Braid Vs Fluorocarbon Casting

[iabass8]

I really hope you didn't spend a lot of time on this video.

 

that in no way shape or form proves your "theory"

 

you rubbed line back and forth with pressure on both ends against a wet rock. How does that prove anything? That was a serious question....I'm actually interested in how you think your test relates to real world fishing applications and actual abrasion resistance. 

 

 

  If fluoro was so abrasion resistant than why isn't everybody throwing it on punching rigs and flipping super heavy cover?

 

 

I'm still interested in hearing the explanation behind this gem as well. Do you really think people don't punch /w fluoro because it "isn't as abrasion resistant as braid".....

[aavery2]

I would like for you both to take a look at this link, and see what you think about the method used to test the lines and the results.

 

http://home.comcast.net/~estero69/site/?/page/_Page_01__/&PHPSESSID=f9a6cf043fa0e7f83edba4e2520e475a

[QUAKEnSHAKE]

Looks to me like smackdown handle a bit better. Ive had bass rub my powerpro along rocks which would be similar to your test though my pp didnt last that long. I dont think the pressure of my line on rock was as hard as what it seemed you put on your test either.  So I think your test has some practicality to it.

[F14A-B]

Seems like the amount of heat generated on the carbon, during your bench test, has as much to do with the failure as anything else, including the unmeasurable amount of pressure applied during your test. I know that heat had to play a role in this result.

[QUAKEnSHAKE]

Seems like the amount of heat generated on the carbon, during your bench test, has as much to do with the failure as anything else, including the unmeasurable amount of pressure applied during your test. I know that heat had to play a role in this result.

So braid has better heat dissipating capabilities than fc another plus for braid

[Ozark_Basser]

I really hope you didn't spend a lot of time on this video.

 

that in no way shape or form proves your "theory"

 

you rubbed line back and forth with pressure on both ends against a wet rock. How does that prove anything? That was a serious question....I'm actually interested in how you think your test relates to real world fishing applications and actual abrasion resistance. 

 

 

I'm still interested in hearing the explanation behind this gem as well. Do you really think people don't punch /w fluoro because it "isn't as abrasion resistant as braid".....

Hokay pal.  What do you want me to do? Do the exact same thing underwater? It would make no difference.  It would also make no difference if I did the same thing much slower to try and emulate your version of "real world fishing applications."  Like there's some kind of magical difference between forces applied on your line when your fishing or not.  Both the line and the rock were wet, and if I tried to mimic how a rod would be pulling each line over the rock, it would just take longer, but it would still yield the same result.  

 

What this simple test does show is which line is tougher (i.e. abrasion resistant), and Smackdown is definitely tougher. 

 

As far as people punching with fluoro vs. braid.  There probably are people doing it I'd say.  my mistake.  I wouldn't do it just because fluoro sucks for knot strength compared to braid.  Fluoro's too hard and it digs into itself on knots. You're putting more pressure on a fish when you catch one punching than anything else....and did I mention fluoro's not gonna hold up to the abuse like braid.  Not all braids though.  Just FX2 and Smackdown.    

 

I can't help but notice you keep trying to put me down for making that comment.  Sounds just like someone trying to recover from getting proven wrong. That's petty, but whatever bro. 

 

Why don't you post a video showing how Smackdown is not as abrasion resistant as Abrazx, and then you'll have some actual proof to support that mouth of yours. If you have nothing that shows an inkling of proof besides your greasy little fingertips typing away at your keyboard or phone or whatever, then I'm done arguing with you. 

 

 

Btw that was the first take.  It wasn't that difficult of a point to make, thus not that difficult of a video to record.  I like how once again you try to put me down for making the video in the first place which is also pretty petty.  

[Ozark_Basser]

Seems like the amount of heat generated on the carbon, during your bench test, has as much to do with the failure as anything else, including the unmeasurable amount of pressure applied during your test. I know that heat had to play a role in this result.

If I took a 3 second break between pulls it wouldn't matter.  I'd still get the same result. I've tried it.  Heat plays a small role I'd say, but it's not even a noticeable difference.  

[Ozark_Basser]

I would like for you both to take a look at this link, and see what you think about the method used to test the lines and the results.

 

http://home.comcast.net/~estero69/site/?/page/_Page_01__/&PHPSESSID=f9a6cf043fa0e7f83edba4e2520e475a

I agree completely, but those braids aren't smackdown or FX2.  I've tried fireline and spiderwire, and yes, the abrasion resistance is garbage compared to fluoro, but it's a whole different ballgame with the two I'm defending.  

[Ozark_Basser]

Seems like the amount of heat generated on the carbon, during your bench test, has as much to do with the failure as anything else, including the unmeasurable amount of pressure applied during your test. I know that heat had to play a role in this result.

And there wasn't even enough time to generate THAT much heat really.  It snapped pretty quick with not even that much pressure which would also affect heat dissipation.  

[iabass8]

Hokay pal.  What do you want me to do? Do the exact same thing underwater? It would make no difference.  It would also make no difference if I did the same thing much slower to try and emulate your version of "real world fishing applications."  Like there's some kind of magical difference between forces applied on your line when your fishing or not.  Both the line and the rock were wet, and if I tried to mimic how a rod would be pulling each line over the rock, it would just take longer, but it would still yield the same result.  

 

It would actually make all the difference. Your "test" showed a video of you pulling down line /w force on each end trying to break the line. That isn't abrasion resistance smarty pants. All you did was break line over a rock with a non constant amount of pressure applied from each end. An actual test would have shown something along the lines of your dragging a line attached to a lure over an abrasive surface. Again..all you did was break the line in a matter of seconds. I'm unaware of any fishing situation where I throw a bait into a situation where my bait will break off in a manner in which you depicted..and I fish some of the most heavily infested zebra muscled areas in the country. 

 

There actually is a "magical difference" between what you showed and what actually happens when fishing  In what scenario is a bait pushed down on each end over an object /w that much force?

 

 

What this simple test does show is which line is tougher (i.e. abrasion resistant), and Smackdown is definitely tougher. 

 

As far as people punching with fluoro vs. braid.  There probably are people doing it I'd say.  my mistake.  I wouldn't do it just because fluoro sucks for knot strength compared to braid.  Fluoro's too hard and it digs into itself on knots. You're putting more pressure on a fish when you catch one punching than anything else....and did I mention fluoro's not gonna hold up to the abuse like braid.  Not all braids though.  Just FX2 and Smackdown.    

Nobody /w half a braid would ever argue fluoro is more appropriate for punching.

I hate braid and I use it for punching 11 times out of 10.

 

 

I can't help but notice you keep trying to put me down for making that comment.  Sounds just like someone trying to recover from getting proven wrong. That's petty, but whatever bro. 

 

I haven't been "proven wrong" on anything. I seriously cannot believe you are still on the "braid is more abrasion resistance than fluoro". it's getting more funny than anything. If you wish, we can take this subject over to TT as well. i'm sure others would love to hear this comedic gold.

 

 

Why don't you post a video showing how Smackdown is not as abrasion resistant as Abrazx, and then you'll have some actual proof to support that mouth of yours. If you have nothing that shows an inkling of proof besides your greasy little fingertips typing away at your keyboard or phone or whatever, then I'm done arguing with you. 

 

I sure will post a video about it. It's going to have to wait until late March/Early April next year though. 

[Ozark_Basser]

It would actually make all the difference. Your "test" showed a video of you pulling down line /w force on each end trying to break the line. That isn't abrasion resistance smarty pants. All you did was break line over a rock with a non constant amount of pressure applied from each end. An actual test would have shown something along the lines of your dragging a line attached to a lure over an abrasive surface. Again..all you did was break the line in a matter of seconds. I'm unaware of any fishing situation where I throw a bait into a situation where my bait will break off in a manner in which you depicted..and I fish some of the most heavily infested zebra muscled areas in the country. 

 

There actually is a "magical difference" between what you showed and what actually happens when fishing  In what scenario is a bait pushed down on each end over an object /w that much force?

 

Nobody /w half a braid would ever argue fluoro is more appropriate for punching.

I hate braid and I use it for punching 11 times out of 10.

I haven't been "proven wrong" on anything. I seriously cannot believe you are still on the "braid is more abrasion resistance than fluoro". it's getting more funny than anything. If you wish, we can take this subject over to TT as well. i'm sure others would love to hear this comedic gold.

I sure will post a video about it. It's going to have to wait until late March/Early April next year though. 

Sure I used uneven pressure from both sides of the line which doesn't make the test completely viable, but I could do the same experiment 100 times and get the same result. Do you not agree?  Or do you think I just got lucky the first time? This gives a great deal of accuracy to the test. 

 

There is no "magical difference." Do you really think the correlation of the total amount of force needed to break each line due to abrasion is going to change that much if you slowly drag each against a rock with your rod till they break or if you rub each against a wet rock with your hands? You shouldn't.  The only thing affecting the correlation of the total amount of forces between the two systems (i.e. 1. wet rock -  2. wet rock underwater) is the fact that they are underwater in one and not the other. In fact out on the water, Abrazx stands even less of a chance compared to the wet rock test because it has a faster sink rate than braid which only allows more of a chance to get scuffed up and cause a break off, and not to mention less friction force needed to supply the total amount of force needed to cause the break which may be a minute factor in this case, but still.  

 

So whether you are dragging a jig slowly over a jagged rock or rubbing it rapidly over the same rock out of water with your hands,  there is a total amount of fricton force or abrasion force needed to fray and break the lines which defines abrasion resistance.  

 

Is this not how you define abrasion resistance? Your post about you not breaking off as much in zebra muscles with fluoro as opposed to braid suggests you do.  Either way, I'm done arguing in this thread, and I bet my boots you'll post a video this spring. Of course you'll post a video in the spring.  I just know it.  Give me a break.  

 

I'm not trying to make a general statement that all braid is more abrasion resistant than fluorocarbon. Stop implying that. Smackdown and FX2 most certainly are more abrasion resistant than any other I have used including Sunline Shooter, period.

[Bluebasser86]

You guys are just going to have to agree to disagree on this one,

 

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