Minnesota Kayak Bassn' Posted January 1, 2015 Posted January 1, 2015 I am going to be fishing wacky worms with weighted hooks a lot more this year on a spin cast rod and reel. I would like some input on best braid and size for minimal tangle or no tangle messes OR best florocarbon line size for minimal hassle or tangles. Any input would be greatly appreciated guys. Quote
Delaware Valley Tackle Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 Spin cast reels are not braid suitable due to the way they work. The pick up pin will tangle and fray braid. I like a soft mono like trireme xl for spin cast reels . Use line conditioner, the lightest line you can get away with and swivels where appropriate. Don't over or under fill the spool. Quote
Minnesota Kayak Bassn' Posted January 2, 2015 Author Posted January 2, 2015 Thanks DVT...I use Sufix mono for all my mono use...I use 20lb on my spin casts for my dock fishing and shoreline fishing...it's got a lot less stretch than regular mono and it's super tough...I've had to horse many bass from around dock poles or wood and I've always gotten them out and I've never had my line snapped on me...it will come back frayed from the wrap up but the strength remains so I'm hooked on it. I just want to do more wacky rigs with weighted hooks and probably shaky heads so I want as much sensitivity as I can get. I will probably go with floro on it. Quote
Delaware Valley Tackle Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 Just remember fluoro is stiff as a rule. Too stiff and the pick up may slip off. Either way go as light as you can get away with. One of the copolymer lines might be an option especially if abrasion resistance is a goal. Quote
Minnesota Kayak Bassn' Posted January 2, 2015 Author Posted January 2, 2015 I agree...and I'm thinking 10 pound probably best...I want to check out the copolymer lines because I've never used them and I'm curious to see what they have to offer...good suggestion. Quote
Preytorien Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 Co-poly is great in terms of line management. I've found Yo-Zuri Hybrid Ultrasoft and/or McCoy Mean Green to be my favorites. Quote
Minnesota Kayak Bassn' Posted January 2, 2015 Author Posted January 2, 2015 Thanks Preytorien...I will check those out for sure...I just can't stand twisted line or wraps around the rod tip etc...but I need something strong enough to put up with the rigors of dock fishing and wood fishing etc... Quote
Super User roadwarrior Posted January 2, 2015 Super User Posted January 2, 2015 Yo-Zuri Hybrid #6 has a breaking strength of 11.9 lbs.You will find this line far more managable than the #20 Suffix you are currently using. http://yo-zuri.com/Products/Yo-Zuri_Fishing_Line/details/Yo-Zuri_Hybrid.html Quote
Super User Raul Posted January 2, 2015 Super User Posted January 2, 2015 FC in a spincaster is not a good idea, even 10 lb is like a slinky, a good hybrid line would be my choice, something like YoZuri 6 lb test just like RW suggested. Quote
Minnesota Kayak Bassn' Posted January 2, 2015 Author Posted January 2, 2015 Thanks for the help guys. Here's my dilemma...where I live 95% of my fishing is shoreling wood and docks because this is exactly where they are all season long in my area...I need a lot more than a 6lb test to get the bass out of the wood and dock obstacles. The Sufix mono I use is 20lb test and has the diameter of a 10-12 lb regular mono and the stretch is a lot less than regular mono...and I want to have "some" stretch in my line so I'm not snapped off when I have to horse them out...and I've been fishing this line for the past 6 yrs and I've never had my line snapped when they wrap up around docks or wood so I'm sold on it and I have no desire to change that aspect. I will have to check out the higher test lines you've mentioned and see if they work...but with the wacky worm style I'm going to be using with this rod I really want the most sensitivity along with the pound strength to get them out of docks and wood at the same time. I understand it's trial and error but I want to eliminate most of that with your suggestions I'm seeing. I thank you for the help guys. Quote
Super User Raul Posted January 2, 2015 Super User Posted January 2, 2015 Thanks for the help guys. Here's my dilemma...where I live 95% of my fishing is shoreling wood and docks because this is exactly where they are all season long in my area...I need a lot more than a 6lb test to get the bass out of the wood and dock obstacles. The Sufix mono I use is 20lb test and has the diameter of a 10-12 lb regular mono and the stretch is a lot less than regular mono...and I want to have "some" stretch in my line so I'm not snapped off when I have to horse them out...and I've been fishing this line for the past 6 yrs and I've never had my line snapped when they wrap up around docks or wood so I'm sold on it and I have no desire to change that aspect. I will have to check out the higher test lines you've mentioned and see if they work...but with the wacky worm style I'm going to be using with this rod I really want the most sensitivity along with the pound strength to get them out of docks and wood at the same time. I understand it's trial and error but I want to eliminate most of that with your suggestions I'm seeing. I thank you for the help guys. Like this ? Then YoZuri Hybrid 8 lb test. Quote
Minnesota Kayak Bassn' Posted January 2, 2015 Author Posted January 2, 2015 One more quick question and then I will leave you alone...what's your best all around crank bait line and what is your reasoning? I will have one rod only dedicated to cranking so I would like the overall best for it. Quote
Super User J Francho Posted January 2, 2015 Super User Posted January 2, 2015 I have an old Zebco 33 loaded with 10# CXX. No issues with all kinds of baits - spinnerbaits, jigs, cranks, topwater, etc. I use KVD L&L after every trip. Quote
Super User Sam Posted January 2, 2015 Super User Posted January 2, 2015 Check out your spinning reel's line test parameters and the rod's specs to find the best blend of line test. I throw a 8 pound fluorocarbon or copoly line when using wacky worms on a spinning rig. You can throw braid and avoid a lot of problems but some guys don't want any line to be seen by the bass. I believe the same thing so I throw clear fluorocarbon. My rod of choice is a 7-foot medium heavy fast tip. I flip and pitch wacky worms all over the place with this setup. And don't overfill your spinning reel. This is the cause of line twist and line spinning off the reel. I treat the line with KVD Lure and Line Conditioner. I then take the spinning setup outside to my field and tie the end of the line to a bird feeder and walk off about 50 yards. I walk back to the spinning rig and pull on the line as hard as I can and hold it for about 30 seconds for three or four times. I then return to the bird feeder and unite the line and walk back to the rod and reel. I proceed to hold the line between my fingers and reel it tight back on the reel. This removes all line twist and helps stop line twist for a little while longer than if I don't do it. You will get line twist throwing a wacky rig on a spinning reel. That is just a part of throwing a wacky rigged finesse plastic on a spinning reel. The question is if you want to give up a stealth approach by using braid or having a stealth approach with fluorocarbon line. Personal preference. It is how you address the problem of which line to use and how to take the twist out of the line while fishing that separates us from the pros. Quote
Super User Sam Posted January 2, 2015 Super User Posted January 2, 2015 One more quick question and then I will leave you alone...what's your best all around crank bait line and what is your reasoning? I will have one rod only dedicated to cranking so I would like the overall best for it. Once again, what is the line test for your rod and reel? In the old days, the pros said to use mono for topwater baits and treble hook baits to use the stretch to your advantage. Today the pros are saying they are using fluoro and copoly line. So the bottom line is that it is up to you as to which line you want to use for crankbaits. I use 12 pound test mono for treble hook baits but then I am an old guy. The young studs are using fluorocarbon. Quote
Minnesota Kayak Bassn' Posted January 2, 2015 Author Posted January 2, 2015 I will be using a floro leader on the rods I have braid on. Tying off to the bird feeder is an interesting idea and something that hasn't crossed my mind...I will have to try that. Most of the time I will have a weighted wacky hook involved so hopefully it gives me enough tension to reduce line twist. Thanks for the info. Quote
Minnesota Kayak Bassn' Posted January 2, 2015 Author Posted January 2, 2015 My crankn' rod is a bait cast rod and reel set up...I have a 7' medium light action rod and will pair it with a 6.4:1 ratio reel...just not sure if I wanted to stay with mono or go floro or hybrid lines... Quote
Super User F14A-B Posted January 2, 2015 Super User Posted January 2, 2015 Check out your spinning reel's line test parameters and the rod's specs to find the best blend of line test. I throw a 8 pound fluorocarbon or copoly line when using wacky worms on a spinning rig. You can throw braid and avoid a lot of problems but some guys don't want any line to be seen by the bass. I believe the same thing so I throw clear fluorocarbon. My rod of choice is a 7-foot medium heavy fast tip. I flip and pitch wacky worms all over the place with this setup. And don't overfill your spinning reel. This is the cause of line twist and line spinning off the reel. I treat the line with KVD Lure and Line Conditioner. I then take the spinning setup outside to my field and tie the end of the line to a bird feeder and walk off about 50 yards. I walk back to the spinning rig and pull on the line as hard as I can and hold it for about 30 seconds for three or four times. I then return to the bird feeder and unite the line and walk back to the rod and reel. I proceed to hold the line between my fingers and reel it tight back on the reel. This removes all line twist and helps stop line twist for a little while longer than if I don't do it. You will get line twist throwing a wacky rig on a spinning reel. That is just a part of throwing a wacky rigged finesse plastic on a spinning reel. The question is if you want to give up a stealth approach by using braid or having a stealth approach with fluorocarbon line. Personal preference. It is how you address the problem of which line to use and how to take the twist out of the line while fishing that separates us from the pros. Excellent information Sam, however, his reel of choice is a SpinCaster, as in push button Zebco 33 style.. Not spinning nor Baitcasting..Peace! Quote
Minnesota Kayak Bassn' Posted January 2, 2015 Author Posted January 2, 2015 No, no, no...that's not MY reel of choice...I haven't used a Zebco 33 for probably 30 yrs...I use a spin cast reel as in an open face reel for this. Quote
Super User F14A-B Posted January 2, 2015 Super User Posted January 2, 2015 My error, we call them spinning reels down here, lol.. SpinCast here are Zebco 202, 33 etc.. My apologies, to you & Sam! Quote
Minnesota Kayak Bassn' Posted January 2, 2015 Author Posted January 2, 2015 Good stuff...no worries...the only thing I've ever referred to them as were "closed faced reels"... Quote
RSM789 Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 My error, we call them spinning reels down here, lol.. SpinCast here are Zebco 202, 33 etc.. My apologies, to you & Sam! I was having trouble following this thread because like you, I always heard of closed face reels referred to as spincast. Spinning was the term for open face reels and casting for bait casting reels. In fact, when you google "spincast", all the images are of closed face reels (except for the web pages showing spincast vs. spinning). Quote
Minnesota Kayak Bassn' Posted January 2, 2015 Author Posted January 2, 2015 At the very least...we get to learn something new every day Quote
Delaware Valley Tackle Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 I thought the same thing. Some of the comments in the thread are irrelevant to spinning reels, but the basic line twist avoidance tips still apply. I don't like to go any heavier than 8# mono/fluoro on bass spinning tackle and much prefer braid for casting, line handling and sensitivity contrary to my prior post regarding spin-cast reels (Zebco etc.) 1 Quote
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