Super User OkobojiEagle Posted February 16, 2015 Super User Posted February 16, 2015 I'm a do-it-yourselfer when it comes to reel maintenance and so far I've not lost any parts during the process. As my reels and hands age, I want to have on hand a few of the most commonly needed maintenance parts for the Curado and Chronarch reels. Please add to my list (besides bearings): level wind pawl, e-clips, side plate screws, ???. Thanks oe
Super User A-Jay Posted February 16, 2015 Super User Posted February 16, 2015 I don't know about you guys, but every once in a while my magic anti-backlash button goes Kaput. A-Jay
Super User fishballer06 Posted February 16, 2015 Super User Posted February 16, 2015 Bearing retainer clips love to magically fly away on me...
FloridaFishinFool Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 The most common parts to replace are the plastic parts that receive the most wear. First and foremost is the pinion yoke. Next would be clutch cam and brake shoes would be on the top of my list. Next I'd check drag washers and the line guide if it is really old to see if there is any wear or grooving issues needing to be replaced. Most other parts are either metal or just don't get a lot of wear like the ones I mentioned above. Replace as needed, but definitely keep some of those yokes and brake shoes in stock!
Super User J Francho Posted February 16, 2015 Super User Posted February 16, 2015 I've never had a bearing, pawl, or frame screw wear out on my own reels. E clips and retainer springs can break or get lost. The only parts that wear down with normal use would be the drag washers, which can be replaced with Carbontex that last indefinitely, and spool shims, ehich will never wear out if you use light spoil tension. 1
Delaware Valley Tackle Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 The chances of a level wind pawl going bad with zero impact on the worm gear is low. The pair isn't that expensive so I'd recommend changing both if there's a problem. 1
Super User F14A-B Posted February 16, 2015 Super User Posted February 16, 2015 Drag click components ( pin&spring) a couple side plate screws in the event you would round one out..
0119 Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 Belleville washers, the ones that look like- (). They loose their springiness and reduce your drags performance.
Super User FishTank Posted February 16, 2015 Super User Posted February 16, 2015 Drag washers, brakes and bearings are the only things I have replaced on my reels.
Super User OkobojiEagle Posted February 16, 2015 Author Super User Posted February 16, 2015 Wore out line guide pawls on a couple Abu C models... line guides that don't disengage with the cast apparently doubles the wear. Wearing a pinion yoke out would surprise me. oe
FloridaFishinFool Posted February 17, 2015 Posted February 17, 2015 Wearing a pinion yoke out would surprise me. If you look inside your curado reels the part that wears the most and the fastest is the pinion yoke. You will find a piece of plastic who's job it is to hold in place (retrieve position) or move (cast position) a spinning piece of brass- the pinion gear- each and every time you push the cast button or reset it on the retrieve. And even when the reel is engaged and the brass pinion gear is spinning, it is spinning held in place by that plastic yoke and nothing else. When you have a brass gear with sharp edges on each gear tooth grinding on the plastic yoke every time you turn that handle what do you think is going to give? It is the plastic yoke. Like you I have curado reels. 8 of them. I have been maintaining them for more than 10 years. And the only part I have to replace more than any other is the pinion yoke because Shimano uses only a piece of plastic for the yoke. In other reels they make the pinion yoke out of solid metal, but even that wears out, and on yet other reels they try and compensate for this wear by placing either a plastic washer on the pinion gear itself to ride in between the gear teeth and the plastic yoke, or they add a metal steel collar to the plastic yoke to prevent the wear I am describing. So let me show you from my own reels. Here is a worn out yoke from one of my curado B series reels. The camera angle does not show the wear all that well, but the following photos should. In the following image I turned the worn yoke up on a brand new yoke below. Can you see the angle wear along the top of the yoke where the pinion gear rests? The new one below shows a perfectly 90 degree angle, while the worn one does not... Here is the pinion gear inserted into place on the worn yoke. I have circled in yellow the wear pattern under the brass gear. Notice it is no longer a perfect 90 degrees all the way around the yoke where the brass pinion gear sits. Now remember, this plastic yoke is all that there is in the reel to keep the brass pinion gear where it is suppose to be to mesh with the main drive gear and also connect up to the spool at just the right precise location. Worn plastic yokes allow that pinion gear to "float" around and find a new location to rest and worse of all wobble around in there possibly causing gear misalignments! Replace worn yokes! This is a regular maintenance issue. #1 on my list. Nothing else inside any of my reels wears as fast or as much as what you see here. Nothing. Here is the same brass pinion gear now inserted into a brand new yoke. Notice the perfect 90 degree angles different from the worn yoke above??? Here is a Penn metal yoke. Notice the wear??? This is a common maintenance issue and should be number one on anyone's list who cares about maintaining their reels to like new condition. Some manufacturers have compensated for this wear issue by upgrading and improving their plastic yokes with a steel collar designed to prevent the Shimano wear shown above. Unfortunately the JDM Shimano corporation has not done this, but the Korean made Bass Pro and Browning reels do have it! You asked what are the common maintenance issues with baitcast reels and this is one of the most important and probably most overlooked too. Not in my reels! 2
Super User J Francho Posted February 17, 2015 Super User Posted February 17, 2015 Umm, that has ZERO influence on performance. All the pinion yoke does is move the pinion gear out of engagement with the main gear. Yoke springs put the pinion back into engagement with the main gear. All the while, the pinion is supported on the spool shaft, and in some reels (Daiwa, Shimano w/ X-Ship) a bearing on the frame and almost always supported by a bearing on the crank side plate. A little wear on the yoke actually IMPROVES performance, in both smoothness and speed of engagement. However, replacing the yoke isn't going to hurt anything, but it's much ado about nothing.
FloridaFishinFool Posted February 17, 2015 Posted February 17, 2015 The yoke is designed to keep the pinion gear in a certain place in alignment with the drive gear, and not too tightly shoved down onto the spool connection. The very fact it wears the yoke as seen above proves the pinion gear wants to move outside of the position engineers designed it to be at- and the yoke resists this movement getting worn down in the process. Some manufacturers put a washer on the pinion gear itself to stop this wear. I also showed an image of an improved yoke with a steel collar added designed to stop this type of wear. Designed to keep the pinion gear in a particular location inside the reel for a reason. This is done by professional engineers who design and build reels for a living. So if you think a pinion gear being shoved down through the plastic yoke more tightly jammed up against the spool is not a regular maintenance issue and much ado about nothing, you are certainly welcome to your opinion. My local Shimano dealer would also disagree with your assessment. I surely do not want my pinion gear being jammed up against the spool tighter and tighter with each use. I'd like for my pinion gear to float on the spool shaft exactly where the engineers designed it to be so my reels stay smooth. This thread was started by someone asking about common maintenance issues. I put one out there and you shot it down. ***Also you should be aware that these forums are intended for the sharing of knowledge and experience. People have to want to contribute. When you undermine and shoot down someone's genuine attempts at sharing information, you take away the future willingness to contribute. Why should anyone post anything if people just jump in to shoot it down? Then what is the point of sharing? What you have just done is a negative. I went through a lot of trouble to take images to show the common maintenance issue and you shot it down as nothing. Don't expect people to contribute if all you are going to do is shoot them down.
Zimobass Posted February 17, 2015 Posted February 17, 2015 Perhaps your reels are different to those that I use. In 35 years of using Shimano, and servicing and maintaining them, I have never had to replace a pinion yoke.That includes thousands of reels that I service for others. I do believe the OP asked for common maintenance parts, so the Moderator does have a point.
FloridaFishinFool Posted February 17, 2015 Posted February 17, 2015 I guess it revolves around how much a reel is used. If you hardly use your reels in 35 years I can understand your point, but for my 13 year old Shimano curado's I have had to replace the yoke in each one about every 3 or 4 years because I use them all the time. There is no other part inside a reel (like mine) that wears as much or as fast as the yoke. I have been repairing reels for about 35 years as well and from my experience yokes are the part I replace most often. It is a common maintenance issue for people who use their reels as heavily as I do. This issue also revolves around the design of the yoke too. A plastic yoke wears out faster than one with a steel collar or a pinion gear with a washer between the gears and plastic yoke. The moderator should encourage discussion not shoot people down and discourage anyone from contributing. His point was lost on me, but the shoot down was not. If I follow the "logic" of his opinion then regular maintenance is a non issue since worn parts just makes a reel work better- worn gears, worn yokes, wear everything down and heck the reels are just better and smoother. I guess the reel engineers should design reels like that to begin with and forget maintenance since worn is better. That is how it comes across like it or not.
Super User J Francho Posted February 17, 2015 Super User Posted February 17, 2015 Did you just accuse anyone that doesn't agree with your opinion of not fishing? See how far that attitude gets you. I think we've exhausted all things besides muffler bearings that can go wrong with a reel. 2
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