Super User Jeff H Posted January 18, 2015 Super User Posted January 18, 2015 I don't think you'll find anybody that's really tried this will say throwing actual weight of 1/8 oz is easy on any rod/reel combo. Â I have fished 1/16 oz heads on small tubes (2-1/2" stubbys etc) and total weight probably exceeds actual weight of 1/8 oz. Â I don't weigh this crap, not that freaky about it. Â I throw 1/16 and 1/8 oz Charlie Brewer Pro Series Slider w/Producto 4" Tournament worms on 6 lb line a LOT. Â I can get approx 40-45 ft with these provided I'm not bucking a wind. Â It's not easy, but it's not impossible. Â I've got a Presso going on a custom rod that I'll be using 4lb line on this season and I'm pretty sure it will throw 1/8 oz more than 45 ft. Â If I can get 50 ft I'll be more than happy with it. Quote
bootytrain Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 Theres a difference between casting 1/8th oz and casting 1/8th oz for distance and accuracy. I was able to cast a 1/8th drop shot weight with my Aldebaran BFS on a 6'9 Volkey UL about 110 ft. Now throw on a 1/8 oz rapala ultra light minnow Id be lucky to get 60-70 ft due to the aerodynamics and density. That being said, the Revo LT is gonna eat all others in the 200 or less range and even some more expensive BFS reels. Its basically an aluminum framed LTX/LTZ. Same superlight shallow spool that weights 8.2 grams. Order from Japan today, you should get it by next weekend. $176 plus shipping, should put you right at $200. 2 Quote
Super User QUAKEnSHAKE Posted January 18, 2015 Super User Posted January 18, 2015 Two actual reels that I do own that throw light weight better than a 50E supertuned, with no spool upgrade is... under 200 is ***, and over 200 is Helios Air. That's all throwing a 4" yum dinger wacky rigged weightless and a 1\8 ounce plus 2" grub on the same rod, line, etc... Ive weighed a 4" Dinger and it came in at .23005oz so with hook you're around 1/4oz. Ive owned a Helios and yes would say the Air would be quite capable, the Helios was. Quote
Jaheff Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 Ive weighed a 4" Dinger and it came in at .23005oz so with hook you're around 1/4oz. Ive owned a Helios and yes would say the Air would be quite capable, the Helios was. The Helios Air is the most versatile reel ive ever owned. Can throw light weight baits and 3\4 ounce baits effectively. I was Carolina riggin with it Friday. 1 Quote
masterbass Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 Nice setups, what you thinking of putting the Scorpion on? dx702, phenix recon2 or m1. Still not sure yet. Quote
Cgrinder Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 Under $200, Shimano 50 is my recommendation. You should be able to get one for ~150 and put the extra money into Carbontex washers and a supertune. I feel that to make Alphas variants truly special, you have to put more than $200 into them. Ask me how I know! Quote
Arv Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 You could get away with a 50 size shimano, but I would look at upgrading the spool when possible. In really not familiar with the daiwa reels that could be capable of handling those weights. Quote
cyclops2 Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 I am amazed at the technology we have that can allow a level wind to chuck a 1/16 oz. I have to unwind about 100' & let it unwind as I wind up the 2# mono. It gets storage coils. Even the braids get coils. I just let out line behind the boat for a couple of minutes. Done   Edit  1st dry cast is perfect. Next wet line cast is a joke.   Load the reel with a weight forward or a shooting head & a 4# leader. Then the 1/16 should cast nicely Quote
Super User new2BC4bass Posted January 19, 2015 Super User Posted January 19, 2015 Since there are so many stock reels that are capable of casting 1/8th oz weight, can someone post some video of them casting a 1/8th oz naked jig head on a stock reel. I have tried this on a lot of rod and reel combinations, many with upgraded spools and bearings, and I have not found it easy to do with any of them. Help me out with some video, please.   I'll stand in line to watch these videos as well.   I must be doing something wrong. I have two rods rated down to 1/8 - 1\2. My super tuned 50e cant throw 1\8 on them. but it does throw 1\4 ounce total weight pretty good.   I've tried 1/8 oz. on a Falcon Expert Light rated down to 1/16 oz. Was using an older gold colored Carbonlite. Maybe not the best reel I have for light weights, but throws a 3/16 oz. Shad Rap quite a ways. Haven't tried 1/8 oz. on any of my rods rated down to 1/8 oz. yet.   I have an upgraded Sol, bearings, drag, handle, level wind bearing, all the usual stuff. I don't find it that great at casting 1/8th oz baits. In fact I own a couple of very upgraded Fuego's and with the 100M spool installed I find them the better caster, but still not great at 1/8oz.   One of my Sols was tuned and upgraded by e_bassfisher (purchased used). Seller was pretty sure it has ABEC9 bearings in it. I put a Presso spool in it. Unfortunately I spooled 10# Super Natural on it as I was putting it on a rod not designed for the real low weight baits. Need to spool some 6# and give it a fair shot on another rod. DVT did a thorough cleaning on my other Sol. Haven't tried below a 3/16 oz. spinnerbait with it (and we all know they weigh more than 3/16 oz.), but I doubt I can throw 1/8 oz. with it.   At 1/8oz what do you guys feel would be a respectable distance for sub $200 reels?...sub $100 reels?   I'd like to know as well.   I don't think you'll find anybody that's really tried this will say throwing actual weight of 1/8 oz is easy on any rod/reel combo.  I have fished 1/16 oz heads on small tubes (2-1/2" stubbys etc) and total weight probably exceeds actual weight of 1/8 oz.  I don't weigh this crap, not that freaky about it.  I throw 1/16 and 1/8 oz Charlie Brewer Pro Series Slider w/Producto 4" Tournament worms on 6 lb line a LOT.  I can get approx 40-45 ft with these provided I'm not bucking a wind.  It's not easy, but it's not impossible.  I've got a Presso going on a custom rod that I'll be using 4lb line on this season and I'm pretty sure it will throw 1/8 oz more than 45 ft.  If I can get 50 ft I'll be more than happy with it.   Jeff, you apparently aren't reading the right forums....or maybe not the right threads. Quite a few state this is easy and they have only been using a baitcaster for a few weeks.  Normally they are using something like a $99 Lews, a Black Max, etc. and a MHF rod.  I recently received a PXL (nearly had a heart attack pressing the SUBMIT). Thought about 4# mono, but an experienced tournament fisherman said for bass fishing I should go with the 6# I have on other reels. I may try 4# for giggles.  Previously I have been using a tuned and upgraded TD-Z 105H and 2 older gold Carbonlites for light lure duty. According to many threads I have read, I should be able to use several of my other reels as well. Two Purple Alphas (stock), an Alphas F tuned and upgraded drag and bearings, an Alphas ito 103ai, the 2 previously mentioned Sols and 2 Curado 51Es. Possibly my Tatula and Tatula Type R, and if I can believe a couple people, my Lews Tournament Pro. According to a TT review, the T3 1016 is capable of finesse fishing. My new one is set up with 12# Siege, and I think the seller said the used one I bought had 12# AbrazX, so none are set up to even try finesse AFAIC. Quote
Super User Jeff H Posted January 19, 2015 Super User Posted January 19, 2015 Well, they can say what they want.  I don't think it's easy for any revolving spool reel to chuck lures that light any great distance.  I seldom feel the need to go more than the 40-45 ft I can get.  Truth is, in my finesse presentations I'm seldom going that light in actual weight.  This whole light lure with casting gear thing is still new to me, I have part of one season under my belt so far so I don't really know what I'm talking about either.  I do know this....I CAN throw 1/8 oz (sorta) stuff with a bunch of different reels with 6 lb line, but I guess I can't throw it as far as others claim or expect to.  Maybe my expectations are more in line with reality or maybe I'm underachieving??  Don't really care I guess.   Tossing above mentioned Sliders/4" worm combo..... I have a 2013 model Cabela's Tournament ZX (Rapala Shift )  that will give me 40' +/- spooled with 6lb line and mounted on a custom Avid 5'6" pistol grip M/F My Alphas F will give me 45' +/- with 6 lb line mounted on an Avid 6'2" M/XF. I have a small collection of TD-Z's too but not throwing super light stuff with them.  Downsized, yes.  Maybe 1/4 oz  5/16 oz in some cases but probably usually under 3/8 oz.  I seldom go much lighter than 1/16 oz heads with salted Stubby tubes (they kinda heavy w/salt IMO)  I mean, I'm not fishing panfish with this stuff so I'm just using some smaller baits, not micro stuff.  I have not tried weightless lures yet.  I do like to fish 4" Fin S Fish weightless but have no idea what they weigh with a 3/0 EWG hook in them.  I'll be trying those this spring and I expect casting them to be difficult. Quote
cyclops2 Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015  What is the logic behind the light lures ?  I catch a 40" pike on the 1/16 oz Flickers & big smallies & LM also while casting for perch. There is a connection. I just can not prove one. Quote
Super User aavery2 Posted January 19, 2015 Super User Posted January 19, 2015 Well, they can say what they want.  I don't think it's easy for any revolving spool reel to chuck lures that light any great distance.  I seldom feel the need to go more than the 40-45 ft I can get.  Truth is, in my finesse presentations I'm seldom going that light in actual weight.  This whole light lure with casting gear thing is still new to me, I have part of one season under my belt so far so I don't really know what I'm talking about either.  I do know this....I CAN throw 1/8 oz (sorta) stuff with a bunch of different reels with 6 lb line, but I guess I can't throw it as far as others claim or expect to.  Maybe my expectations are more in line with reality or maybe I'm underachieving??  Don't really care I guess.   Tossing above mentioned Sliders/4" worm combo..... I have a 2013 model Cabela's Tournament ZXv (Rapala Shift )  that will give me 40' +/- spooled with 6lb line and mounted on a custom Avid 5'6" pistol grip M/F My Alphas F will give me 45' +/- with 6 lb line mounted on an Avid 6'2" M/XF. I have a small collection of TD-Z's too but not throwing super light stuff with them.  Downsized, yes.  Maybe 1/4 oz  5/16 oz in some cases but probably usually under 3/8 oz.  I seldom go much lighter than 1/16 oz heads with salted Stubby tubes (they kinda heavy w/salt IMO)  I mean, I'm not fishing panfish with this stuff so I'm just using some smaller baits, not micro stuff.  I have not tried weightless lures yet.  I do like to fish 4" Fin S Fish weightless but have no idea what they weigh with a 3/0 EWG hook in them.  I'll be trying those this spring and I expect casting them to be difficult. Jeff, it is really pretty easy, put an 1/8th oz bare jig head on which every setup you think casts the best and attempt a cast. Let us know what kind of distance you get.  I am not trying to be rude, I am really interested, I have been trying for a while to put together a setup in my price range that will cast 1/8oz baits, not sorta, kinda, maybe 1/8oz baits. Quote
Super User Jeff H Posted January 19, 2015 Super User Posted January 19, 2015 What do you have to get for distance to consider your efforts a success? Â What have you experienced with your past efforts? Quote
Super User aavery2 Posted January 19, 2015 Super User Posted January 19, 2015 What do you have to get for distance to consider your efforts a success?  What have you experienced with your past efforts? I think my expectations would be met if I could consistently cast a 1/8th oz bait 15 to 20 yards. Is that to high of an expectation?  Most of the  reels I have made serious effort with this have either not been very consistent or just were not capable of any usable distance.   I am thinking of taking Bootytrain's advice on the ABU LT(X) and give it a go, seems like a reasonable priced reel and would still fit my budget with some micro bearings installed. Quote
Super User Jeff H Posted January 19, 2015 Super User Posted January 19, 2015 I think my expectations would be met if I could consistently cast a 1/8th oz bait 15 to 20 yards. Is that to high of an expectation?  Most of the  reels I have made serious effort with this have either not been very consistent or just were not capable of any usable distance.   I am thinking of taking Bootytrain's advice on the ABU LT(X) and give it a go, seems like a reasonable priced reel and would still fit my budget with some micro bearings installed. Naw, not too high.  That ABU LT is gonna get you there!  Nice shallow spool on that reel!  I might even get me one of those sometime. Quote
bootytrain Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 Just as any other lure, its the shape and density of the 1/8th lure that's going to determine its ultimate distance. Quote
Super User aavery2 Posted January 19, 2015 Super User Posted January 19, 2015 Just as any other lure, its the shape and density of the 1/8th lure that's going to determine its ultimate distance. That is why I have been using the bare jig head in testing different setups, seems like it would be about as aerodynamic as anything else. Quote
masterbass Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 It's not the most scientific experiment, but I just took 3 reel outside and tried each on my cr721 which is rated down to 3/16. I took a 1/8 jighead, but cut the hook off so I could cast in the yard without getting snagged. I weighed it and it was exactly 3 grams which is barely under 1/8oz. The 3 reels: pxl-r, curado 51e and scorpion xt w/avail spool. All 3 reels have abec7's. The pxl-r had 10lb power pro and it casted and pitched nicely. The curado 51e had 20lb power pro and it was more challenging and not really ideal for me. The xt w/avail had 15lb power pro and it casted/pitched nicely.  I have used my 51e with a 1/8 plus 3" grub (whatever this weighs) in the past and it worked ok. Quote
cyclops2 Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 booty has it right.   Cast a lead BB. Then try my Flicker Spinner. After that comparison  ?    All reels are crap at any price. Even if Sooper Dupper upped by the best reel person. Quote
thehooligan Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 Looking to say around $200 or less  To go back to the original question, heres my recommendations for a $200 budget.  For a new reel, completely agree with booty, revo lt. Will cover all finesse fishing in the $170-180 range.  Used options, find a rashed up curado 50/51e, drop in an avail spool. Should be able to do that for around $200 and will work great.  Other option would be rashed up daiwa sol and drop in the megabass finesse spool. You can also do this around $200 if you shop around. Last sol i picked up for $65 bucks. 1 Quote
carlm01 Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 Can't go wrong with any of the LEWS Â they have quite a few in the 200.00 or below range I have 3 of them and they are all great reels ......Good Luck Quote
a1712 Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 Can't go wrong with any of the LEWS Â they have quite a few in the 200.00 or below range I have 3 of them and they are all great reels ......Good Luck I have 10 Lew's Team Golds all tuned up and none of them is going to throw a 1/8oz. bait with any distance. Brian. Quote
Bdjr1 Posted January 19, 2015 Author Posted January 19, 2015 What bearings would u recommend for chronarch 51e, link please Quote
Super User Jeff H Posted March 17, 2015 Super User Posted March 17, 2015 I think my expectations would be met if I could consistently cast a 1/8th oz bait 15 to 20 yards. Is that to high of an expectation?  Most of the  reels I have made serious effort with this have either not been very consistent or just were not capable of any usable distance.   I am thinking of taking Bootytrain's advice on the ABU LT(X) and give it a go, seems like a reasonable priced reel and would still fit my budget with some micro bearings installed. Hey Tony....did you ever get the Revo LT? I just got a new LTX this week.  Anybody know where my buddy aavery2 went? I just noticed his name shows in black instead of green. Is that a dead acct? Quote
Ozark_Basser Posted March 17, 2015 Posted March 17, 2015 Hey Tony....did you ever get the Revo LT? I just got a new LTX this week.  Anybody know where my buddy aavery2 went? I just noticed his name shows in black instead of green. Is that a dead acct? I think that means he was banned. Whether that's for a period of time or indefinitely I don't know. I wish he'd come back. I appreciated his input. Quote
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