Whats The Best Braid To Fluoro Knot

[SirSnookalot]

I don't use flouro (except for kingfish and mackerel) but when I put a loop in the braid and tie my leader on that's when the leader is over the braid.  

[J Francho]

That would make the knot HUGE, right?

[SirSnookalot]

Maybe a little bit, but not using long leaders it works well.

I'll post the video again.

[matuka]

I've heard stories of braid cutting thru the F/C, some may want to try this.  I tie the Albright in the traditional manner as well as this way too.  Wrapping the leader over the braid instead of braid over the leader eliminates any chance of the leader being cut by the braid, as the braid is on the bottom.  I've see no difference in knot quality, I think the knot is called a Bristol knot.

Interesting. How many wraps up and down?

[SirSnookalot]

Interesting. How many wraps up and down?

Depends on the mainline and leaders I'm using.  If I'm using 15 or 20# braid with 30# leader I go 7 wraps up and zero down, 20# leader or less than 8 wraps up and zero down.

If I'm bass fishing I don't put a loop on the mainline and do wrap the braid over the leader, but still 7 or 8 wraps up and zero down.

[ColdSVT]

Im slightly different...i wrap em all down 15-20 usually.

works for me

[J Francho]

That video is terrible. Maybe it's not a problem to mangle the leader on 30# mono like that, but that's a recipe for failure with line we use for bass.

[SirSnookalot]

That video is terrible. Maybe it's not a problem to mangle the leader on 30# mono like that, but that's a recipe for failure with line we use for bass.

The video is great and from a well respected angler, want isn't so great is giving an opinion without first trying it.  As said in the video he often uses 20# mono, that day he was using 30, the braid although not mentioned is probably 15# or so.  As quoted above there is no mangling the knot is perfectly neat and spiraled.  The knot is not big and it's strong, this I can attest to as I have used it many times.   I see no recipe for failure while bass fishing with this knot, although I don't use it for bass myself.   This was merely a suggestion for people that were asking about strong knots, and this one fits that bill.

[J Francho]

Every bad knot I tied has never made it to the water, so I have no idea what it's like to fish one. I tie plenty of good knots that fail. This is a thread about fluoro. If you tie a knot, and the line is mangled, then you failed, and need to start over. Jose is a well respected angler, but that is poor technique.

[Crank Bait Nut]

My 2-Cents , Albright Knot , Very Strong Knot.

 

Mike

[SirSnookalot]

Every bad knot I tied has never made it to the water, so I have no idea what it's like to fish one. I tie plenty of good knots that fail. This is a thread about fluoro. If you tie a knot, and the line is mangled, then you failed, and need to start over. Jose is a well respected angler, but that is poor technique.

Why my response was deleted is a mystery, possibly a mistake as there wasn't a policy infringement.  Many posts stray away from the OP, hardly deviation as some may find it beneficial. 

 

A good knot that fails obviously wasn't a very good knot, knots tied correctly should not fail.

The knot in question is not mangled as shown in the video, hard to imagine an expert like Jose demonstrating how to tie and knot and doing it improperly.  Tying this knot correctly does not make a difference using a mono or FC leader, I've used it many times with FC for line shy species.  

 

As an update to re-affirm my opinion I tied it up on a typical bass set up for me, 10# braid and 10# leader.  Fished it 2 days and it was flawless from a strength standpoint, never felt the knot going thru the guides.  

As with any knot, use the one that you have confidence in.

[shanksmare]

That video is terrible. Maybe it's not a problem to mangle the leader on 30# mono like that, but that's a recipe for failure with line we use for bass.

I'm sure I'm missing something ... but I've watched the video several times and I don't see Jose 'mangling' the leader (he didn't seem to wet the knot before cinching it up - was that editted out to make the video shorter???).

 

He used a spin off of a Spider Hitch (quicker to tie and almost as strong as a Bimini ... some say stronger) to form the loop in the braid and uses it to construct a 'modified' Bristol Knot. Bristol Knots are amongst the strongest of all the braid to mono knots. I'm sure if the knot he tied will hold up on a 30# permit it will suffice for a 5# bass. 

[J Francho]

I encourage all my competitors to tie knots and avoid dressing them before cinching them. In just about every thread that deals with fluoro and knots, it's brought up how critical it is to wet your knot before tying. Suddenly I'm wrong to bring this up here? Oh wait, is it because I criticized someone's hero?

We aren't fishing for permit, and we're not using 30# leader. What works for that is irrelevant here. No matter how great an angler Jose was, he'd have been better if he tied better knots, and less film would be on the cutting room floor. Tie a knot like this with 20# brain and a 10# leader and tie a mangled mess down by the hook without dressing the line and you will end with a problem. You'll post up here about it, and EVERYONE will tell you what I just said. Tie a better knot and dress the line with saliva before cinching.

As far as what he used in the video, I don't tie a spider hitch like that, but it is good knot to double up the main line. When I used back to back Uni knots, doubling the mainline helped to join a much larger leader without pulling through. A proper Alberto is a stronger knot for our application.

An Snook, go ahead and pick on my failed knots. They failed before I ever fished them. That's why you test your knots.

[SirSnookalot]

What's relevant is the knot, not the species of fish.  Like many knots it can be tied with various line and leader diameters.  20# braid with a 10# leader is no problem, as with any knot if tied wrong it can be mangled.  There have been several knots mentioned, I don't recall any one saying which one was best but stating their preferences, the Jose knot is just another option.

The criticism appears to stem from a knot never being used or tried without tying it properly.

A pretty good time to say "Goodnight" on this one.

[J Francho]

so let's wrap it up - pun intended

Albright/Alberto: 15 replies

Back to back Uni knots: three replies

Triple Surgeon: one

J knot: one

Jose knot: one

[J Francho]

Single uni, not sure if ill explain well. But take fluro make a 180 and pinch it so its got an "eye" bring braid through wrap around fluro which will be doubled up, seven wraps and then back through hole. Some old guy in florida showed me. Caught alot of big snook amd reds never had breakage

That's an Albright. Good knot.

[shanksmare]

The FG knot is the smallest and the strongest of all the flouro to braid knots (reportedly). It is rather tedious to tie(at least for me). I have tied this knot 4 or 5 times and have never had the connection break. This is because it always falls apart before it reaches that stage. This knot is a work in progress for me and definately requires a bit of practice if I should choose to use it.

 

The moral of my sad tale is that its always better to tie a knot that you are proficient tieing. A well tied Blood knot is superior to a poorly tied Albright, Bristol or Alberto knot. Practice your knots at home while watching TV and make it a habit to lube your knots with saliva or water. When you are on the water take the time to tie the knot well rather than risk disappointment later.

[BasshunterJGH]

Blood knot. It's easy to tie and I haven't had any problems yet.

[J Francho]

Maybe I stink at it, but the FG mangled leaders around 4-6 lbs. I'll have to try again.

[paleus]

I tried tying the FG a few times just now. I could only get it to bite and hold about 3/10 times I tried it. The times it didn't hold the knot looked the same as the ones that held but the leader just slipped right out of the braid. I'm using 30lb PP with 12lb Trilene 100% Fluoro. It is really not that much smaller than the Alberto for line this size. I am gonna stick with the Alberto.

[SirSnookalot]

I've seen that video before, nothing wrong with the knot.  It's not practical for me, don't care to take the time to tie it.  It may be difficult on a rocking boat or on land if it's breezy outside.  I'm having no strength issues with my present knot, easy to tie and can do it under any conditions. Just another option if one is interested.

[J Francho]

Can't get the FG to stick with 50# braid and 12# CXX. I'd like this thing to work - it's easy to tie, easier than an Arberto.

[Alpha Male]

Easier yes... But, for me, more time consuming. I will try it but i dont use microguides so i will continue to use the alberto knot.

[J Francho]

It doesn't seem any more time consuming than an Alberto.

[paleus]

The Alberto seems easier to me as well since the line does not have to be under tension, but that also may be just because I have tied the Alberto more.