10lb mono backing. I have a spool full of 50lb Sufix 832 that is starting it’s fifth season. It’s almost bone white at this point having faded from it’s original camouflage color but Until it fails me, I’m gonna keep on using it. Quote
PourMyOwn Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, fishwizzard said: I have a spool full of 50lb Sufix 832 that is starting it’s fifth season. It’s almost bone white at this point having faded from it’s original camouflage color but Until it fails me, I’m gonna keep on using it. You could probably flip it and it will last twice as long! Quote
Super User fishwizzard Posted March 21, 2020 Super User Posted March 21, 2020 26 minutes ago, PourMyOwn said: You could probably flip it and it will last twice as long! It’s been flipped a couple times, I think it’s been on three different reels at this point. 1 Quote
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