Black Hawk Basser Posted June 28, 2019 Posted June 28, 2019 I get checked about once a year, on average, in the last decade. Since the DNR rehabbed the local lake, there has been a larger presence of officers. Most of the time it is someone doing creel surveys, and of course, they ask for a license while they're at it. I've only had a near-miss experience once. My wife and I headed to the lake for some bluegill action, planning to use little jigs tipped with crawlers. We arrive at the lake, and I realize I forgot the crawlers at home. I send my wife in my truck to go retrieve them from home. Of course, I forgot my wallet, which contained my license, in my truck. It wasn't 3 minutes later and the warden shows up. I proceed to tell him the truth that my wife went to get the worms and my wallet with the license is in the truck. He then wrote me a ticket, and said that if I'm confident I had a valid license, then just tear the ticket up once he leaves. He said he would go back to the office and check on the computer for my license status. So, once he took off, I disregarded the ticket, and kept on fishing. From then on, I have made more of an effort to remember to keep the license in my pocket. Quote
diversity210 Posted June 28, 2019 Posted June 28, 2019 7 hours ago, WRB said: California everyone 16 and older requires a fishing license if you have fishing tackle in your hand and could be fishing. Our license for residents is now over $45, Jan1 to Dec 31, even if you purchase the lic in Dec, it's not year to date from purchase. No senior fishing license, you can buy a lifetime license based on age. During the 60 years I have had fishing resident and non resident licenses only been checked a few times by Canadian and Mexican officials never checked by California DFG. For decades you had to wear your license in plain sight so wardens could see it. Tom Everything in California continues to go up. Everyone around here got notices of the water going up again. During the extreme drought in California they raised the price of water twice. We have a surplus of water this year and they are raising the prices again. The fishing license is only a small fee for a lot of enjoyment, but the rising cost does remind you of how expensive everything here has gotten and continues to get. They have push most people to the financial brink, but continue to raise prices. Thats why we have the biggest population of homeless people in the country and its getting worse. Quote
bh91 Posted June 29, 2019 Posted June 29, 2019 It’s funny last year in May I got checked , forgot my license but since I had my drivers license he was able to verify over the phone/ walkie Quote
CrankFate Posted June 29, 2019 Posted June 29, 2019 Many times, and currently I never received my actual card. I have the email and license # though. Of all the times I’ve been caught without a license when I was younger I never got a ticket. The officers said they saw me doing things like balling up extra line and putting it in my box, instead of just throwing it on the ground or in the water. Or one time I was fishing a prohibited area, the officer who made me leave said I was the only person she ever saw in that spot releasing fish instead of poaching them. Now a days, I always keep my license up to date. Quote
AlTheFisherman313 Posted June 29, 2019 Posted June 29, 2019 23 hours ago, redmeansdistortion said: I've always said, the most by the book law enforcement agency is the MI DNR, second is the state police. The state police seldom cut any breaks if they pull you over, the DNR is in a whole different league if you don't abide by their rules. I've known people that have been caught fishing with no license. At the very least, their gear was confiscated, and at the worst, they received a stiff fine and were barred from obtaining a license for a period of time. Those statements tell me your 100% from Michigan. I don’t wanna get started on the state police, too many frustrating tickets. I have had one pull me over for tint when literally the guy next to me was drinking a bud light and almost spilled it on himself trying to tuck it down when seeing the cop.... needless to say I got a tint ticket that day ? the DNR of Michigan is like the DEA I swear they will hunt you down, find you and do sick things to you if they get your hands on you haha. I mean I am all for preservation, but when the DNR gets involved I feel like bolting haha. I usually do catch and release I’m just worried they will have some gear restriction I’m unaware of and get a poaching ticket ? obviously kidding, but at the same time not really Quote
AlTheFisherman313 Posted June 29, 2019 Posted June 29, 2019 On 6/28/2019 at 8:50 AM, diversity210 said: Ive never gotten caught with out my fishing license. I buy an annual license every year and keep in in my wallet. All my years of fishing around California and Ive never even been asked for my fishing license which is fine by me. As a black man I am paranoid about any type of interaction with any kind of law enforcement so i stay legal in everything I do. I never even walk in the gray area. Ive been blessed to never have any type of negative interactions with any type of law enforcement, but from a young age I was raised with a certain paranoia and fear of law enforcement and it something that I learned as I got older was for good reason. It’s a shame law enforcement makes people feel this way, but sadly it’s true. I grew up in metro Detroit I’m a German American, but literally having friends of all ethnicities and races I have gotten more unwanted attention with my Arab and black friends from police than you could imagine. I realize I don’t have to face that first hand, but I have first hand witnessed police stereotyping. no need to get into specifics, but from what I have experienced I am afraid of cops and like I said I am German American. It’s sad we fear our police here. Quote
Super User A-Jay Posted June 29, 2019 Super User Posted June 29, 2019 14 minutes ago, AlTheFisherman313 said: It’s sad we fear our police here. What may be equally as 'sad' is when people conduct themselves in a manner that elicits that type of response from the brave men & women who chose to protect us and put their life on the line every minute of their entire work day (and night) for total strangers. A-Jay 8 4 Quote
Super User Log Catcher Posted June 29, 2019 Super User Posted June 29, 2019 I have never been caught without a license. I did go fishing one time and had forgotten to get my new license. I got it as soon as possible after that. I have been checked many times and never had a problem. Quote
Russ E Posted June 29, 2019 Posted June 29, 2019 May be a little off topic, but this thread reminds me of the local county lake. To fish there you have to buy a county Boating and Fishing permit. The state does not patrol the lake. only the county deputies. I get checked nearly every time I fish there, by the deputy sheriff. often times it is the same guy. They have never checked me for a fishing license or checked my livewell. It seems they do not care about the state regulations. all they care about is if you paid the permit fee. Quote
Fishing_FF Posted June 29, 2019 Posted June 29, 2019 2 hours ago, A-Jay said: What may be equally as 'sad' is when people conduct themselves in a manner that elicits that type of response from the brave men & women who chose to protect us and put their life on the line every minute of their entire work day (and night) for total strangers. A-Jay This couldn't be truer. As a firefighter who works with a lot of scenes, probably 75% of my station's calls, with law enforcement, either county sheriff deputies or state troopers, it is sad to see how LE are treated. Example would be one night not long ago at a vehicle crash, we asked the driver of one of the vehicles to move his car out of the road. The driver said, "Sure, no problem." The driver was poking along, so the deputy stepped in to ask him to please move his vehicle so the expressway could be re-opened. The driver got out of the car, started with expletives, and refused to move the car. We tried to defuse the situation by asking for the keys so one of us could move the car, at which point the driver threw his keys which ended up hitting the deputy. Whether he meant to throw them at the deputy or he just had bad aim, I don't know. However, there was no reason for the escalation. Being polite and respectful would have saved this guy a trip to jail. I have been stopped by Georgia DNR and Florida FWC while fishing. I always have my state ID and my fishing license with me. Yes, sometimes the safety inspection is a hassle, but being polite and respectful, I'm back on the water fishing a short time later rather than say facing fines or being in cuffs. 2 Quote
Big Rick Posted June 29, 2019 Posted June 29, 2019 4 hours ago, AlTheFisherman313 said: It’s a shame law enforcement makes people feel this way, but sadly it’s true. I grew up in metro Detroit I’m a German American, but literally having friends of all ethnicities and races I have gotten more unwanted attention with my Arab and black friends from police than you could imagine. I realize I don’t have to face that first hand, but I have first hand witnessed police stereotyping. no need to get into specifics, but from what I have experienced I am afraid of cops and like I said I am German American. It’s sad we fear our police here. Like @AJ, I couldn't let this go without responding in defense of our law officers... Maybe you should spend some time looking up the crime/ethnicity ratio in Detroit... As a retired LEO I can attest that it is much more likely the perp will be a certain ethnicity in certain areas. Peace officers have a split second to assess a situation and determine what's needed to insure the safety of everyone involved. First and foremost, their OWN safety. So, when an officer is in a higher crime area that stats prove the crimes are committed by certain ethnicities mostly, that officer is on high alert due to that. Police often stereotype because of the crime/ethnicity ratio. You don't go fishing in a bathtub. You fish in a high potential location. While this is a crude example it is very accurate. These officers have no choice but to be in the higher potential area. It's their job. The biggest thing you can do in your favor is don't act suspicious. Be calm and obedient to the officer involved. Don't give the officer ANY reason to think you're a threat. Keep your hands in plain view. Make no moves that you don't first tell the officer what your intentions are. Then, move slowly and deliberately. This is your life you're playing with. Again, these officers have, more than likely, arrested and fought with many perps of certain ethnicities and are already expecting trouble because of that high ratio. Don't add to that number. As a whole, peace officers are just trying to keep you safe and do their job safely. Most have families that they want to get back to. Peace officers are NOT PERFECT. But, for the most part, they do have a huge heart and really care. Treat them with respect and you'll get respect REGARDLESS of your COLOR..... I apologize for further derailing this thread, but this needed to be said to keep things balanced. 1 3 Quote
greentrout Posted June 29, 2019 Posted June 29, 2019 I 100 percent support our MDWFP officers ... in what they do ... https://www.mdwfp.com/media/news/law-enforcement/fallen-conservation-officers-memorial-service/ 1 Quote
Russ E Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 10 hours ago, AlTheFisherman313 said: It’s a shame law enforcement makes people feel this way, but sadly it’s true. I grew up in metro Detroit I’m a German American, but literally having friends of all ethnicities and races I have gotten more unwanted attention with my Arab and black friends from police than you could imagine. I realize I don’t have to face that first hand, but I have first hand witnessed police stereotyping. no need to get into specifics, but from what I have experienced I am afraid of cops and like I said I am German American. It’s sad we fear our police here. 9 hours ago, A-Jay said: What may be equally as 'sad' is when people conduct themselves in a manner that elicits that type of response from the brave men & women who chose to protect us and put their life on the line every minute of their entire work day (and night) for total strangers. I have honestly never feared the police. I live within 15 minutes of the worst part of the Kansas City metro. A good majority of the Kansas City Kansas police department live in my neighborhood. I am glad they live here. They are just normal guys that have a fairly dangerous job. I am sure they have to deal with unruly people on a daily basis. 6 Quote
Topwaterdog Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 Here in OK they issue paper licenses, so I just keep a photo of it saved on my phone. Unless I forget my phone I'm good to go. Another cool thing about OK is that if you are caught fishing without a license, they will just sell you a month-long permit (at a premium of course) instead of actually issuing a citation. I've never had that problem, because I always buy my combined hunting/fishing license, but I've seen them 'selling' these permits. Quote
AlTheFisherman313 Posted July 1, 2019 Posted July 1, 2019 On 6/29/2019 at 10:07 AM, A-Jay said: What may be equally as 'sad' is when people conduct themselves in a manner that elicits that type of response from the brave men & women who chose to protect us and put their life on the line every minute of their entire work day (and night) for total strangers. A-Jay I’m not trying to stir the pot, but they get paid. That means they get something out of it, so to say they do it for others isn’t exactly the case. Again there are bad and good people in the world, that includes cops, lawyers, doctors so on and so forth. Just because your a cop doesn’t make you a hero. On 6/29/2019 at 2:14 PM, Big Rick said: Like @AJ, I couldn't let this go without responding in defense of our law officers... Maybe you should spend some time looking up the crime/ethnicity ratio in Detroit... As a retired LEO I can attest that it is much more likely the perp will be a certain ethnicity in certain areas. Peace officers have a split second to assess a situation and determine what's needed to insure the safety of everyone involved. First and foremost, their OWN safety. So, when an officer is in a higher crime area that stats prove the crimes are committed by certain ethnicities mostly, that officer is on high alert due to that. Police often stereotype because of the crime/ethnicity ratio. You don't go fishing in a bathtub. You fish in a high potential location. While this is a crude example it is very accurate. These officers have no choice but to be in the higher potential area. It's their job. The biggest thing you can do in your favor is don't act suspicious. Be calm and obedient to the officer involved. Don't give the officer ANY reason to think you're a threat. Keep your hands in plain view. Make no moves that you don't first tell the officer what your intentions are. Then, move slowly and deliberately. This is your life you're playing with. Again, these officers have, more than likely, arrested and fought with many perps of certain ethnicities and are already expecting trouble because of that high ratio. Don't add to that number. As a whole, peace officers are just trying to keep you safe and do their job safely. Most have families that they want to get back to. Peace officers are NOT PERFECT. But, for the most part, they do have a huge heart and really care. Treat them with respect and you'll get respect REGARDLESS of your COLOR..... I apologize for further derailing this thread, but this needed to be said to keep things balanced. Again, your saying they have to go off what they see off statistics. I can guarantee you wouldn’t be ok with this if you fell into the statistic they look for. i really don’t wanna take this further let’s just agree to disagree. I am not saying all cops are bad, nor am I saying they are all good. It’s like an electrician there’s 60 ads for electricians in the area, how many are good vs bad is literally a person by person basis. In general speaking how many people see a cop and say phew thank god vs an anxiety reaction? It should never cause anxiety, but it does even in people doing nothing wrong. I am 100% pro police, but blindly defending them is as ignorant as fearing every cop. And yes I called myself ignorant ? I have just had too many “off” experiences for someone with a CLEAN record. Who knows maybe it’s just my area! I absolutely understand how dangerous Detroit is.... trust me, we make the worlds most dangerous cities every year for a reason. Downtown is becoming slowly better and better, but the surrounding areas can literally look and feel like a third world nation. There are areas of Detroit that looks like a bomber flew over the area. It’s actually very sad to see. Quote
AlTheFisherman313 Posted July 1, 2019 Posted July 1, 2019 On 6/29/2019 at 8:05 PM, Russ E said: I have honestly never feared the police. I live within 15 minutes of the worst part of the Kansas City metro. A good majority of the Kansas City Kansas police department live in my neighborhood. I am glad they live here. They are just normal guys that have a fairly dangerous job. I am sure they have to deal with unruly people on a daily basis. Your absolutely right, I am not saying all are bad, but I have ran into enough bad ones to have me form that opinion. I actually have a cop on my hockey team lol and it’s great, but he’s also a good human being, if every cop was like my buddy Bobby I’d wanna get pulled over ? Won’t lie he got me good one day. He pulled me over in his city and I was nervous because I wasn’t doing anything wrong only to see Bobby’s dumb ass smiling asking me if I was gonna make it to hockey that night lol! Quote
schplurg Posted July 1, 2019 Posted July 1, 2019 I come here to get away from political forums! I WANT to be checked for my license, and where appropriate, barbless hooks, because I paid d**n good money for this license and follow all the rules and there a lot of poachers and a-holes in some areas I fish. I want them to get caught. People without licenses, people not using barbless, using live bait, taking home too many fish. And people littering, my biggest gripe of all. These people flee when DFG show up but they know who they are and they do get ticketed. I talk to them when they check me and they are very candid about who is doing what, and I tell them whatever I can to help these people get nailed. F 'em. Yes, check my license every day, please. Cost me $60 for two rods. I fished with a guy who got caught without his license two years in a row by the same sheriff at the same bank of the delta. He said the sheriff recognized him and it was deja vu all over again. Dummy. I didn't know he had no license. 4 Quote
Super User A-Jay Posted July 1, 2019 Super User Posted July 1, 2019 7 hours ago, AlTheFisherman313 said: I’m not trying to stir the pot, but they get paid. That means they get something out of it, so to say they do it for others isn’t exactly the case. Clearly I am straying well into the off topic lane here but . . . . . That type of callow response comes easy if you are not currently employed in a LE / public servant capacity and never have been. Perhaps think about how much you would need to be 'paid' to have being shot at as part of your job description. I'm done. A-Jay 6 Quote
AlTheFisherman313 Posted July 2, 2019 Posted July 2, 2019 12 hours ago, A-Jay said: Clearly I am straying well into the off topic lane here but . . . . . That type of callow response comes easy if you are not currently employed in a LE / public servant capacity and never have been. Perhaps think about how much you would need to be 'paid' to have being shot at as part of your job description. I'm done. A-Jay Fair enough sir. Like I said I wasn’t trying to go crazy political or too off topic, we all have the right to our own opinion, plus it’s not like we have nothing in common we both love fishing ? 18 hours ago, schplurg said: I come here to get away from political forums! I WANT to be checked for my license, and where appropriate, barbless hooks, because I paid d**n good money for this license and follow all the rules and there a lot of poachers and a-holes in some areas I fish. I want them to get caught. People without licenses, people not using barbless, using live bait, taking home too many fish. And people littering, my biggest gripe of all. These people flee when DFG show up but they know who they are and they do get ticketed. I talk to them when they check me and they are very candid about who is doing what, and I tell them whatever I can to help these people get nailed. F 'em. Yes, check my license every day, please. Cost me $60 for two rods. I fished with a guy who got caught without his license two years in a row by the same sheriff at the same bank of the delta. He said the sheriff recognized him and it was deja vu all over again. Dummy. I didn't know he had no license. My god they have political forums? Haha. I’d rather scratch my eyes out. I do the same thing, hell I have called the DNR on people. I can’t understand how someone can love fishing, but harm the fisheries.... I mean how dumb can someone be. Quote
Big Rick Posted July 2, 2019 Posted July 2, 2019 22 hours ago, AlTheFisherman313 said: I can guarantee you wouldn’t be ok with this if you fell into the statistic they look for. I DO fall in a statistic, brother. When I have a uniform with a star on the front I got a TARGET on my back. One perceived wrong move in front of a stupid cell phone camera and my career is up in smoke. Doesn't matter what happened 30 seconds before or after the video clip sent to the news outlets. Which is one of the reasons I hung up that uniform and moved my family 5 hours away. Anyway, this is my last post on this issue. I hate politics. But I LOVE backing the BLUE because they backed me when it counted. Now, back to fishing...... 4 Quote
boostr Posted July 2, 2019 Posted July 2, 2019 YEAH! The first and only time I didn't have it, an $70 ticket. This also turned into a $h17 storm. Long story short, Had my DL suspended, drove for a year without any notification. Found out when my wife got pulled over, the LEO asked who I was and told her my license was suspended. Went to rectify the issue with the county, and got my DL suspended for 10 days which could of been 6 months, now paying $270 a year for the next 3 years of which 1 year has already been paid for. So going into the second year. That's an expensive $70 ticket. What you get when your SO "THOUGHT" she paid the 'not having your fishing license" ticket... Quote
jtharris3 Posted July 2, 2019 Posted July 2, 2019 Anybody Ever Get Caught Without Their License? No! Quote
Super User jbsoonerfan Posted July 2, 2019 Super User Posted July 2, 2019 On 6/30/2019 at 10:07 AM, Topwaterdog said: Here in OK they issue paper licenses, so I just keep a photo of it saved on my phone. Unless I forget my phone I'm good to go. Another cool thing about OK is that if you are caught fishing without a license, they will just sell you a month-long permit (at a premium of course) instead of actually issuing a citation. I've never had that problem, because I always buy my combined hunting/fishing license, but I've seen them 'selling' these permits. You should consider getting your lifetime hunting/fishing license before they go up or they do away with them all together. Best investment I have made when it comes to hunting and fishing. 2 Quote
Big Rick Posted July 2, 2019 Posted July 2, 2019 36 minutes ago, jbsoonerfan said: You should consider getting your lifetime hunting/fishing license before they go up or they do away with them all together. Best investment I have made when it comes to hunting and fishing. THIS! I got my Mississippi Lifetime Sportmans License back in the early 90's. MDWF lost money on me when I lived in La. and hunted in Port Gibson, Ms. Out of state big game license alone were $350 per year. Sportsman license covers everything recreational but your stamps for migratory birds. Saltwater is a different subject altogether.... Quote
schplurg Posted July 3, 2019 Posted July 3, 2019 23 hours ago, AlTheFisherman313 said: My god they have political forums? Haha. I’d rather scratch my eyes out. I do the same thing, hell I have called the DNR on people. I can’t understand how someone can love fishing, but harm the fisheries.... I mean how dumb can someone be. These people do not care about the fisheries, they just bring a bucket so they can feed themselves and their families. Some use strings of treble hooks to snag them off beds. We've all seen 'em and we can spot 'em a mile away. So can the authorities. People that do this and litter are not fishermen or anglers, they are 100% douchebags (or pick your favorite term). Quote
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