Super User Catt Posted March 9, 2015 Super User Posted March 9, 2015 Past genetic research focused mainly on the female but the ShareLunker program is showing the equally important role of the male's genetics. 2014 Nacogdoches Texas, a lake record of 12.54 lbs was caught on Lake Naconiche; genetic research showed some interesting facts. The mother was ShareLunker #370; 14.28 lbs from Falcon Lake. The grandmother was ShareLunker #187; 14.05 lbs from Lake Fork. The great-grandmother was ShareLunker #9; 16.13 lbs from Gibbons Creek. Plus ShareLunker #305; 14.67 lbs from Lake Fork. All 5 were from the same father; an almost 8 lb male. 2 Quote
Mattlures Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 That is a giant male. I don't think I have ever seen one that big 1 Quote
Super User Scott F Posted March 9, 2015 Super User Posted March 9, 2015 Past genetic research focused mainly on the female but the ShareLunker program is showing the equally important role of the male's genetics. 2014 Nacogdoches Texas, a lake record of 12.54 lbs was caught on Lake Naconiche; genetic research showed some interesting facts. The mother was ShareLunker #370; 14.28 lbs from Falcon Lake. The grandmother was ShareLunker #187; 14.05 lbs from Lake Fork. The great-grandmother was ShareLunker #9; 16.13 lbs from Gibbons Creek. Plus ShareLunker #305; 14.67 lbs from Lake Fork. All 5 were from the same father; an almost 8 lb male. How was it the father was spreading his seed in these different lakes? 1 Quote
Thornback Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 How was it the father was spreading his seed in these different lakes? He had a motorcycle 2 Quote
Super User scaleface Posted March 9, 2015 Super User Posted March 9, 2015 How was it the father was spreading his seed in these different lakes? Kind of confusing. I had to think about it for awhile . Quote
Super User Catt Posted March 9, 2015 Author Super User Posted March 9, 2015 Really! Y'all do not know what the Texas ShareLunker Program is? Quote
Super User Scott F Posted March 9, 2015 Super User Posted March 9, 2015 No, obviously, I dont. Why would I? I live in Illinois. DNR programs in Texas are not big news up North. I'd have to guess that the reproduction done in this program is done in a hatchery not the natural way. Quote
Super User scaleface Posted March 9, 2015 Super User Posted March 9, 2015 Really! Y'all do not know what the Texas ShareLunker Program is? I know about it. I had to think about it for awhile . LOL. I was thinking wild spawning fish . Quote
Mainebass1984 Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 Anglers in Texas are lucky to have this revolutionary program. It started out as just a experiment and has grown ever since. The results are undeniable. This program is way ahead of anything any other state is doing. At some point other states will start a similar program. Quote
Trenton Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 Glad to see that more programs like this are shining light on LMB genetics. A fishes size is dependent on a lot of things but it all starts with genes Quote
Super User Catt Posted March 9, 2015 Author Super User Posted March 9, 2015 Every lake in the state of Texas is manmade with the exception of Caddo. The native Texas Bass & Northern Bass that lived in streams/rivers was the only breeding stock. In 1971 TPWD brought the first Florida strain to the Tyler Fish Hatchery, state wide stocking started the following year. Over the next several years bass from Florida, California, & Cuba were brought to Texas to improve the genetics. The ShareLunker Program was established in 1986, since then 258 bass of 13 pounds plus has entered the program from 55 public reservoirs. These bass are now the breeding stock for the entire state of Texas; they spawn at the hatchery & then released back into their lake of origin. Many lake are doing the same program but starting out with 10 pound plus breeding stock. 5 Quote
Super User WRB Posted March 9, 2015 Super User Posted March 9, 2015 The #9 bass caught in Jan 1988 would have been hatched around 1975. The Tyler Texas hatchery must have had the male bass back near the beginning of this program, what did weigh then? And long did it live? I agree a male with the genes to grow over 24" long is very important, the same bass could be a 2 lb male with the same genes at a younger age. The question become would a giant female lay eggs in a 2 lb males nest in the wild? I have watch several big females trying to lay eggs in a big males nest, indicates these big females prefer big males are very rare bass. You also see big females laying eggs in a 2 lb males nest. Back in '71 I caught a 6.7 oz old male at San Vincente lake, 25" long. Larry Botroff, the biologist who headed the FLMB program for San Diego city lakes examined this bass, removed a scale and we released old timer. Larry later told me that was one of the largest males he had examined. There are fewer big males in the wild then giant females and that could explain why the population crash in California without a program like Share a Lunker. Tom Quote
Super User J Francho Posted March 9, 2015 Super User Posted March 9, 2015 Genetics play less a part than food and habitat. Quote
Super User Catt Posted March 9, 2015 Author Super User Posted March 9, 2015 WRB, the Lake Naconiche bass at 12.54 lbs was only 5 years old; that's 2.508 per year. The legal size limit on Toledo Bend is 14" & will weigh between 1 1/2 - 2 lbs...yearlings! J Franco, when Texas built those lakes/reservoirs they had the food & the habitat but not the genes, their records were 6-7 lbs. Quote
Super User J Francho Posted March 9, 2015 Super User Posted March 9, 2015 No, they stocked the wrong species at first. Quote
Super User Catt Posted March 9, 2015 Author Super User Posted March 9, 2015 No, they stocked the wrong species at first. Their top 14 smallmouth are all over 7 lbs Quote
RSM789 Posted March 10, 2015 Posted March 10, 2015 So this bass's daddy also mated with grandma & great grandma? Are you sure this didn't occur in West Virginia? 2 Quote
Super User J Francho Posted March 10, 2015 Super User Posted March 10, 2015 Was talking about Florida largemouth, Catt. Quote
Super User WRB Posted March 10, 2015 Super User Posted March 10, 2015 WRB, the Lake Naconiche bass at 12.54 lbs was only 5 years old; that's 2.508 per year. The legal size limit on Toledo Bend is 14" & will weigh between 1 1/2 - 2 lbs...yearlings! J Franco, when Texas built those lakes/reservoirs they had the food & the habitat but not the genes, their records were 6-7 lbs. Catt the Share a Lunker program is outstanding!Tom Quote
paul. Posted March 10, 2015 Posted March 10, 2015 i have always felt like genetics determine what the growth "ceiling" can be in a particular fish IF all other variables (food, habitat, climate) are at optimum levels. we are all looking for the bass with good genetics that has lived in optimum conditions. that's what makes a "trophy" fish, whatever that means in our particular part of the country. but if i have to choose between a bass with good genetics that's lived poor conditions and a bass with poor genetics that's lived in optimum conditions, i'll take the later. i don't think anyone can argue with the success of texas sharelunker program. the results speak for themselves. but it is ironic that most of the largest bass on record in the U.S. were caught in california which developed an "accidental" lunker program simply by stocking trout in their lakes. go figure. 1 Quote
Super User Catt Posted March 10, 2015 Author Super User Posted March 10, 2015 paul, Texas stocking of FLMB started in 1972, California stocking started in the 1950s. If I remember right the Texas record is 18.18 lbs but I know of anglers who have caught 19 lbs plus & one 20 lb. Quote
Super User J Francho Posted March 10, 2015 Super User Posted March 10, 2015 Don't know if they'll produce a world record, but they certainly churn out some big ones. Quote
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