RSM789 Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 Guys, if you've never planted piles, then you have no idea. One out of every 50 piles planted will consistently produce fish... That ratio is way off, especially on older lakes or ones with very little cover on deep structure. I'm sure if you dropped brushpiles in a lake full of standing timber, then your 1 in 50 number might be true. In every other body of water, unless you are planting them nowhere near structure, then the ratio will be much, much higher. My personal experience is closer to 90% consistent production of fish, on a lake devoid of any natural deep water cover. Depending on the exact location, they may be more productive in certain seasons, but they are very predictable places to find fish for years. 1
Brocephus Fishing Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 For all we know, those brush piles could have long been planted before the classic. And if he did plant 50+ such piles then I would imagine it fair game to all those in the tournament. Still doesn't mean the fish will bite around those areas. Now if he was hiding baskets somewhere that would be a different arguement...well not much of one since it would be completely illegal, obviously. However, far too much integrity (I believe) at that level to ever do so. So, plant those brush piles and allow the fish to hold to them if they will. Then hope and pray those fish hold to the "key ones". Home field advantage if you will.
massrob Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 Odell Beckham's "greatest catch" wasn't very sporting either considering he was wearing gloves. For those that question the sportiness of this where do you gentleman suggest the rule should be changed to? If the rule becomes Elite Series anglers are not allowed to plant cover...what would the requirements be if the Elite angler was fishing a Southern Open? Could they plant cover for that event? Would they be able to fish that known cover if the Elite series visited that same lake the following year? If the rule is no structure planting allowed at any level, what would the requirements be for FLW pros when they visit a lake as an Elite Series angler where they had previously planted cover? Even more confusing is what if FLW/BASS both prevent installing man made cover. Do they prevent anglers from fishing spots they planted when they were 16? you've got to be kidding me that was the greatest catch ever. Because he was wearing gloves it wasn't "sporting" what does that even mean. Everyone has been wearing gloves in football for 40 years. I'm a Patriots fan and hate the Giants but that was the best catch I've ever seen. Ridiculous to say it's not because he was wearing gloves. 1
Super User Lund Explorer Posted February 21, 2015 Super User Posted February 21, 2015 So if he wins the classic, will BPS have a special sale on the lures he used, or just on bundles of tree branches? Guys, we are totally overthinking this.With the kind of money that is on the line here- the OTHER COMPETITORS would have called foul on this long before we even heard about it.This means-A ) they're all doing itB ) they dont care. I've got to agree. So if he wins, do you think BPS will be running a sale on the lures he used, or just on bundles of tree branches? 3
Super User scaleface Posted February 21, 2015 Super User Posted February 21, 2015 That ratio is way off, especially on older lakes or ones with very little cover on deep structure. I'm sure if you dropped brushpiles in a lake full of standing timber, then your 1 in 50 number might be true. In every other body of water, unless you are planting them nowhere near structure, then the ratio will be much, much higher. My personal experience is closer to 90% consistent production of fish, on a lake devoid of any natural deep water cover. Depending on the exact location, they may be more productive in certain seasons, but they are very predictable places to find fish for years. All the planted brush piles I fish at a couple local lakes attract bass. Every single one of them.
Super User scaleface Posted February 21, 2015 Super User Posted February 21, 2015 While it might be legal, in my opinion, it's just not sporting, at all... I understand what you are saying not being sporting . I remember when people started bringing cel phones to tournaments. Now, I was not competing against individuals , I was competing against teams. Not against the rules but not very sporting either.
Super User A-Jay Posted February 21, 2015 Super User Posted February 21, 2015 Guys, we are totally overthinking this. With the kind of money that is on the line here- the OTHER COMPETITORS would have called foul on this long before we even heard about it. This means- A ) they're all doing it B ) they dont care. The underlined text above has been the root source as to why many a man has given away their integrity. Ethics is doing what's right when you're the only one who will ever know. This rubs me the wrong way and as a Fan of this event and This angler in particular, I'm disappointed. A-Jay 5
Trek Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 Several lakes near me they lower the lakes in the winter so they can control flooding later in the spring. There are brush piles everywhere. This is nothing new to any lake. With all the new electronics I would think he would have been better off looking for what was already there. If it's a good holding area then someone has something on it. After listening to the first day it looks like a lot of the fish weighed in came from suspended over deep water. And many of the coves had ice cover. I don't think fishing bush piles was much of a factor.
Super User Montanaro Posted February 21, 2015 Super User Posted February 21, 2015 So he plants some cover on his HOME lake? It is not like he traveled to Clear Lake and dropped some rubber noodles right before a tournament. 1
Weld's Largemouth Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 Mike Iaconelli is fishing one of Casey's brush piles right now haha
Super User A-Jay Posted February 21, 2015 Super User Posted February 21, 2015 So he plants some cover on his HOME lake? It is not like he traveled to Clear Lake and dropped some rubber noodles right before a tournament. Yes it is. A-Jay 1
Bass_Fanatic Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 I wish it was as easy as a lot of y'all make it. I would drop piles before every tournament and win em all! Guys, just because there is a pile there does NOT mean there will be fish or that you will catch fish.
kikstand454 Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 A jay, I apologize for stating something that rubbed you the wrong way. ..and I'm not sure you took it the way I intended it. But my point was, its a competition with alot of money at stake. If something was unfair or cheating, the other competitors would blow the whistle long before we heard about it. But they haven't. So this leads me to believe that they're either ALL DOING IT in some capacity or another- or they DONT CARE that someone else is doing it because they don't feel its a major advantage. Probably a combination of both. So if THEY aren't worried about. ... I don't see why we should be. 1
Logan S Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 Of all the things that are now common in modern bass fishing, pulling the 'sporting' card on dropping brushpiles is funny to me. It's been around as long as the sport has and has been a long accepted practice of enhancing a spot. I can honestly say this is first I've ever heard of bass fisherman believing it to be negative or unsporting practice...Everyone's got their own way of looking at things, though...It doesn't bother me any. If Ashley wins it will be because he turned in 3 impressive days of fishing in tough and changing conditions against the best fisherman in the world....Nothing more, nothing less. 2
Super User A-Jay Posted February 21, 2015 Super User Posted February 21, 2015 A jay, I apologize for stating something that rubbed you the wrong way. ..and I'm not sure you took it the way I intended it. But my point was, its competition with alot of money at stake. If something was unfair or cheating, the other competitors would blow the whistle long before we heard about it. But the haven't. So this leads me to believe that they're either ALL. DOING IT in some capacity or another- or they DONT CARE that someone is doing it because they don't feel its a major advantage. Probably a combination of both. So if THEY aren't worried about. ... I don't see why we should be. It's all good. I have no problem at all with an angler looking to enhance an environment by pumping up the cover legally. In this particular case, I'll simply say the timing was not the best. I'm moving on now. A-Jay
Super User F14A-B Posted February 21, 2015 Super User Posted February 21, 2015 Sporting card? Lol, ok, Bass Boats approaching One Hundred Grand, Electronics on board at 10 grand, GPS, the "Best" lakes for LMB in the world, arguably the "Best" fisherman in the world, incidentally these lakes Already have massive amounts of structure, cover, baitfish, and I dare say " Real Brush piles" either previously planted aka, "Christmas trees" or now as common " PVC" Rubber, or perhaps i should just refer to them as synthetic. Apparently the fisherman with all of this at his disposal, feels the need to drop those plastic pieces in the lake? But, it's "Legal" so there ya go...whatever it is, I don't see it as "Sporting".. 2
Bass_Fanatic Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 How is it any different fishing a pile you find a that someone else put out or putting out your own?
jwwoodjr Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 I don't see the problem. Unless he did it when the lake was off limits or they're invisible to sonar there's no unfair advantage. The other competitors had every chance to find them like any other brush pile added by anglers. Plus now Hartwell has 50 more brush piles that will provide cover for fish in the future.
RSM789 Posted February 22, 2015 Posted February 22, 2015 How is it any different fishing a pile you find a that someone else put out or putting out your own? I would suggest it is like insider trading. If a brush pile is planted by someone not associated with the tournament, then all competitors are on equal footing as far as being able to find it. If a competitor plants it, he has insider knowledge that gives him an advantage over the rest of the field (in theory). That said, I believe most of the guys in the Classic have the talent to beat another angler who has that kind of knowledge. if it was a bunch of yahoos like me fishing, then planting brush piles would be a distinct advantage. Look how often guys with home lake advantage don't win tournaments in the Elite series. It has to be a real unique fishery like the Delaware river for the hometown guy to dominate.
redux Posted February 22, 2015 Posted February 22, 2015 I think Don Barone's "Open Letter" to Casey is his way of calling Casey out on this issue and a challenge to not rely on those piles.
Super User Lund Explorer Posted February 22, 2015 Super User Posted February 22, 2015 Rumor has it that Casey has picked up the NE Patriots as a sponsor! 5
Trek Posted February 22, 2015 Posted February 22, 2015 I have fished tournaments for over 20 years. It seems like every year there is somebody saying somebody else is doing this or that and that's why they can't beat them. Or his motor is faster, he can fish during the week and I can't or how about he gets inside information that no one else gets. I just hate the guy that wants to change the rules to help him win. The fact is Casey is an awesome fisherman and that's why he's in the Classic. I say " Shut up and fish ! " 2
BaitMonkey1984 Posted February 22, 2015 Posted February 22, 2015 Rumor has it that Casey has picked up the NE Patriots as a sponsor! And it looks like he is going to follow suit and win this deal- just like my beloved Pats (AGAIN). 2
Super User everythingthatswims Posted February 23, 2015 Super User Posted February 23, 2015 Let's build featureless concrete pits with no cover, stock them with a sterile strain of bass that maxes out at 5lbs, regulate the water temperature so it's 65 degrees year-round, make everyone use the same equipment, and take away their fishfinders. Bass fishing isn't comparable to other sports IMO and rules can't make it that way. Lucking into an 8-10 pound kicker would be like a touchdown randomly counting as 15 points, a regulation ball would be like having a regulation crankbait. Casey Ashley didn't break any rules, theoretically speaking anyone in the classic could plant as many brush piles as they wanted, so it's fine by me. 6
Super User scaleface Posted February 23, 2015 Super User Posted February 23, 2015 Not a single person said Casey was breaking any rules.
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