lectricbassman Posted January 10, 2015 Posted January 10, 2015 I have seen a few rods on c.l. recently that have guides that start on the top of the rod and eventualy wrap around to the bottom of rod like a spinning rod. What is this type of rod called? Are they custom and what are the benefits? Just curious Quote
Super User aavery2 Posted January 10, 2015 Super User Posted January 10, 2015 Roberts wrap or spiral wrap are a couple of terms that are used to describe rods with this type of guide placement. Quote
Super User J Francho Posted January 10, 2015 Super User Posted January 10, 2015 Fordham is another term I've heard. There's very few production rods that have this feature. Quote
KDW96 Posted January 10, 2015 Posted January 10, 2015 My dad had one and loved it. But it went into the lake of the ozarks while we were fishin a tournament. 30 degree & high winds. I believe it was to keep the line from touching the rod blank? Never seen one since............. Quote
Super User Alpster Posted January 10, 2015 Super User Posted January 10, 2015 Spiral wrapped is the term I use. The idea is to have the line pull from the bottom of the rod (like a spinning rod) when under a load (fighting a fish) to eleiminate the tendency for the rod to turn over (reel wants to go down). All of my baitcasting rods are spiral wrapped as I made them myself. They are very common in custom rods. Quote
Super User F14A-B Posted January 10, 2015 Super User Posted January 10, 2015 I would assume they are a custom build, therefore I would ask more information about the blanks used as well as other components. Seems kistler did a few rods back in like 2003... Quote
Super User Tywithay Posted January 10, 2015 Super User Posted January 10, 2015 Huddleston, Edge, Big Bear, and a few others, offer spiral wrapped rods. Most of mine are spiral now, and I don't care to go back to conventional guide placement. Quote
Bassin_0502 Posted January 10, 2015 Posted January 10, 2015 Spiral wrapped is the term I use. The idea is to have the line pull from the bottom of the rod (like a spinning rod) when under a load (fighting a fish) to eleiminate the tendency for the rod to turn over (reel wants to go down). All of my baitcasting rods are spiral wrapped as I made them myself. They are very common in custom rods. x2 They are far more stable. Don't know that I've ever seen a commercial rod built that way though. Like Alpster, I build my own. Quote
Hogsticker Posted January 10, 2015 Posted January 10, 2015 Spiral wrapped, Acid wrap. Here is a little something something I stole - 1) It eliminates rod torque. A very real thing with with heavy fish and/or light rods. 2) It eliminates line scrub. Line brushing your blank will rob you of some performance. 3) You can start using single foot guides much sooner. That means lighter weight guides and less encumbrance from those guides and less encumbrance and weight from the additional wrapping that would be required for double foots. 4) You can eliminate a guide or two. Which translates to weight loss in the guide package. 5) The only legit drawback is they are a little more tricky to get into a rod locker. Which is a small price to pay in my opinion. With custom rods the name of the game is to try and make small (or better) improvements over factory rods. Cutting out weight is one of the things that really aids in keeping a rod not only feeling light but performing to the best of its ability. Adding handles and guides to rod blanks just degrade their performance. Doing what you can to keep that interference to a minimum will keep the rod feeling crisp and responsive. Also, braided line will not wrap around the tip as much. The only reason I haven't tried it is being afraid I won't want to use anything else, which means all new builds. Quote
Super User S Hovanec Posted January 10, 2015 Super User Posted January 10, 2015 I don't use transition guides anymore on my lighter casting builds. The last 5 or so builds have the first guide at 0° and the next one at 180°. The line touches the blank between them, but I haven't noticed any adverse effects. Quote
lectricbassman Posted January 10, 2015 Author Posted January 10, 2015 Does this setup affect casting distance and accuracy? It seems like there could be a possibility of more friction through though the guides since the line has to turn 180 degrees? I could be wrong, just wondering Quote
Super User Alpster Posted January 10, 2015 Super User Posted January 10, 2015 Does this setup affect casting distance and accuracy? It seems like there could be a possibility of more friction through though the guides since the line has to turn 180 degrees? I could be wrong, just wondering Absolutely no dicsernable difference in casting. Less friction due to fewer guides. When you finally hook a large fish, you see the advantage right away. Quote
Delaware Valley Tackle Posted January 10, 2015 Posted January 10, 2015 If anything, there is less friction as you're not fighting gravity. The line flows the way it "wants to". Line touching the blank on a bass rod is mostly a non-issue. I'm still using a transition guide but I know several builders that just skip them. I've seen some put a wrap at the contact point if the blank has a nice finish. Quote
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