Super User Redlinerobert Posted February 9, 2015 Super User Posted February 9, 2015 I just left a friends house, and for whatever reason the topic of vaccines came up. Turns out his three boys are not vaccinated, which kind of shocked me. Reasoning? "Big pharm is just out to get you". I consider him an intelligent individual, and quite honestly I'm perplexed by his choice.Any members here feel the same or have friends that are in that category? I simply do not agree with the reasoning. Quote
Super User gardnerjigman Posted February 9, 2015 Super User Posted February 9, 2015 Not me. I personally believe those that don't allow there kids to be vaccinated selfish individuals. If you don't want it... Great, but don't make your kids suffer. 2 Quote
Super User buzzed bait Posted February 9, 2015 Super User Posted February 9, 2015 just a lot of mis-information spread around on the topic Quote
Super User K_Mac Posted February 9, 2015 Super User Posted February 9, 2015 Redline this is just too political and divisive to last very long here. There are many that think big pharmaceutical companies and big government are not qualified or empowered to make decisions concerning the health their children. We will not solve that here. Quote
Super User clayton86 Posted February 9, 2015 Super User Posted February 9, 2015 Only one I'm against really is that dumb flu shot. They wanted to give it to my daughter this weekend since were in the hospital for her hands. I told them hell no I got it and got the flu twice now she's been around the flu and been just fine I'm not giving my little girl that shot. Everything else she's up to date 1 Quote
ABW Posted February 9, 2015 Posted February 9, 2015 Around here, a lot of the Amish have that kind of mindset. Probably because of their culture and beliefs. Quote
Super User F14A-B Posted February 9, 2015 Super User Posted February 9, 2015 Yes, my children most certainly have... As for elaborating on the subject further, no comment! Quote
Matthew2000 Posted February 9, 2015 Posted February 9, 2015 Everything but the flu shot is what I have. Flu shots are a special kind of stupid, oh here lemme get a shot of a virus that may not even be the right virus, that way I can't get sick twice and for no good reason. Quote
Super User Redlinerobert Posted February 9, 2015 Author Super User Posted February 9, 2015 I for one do get the flu shot. The one year I didn't get it (last year) I was sick as a dog for a few months. Quote
Super User Fishing Rhino Posted February 9, 2015 Super User Posted February 9, 2015 Vaccinations being required are nothing new. A smallpox vaccination was a requirement in order to attend public schools when I was a kid. I'm 73, so that goes back a few decades.  Smallpox was eradicated as a health problem as a result. I remember when Jonas Salk developed polio vaccine. It was a serious problem prior to that. Today, you rarely, if ever hear about polio.  But, here's my thought. I believe vaccines are effective, and believe them to be in the best interest everyone. Having said that, if vaccines are effective, those who opt out of being vaccinated pose no threat to those who have been vaccinated.  It's a case of "herd immunity". 1 Quote
RSM789 Posted February 9, 2015 Posted February 9, 2015 One question that I haven't heard answered on the subject -  If you have had your kids vaccinated, why does it matter if the non vaccinated kids are in school with them? I realize the non-vaccinated kids can catch whatever disease is in question, but aren't the vaccinated kids safe from it? That was the whole reason for vaccinating them, to stop them from getting said diseases.  In other words, if a non-vaccinated kid can catch a disease & pass it on to a vaccinated kid, exactly what are we vaccinating kids from?   As an aside, the largest groups of people who don't vaccinate their kids are upper income who live on either coast. ironically, this is the same group who are the most vocal supporters of man caused global warming. 2 Quote
Super User Redlinerobert Posted February 9, 2015 Author Super User Posted February 9, 2015 People forget that the average age expectancy of cavemen who ate organic and exercised non stop and did not have big pharma poisoning them was 30. Quote
BasshunterJGH Posted February 9, 2015 Posted February 9, 2015 People forget that the average age expectancy of cavemen who ate organic and exercised non stop and did not have big pharma poisoning them was 30. Methusalah lived to be 1000 and he didn't get vaccinated. 2 Quote
Super User K_Mac Posted February 9, 2015 Super User Posted February 9, 2015 The kids most at risk are the ones too young to be vaccinated. Measles is no threat to those vaccinated. EDIT: After some quick research; kids can be inoculated at between 12 and 15 months; second dose at 4-5 years; between doses vacine is 90-95% effective; vaccine is not 100% effective; as the percentage of vaccinated goes down the incidence of disease increases at a much higher percentage. Quote
Super User F14A-B Posted February 9, 2015 Super User Posted February 9, 2015 People forget that the average age expectancy of cavemen who ate organic and exercised non stop and did not have big pharma poisoning them was 30. I know your point, but.. T-Rex ate them before smallpox had a chance, lol Quote
Cgrinder Posted February 9, 2015 Posted February 9, 2015 Speaking as someone who works in pharmacy and long-term care, Big Pharm is in fact out to get you, just not through vaccines. Apparently whooping cough is a thing again in my area; good thing I stab myself with rusty hooks all the time and it's bundled with the tetanus shot now. Â Also get flu shots unless you're sensitive to them or you really like fevers. I won't judge. Quote
Global Moderator Bluebasser86 Posted February 9, 2015 Global Moderator Posted February 9, 2015 The issue I have with the non vaccinated kids is that they can be around infants that are too young to get vaccinated for certain things yet. My wife and I have been very concerned about the measles cases that keep popping up with our son just now getting to the age where he can get his first shot to prevent it. 1 Quote
Super User Lund Explorer Posted February 9, 2015 Super User Posted February 9, 2015 It is impossible to understand a society that calls Child Protective Services when children play outside without parental supervision, and yet cheers on freedom when those same parents refuse to immunize their kids from curable illnesses. Â Now if we only had a vaccine that would cure idiocy! 4 Quote
Super User Fishing Rhino Posted February 9, 2015 Super User Posted February 9, 2015 It is impossible to understand a society that calls Child Protective Services when children play outside without parental supervision, and yet cheers on freedom when those same parents refuse to immunize their kids from curable illnesses.  Now if we only had a vaccine that would cure idiocy!  Make that preventable illnesses.  But, while I agree with you that it would be nice to have a cure for idiocy, one of the freedoms that we enjoy is the right, or liberty to be idiots.  For example, I happen to think that those who enjoy free climbing of sheer rocky cliffs to be "idiots", I celebrate their right to pursue those activities which put their lives at stake.  If I climb more than a few steps on a ladder I get a nosebleed. I don't like heights. I can get used to it when working on our home, but it takes a while. When I put up pump jacks, I must have a solid platform, and sturdy outer rails so I can't tumble backward off the staging planks. 1 Quote
Super User Sam Posted February 9, 2015 Super User Posted February 9, 2015 Nope. Believer vaccinations do more good than bad. Â Also, for all of you 50 and over, have you gotten your pneumonia and shingles shots? Â What about your colonoscopy? Â Annual physical? Â Going to your dermatologist for a skin cancer checkup once a year? Â Making it to your eye doctor for very important eye checkups?Everyone of all ages getting your tetanus shot and then the annual booster? Â Yes, vaccinations are for the youngsters to help protect the population from various diseases, especially those brought in from Central and South America, but we older guys and gals need to take care of our selves, too. Quote
Super User Fishing Rhino Posted February 9, 2015 Super User Posted February 9, 2015 Nope. Believer vaccinations do more good than bad.  Also, for all of you 50 and over, have you gotten your pneumonia and shingles shots?  What about your colonoscopy?  Annual physical?  Going to your dermatologist for a skin cancer checkup once a year?  Making it to your eye doctor for very important eye checkups? Everyone of all ages getting your tetanus shot and then the annual booster?  Yes, vaccinations are for the youngsters to help protect the population from various diseases, especially those brought in from Central and South America, but we older guys and gals need to take care of our selves, too.  Yes, to all but the tetanus. They are good for ten years, but I do get a booster at around seven years.  But to make up for that, you can add the urologist to the list for me, and the dentist.  The dentist is as important as any others on the list. Tooth infections can damage heart valves. Quote
Super User BrianinMD Posted February 9, 2015 Super User Posted February 9, 2015 the unfortunate part is those most at risk are babies who are to young and kids with cancer who cannot get the shots. Being around someone who gets a preventable disease could be a death sentence to them. 1 Quote
Super User Bankbeater Posted February 9, 2015 Super User Posted February 9, 2015 My kids have everything but flu shots. Over the years I have seen the vaccinations make people sicker than catching the actual flu bug. Quote
Super User Lund Explorer Posted February 9, 2015 Super User Posted February 9, 2015 Make that preventable illnesses.  But, while I agree with you that it would be nice to have a cure for idiocy, one of the freedoms that we enjoy is the right, or liberty to be idiots.  For example, I happen to think that those who enjoy free climbing of sheer rocky cliffs to be "idiots", I celebrate their right to pursue those activities which put their lives at stake.  If I climb more than a few steps on a ladder I get a nosebleed. I don't like heights. I can get used to it when working on our home, but it takes a while. When I put up pump jacks, I must have a solid platform, and sturdy outer rails so I can't tumble backward off the staging planks.  Okay, its called preventable.  As far as the idiocy part. Any guesses at how many of these parents that don't vaccinate their children would scream bloody murder if Little Johnny brought a peanut butter sandwich to the school their brats where in? And then I have to wonder how many of these people own a dog, and if they've gotten a rabies shot lately.  When people rely on the medical advice of a playmate, its time to stop the world, so I can get off! Quote
Super User gardnerjigman Posted February 9, 2015 Super User Posted February 9, 2015 The issue I have with the non vaccinated kids is that they can be around infants that are too young to get vaccinated for certain things yet. My wife and I have been very concerned about the measles cases that keep popping up with our son just now getting to the age where he can get his first shot to prevent it.  Bingo. Should be the only argument needed right there folks! Quote
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