Braid Vs Fluorocarbon Casting

[iabass8]

Do some testing? Can you read? I figured I made my experience with them both quite clear in my second to last post. If I go outside right now and stretch out both types of line in my hands and rub them on a tree, I will have some fluoro that will be torn all to hell, and some braid that I could probably reuse if I wanted to. If fluoro was so abrasion resistant than why isn't everybody throwing it on punching rigs and flipping super heavy cover? I have personally had fish break me off in not even that heavy of cover with fluoro. I can honestly say it has never happened with braid. However, I have only used the cheaper flatter braids one time and didn't like the way it fished so now I only buy 8 strand round braids like Sunline FX2 and Seaguar Smackdown.

I do not think this is the case with Seaguar Smackdown and FX2. Have you fished with both of these in comparison? It is very difficult to get either of these lines knicked up at all. I had a frog wrapped up in a tree branch and seriously broke the not so small tree branch off of a tree with absolutely no damage to the 65 lb FX2 I was using. Can you say any fluoro on the market can do that?

Can i say any fluoro ive used can come out of wood unharmed? ...yeah i can..

If you really think braided line is more abrasion resistant than fluoro...good luck to you. Im not going to argue with the 1% braid homer over winning the special olympics.

[bassr95]

I have never had manageability issues with flouro (or any other line) on a baitcaster. I would say that braid vs flouro has a lot to do with what rod you are putting the line on and the application. Braid will require a softer tipped rod to make up for the lack of stretch. I personally love flourocarbon for bottom contact baits due to the slack line sensitivity.

[aavery2]

Kind of a cool video, shows different lines tested for abrasion resistance in a very simple fashion.  Worth watching.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=C-SqIsZaE6s

[Ozark_Basser]

Can i say any fluoro ive used can come out of wood unharmed? ...yeah i can..

If you really think braided line is more abrasion resistant than fluoro...good luck to you. Im not going to argue with the 1% braid homer over winning the special olympics.

So you haven't tried them. Thanks for your input based on experience.

[Ozark_Basser]

Kind of a cool video, shows different lines tested for abrasion resistance in a very simple fashion.  Worth watching.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=C-SqIsZaE6s

Those are all flat braids that are not near the quality of Smackdown or FX2.  If you've fished with either, you know they are not even in the same ball league. Maybe you should read my past posts as well.

[aavery2]

Those are all flat braids that are not near the quality of Smackdown or FX2.  If you've fished with either, you know they are not even in the same ball league. Maybe you should read my past posts as well.

I know you are getting a little upset, but I am not trying to argue with you.  I have been using FX2 since it was released, it is a great braided line for many reasons.  But I have to say that in my fishing when rocky area and zebra muscle are concerned it would never be my choice over a good FC line like Tatsu.    I do use braid on my spinning reels in areas that have a high population of zebra muscle, it has been my experience that I have less break offs and cut line when I use a FC leader.

 

If you have tested both and braid is better for you then I would not change, but what I might do is experiment a little and confirm my results.

[Ozark_Basser]

I know you are getting a little upset, but I am not trying to argue with you.  I have been using FX2 since it was released, it is a great braided line for many reasons.  But I have to say that in my fishing when rocky area and zebra muscle are concerned it would never be my choice over a good FC line like Tatsu.    I do use braid on my spinning reels in areas that have a high population of zebra muscle, it has been my experience that I have less break offs and cut line when I use a FC leader.

 

If you have tested both and braid is better for you then I would not change, but what I might do is experiment a little and confirm my results.

I hear ya man. However, it's a little aggravating when you try to make a point and people will try and tell you you're wrong when they don't even have any experience with what I'm talking about.  It really puts good resources like this forum to shame when people come blabbing about something they have never even used.  Typical internet bs.  

 

I will make a video of this tomorrow testing 17 lb Seaguar Abrazx vs. 50 lb Seaguar Smackdown. Sorry I don't have any 20 lb fluoro, but it still would be no match. You'll be able to tell by the video.  I'll use the same knife I use everyday to cut the tag ends from each one.  Then I'll test it on a rock or whatever even though it won't matter.  

[aavery2]

I hear ya man. However, it's a little aggravating when you try to make a point and people will try and tell you you're wrong when they don't even have any experience with what I'm talking about.  It really puts good resources like this forum to shame when people come blabbing about something they have never even used.  Typical internet bs.  

 

I will make a video of this tomorrow testing 17 lb Seaguar Abrazx vs. 50 lb Seaguar Smackdown. Sorry I don't have any 20 lb fluoro, but it still would be no match. You'll be able to tell by the video.  I'll use the same knife I use everyday to cut the tag ends from each one.  Then I'll test it on a rock or whatever even though it won't matter.  

Cool, I will look for your video.  I know you boys over there in AR fish a lot of rocky area so it will be interesting to see what you come up with.

[Ozark_Basser]

Cool, I will look for your video.  I know you boys over there in AR fish a lot of rocky area so it will be interesting to see what you come up with.

The White River chain of lakes is absolutely covered with rock.  I just recently got to fish grass for the first time when I moved down to Little Rock.  

[aavery2]

The White River chain of lakes is absolutely covered with rock.  I just recently got to fish grass for the first time when I moved down to Little Rock.  

My Grandparents were from Siloam Springs, I spent a lot of time on Beaver lake when I was growing up. My parents had a couple of lots over on Bull Shoals for a while also.  I don't know if there are lakes any more beautiful than the lakes of the White River chain.   Oh, and rocky might be an understatement.

[Ozark_Basser]

My Grandparents were from Siloam Springs, I spent a lot of time on Beaver lake when I was growing up. My parents had a couple of lots over on Bull Shoals for a while also.  I don't know if there are lakes any more beautiful than the lakes of the White River chain.   Oh, and rocky might be an understatement.

Lol.  Yeah rocky is an understatement.  If those lakes didn't have rocks they wouldn't have anything.  I went to college over in Fayetteville which is just a skip hop away from Siloam.  That's where me and my buddies would go to gamble lol.

[masterbass]

As far as the OP's question, I use braid with various leaders.  Most of my casting reels have 30lb pp or super slick and then depending on the technique I'll use fluoro or copoly in 6-20lb test.  I find it a simpler system.  That being said, next year I'm going to give straight fluoro a try on a couple of weightless plastic combos because I want to see the benefits of the slack line sensitivity.  One thing I've learned over the years is to take advice from experienced people because they might be on to something.  My biggest issue with fluoro has been the memory so I got some kvd line and lure and sniper. 

[doyle8218]

Honestly, the only line I can't fault are copolys. Some Mono's have too much stretch, flouro is too unmanageable, and braid is visable in clear water.

Can't go wrong with braid/flouro leader setup or straight copoly. Coming from a braid lover, straight hybrid has been working great for me...

Couldn't agree more.

[iabass8]

  If fluoro was so abrasion resistant than why isn't everybody throwing it on punching rigs and flipping super heavy cover?

 

 

is this a serious question.....?

 

i mean...do you really think people don't use fluorocarbon punching/super heavy cover because "it isn't abrasion resistant".....lol

 

if you can't differentiate both and why X is used over Y in certain situations, perhaps you should stop arguing about "braid being more abrasion resistant than fluorocarbon" and do some reading.  

[Ozark_Basser]

is this a serious question.....?

 

i mean...do you really think people don't use fluorocarbon punching/super heavy cover because "it isn't abrasion resistant".....lol

 

if you can't differentiate both and why X is used over Y in certain situations, perhaps you should stop arguing about "braid being more abrasion resistant than fluorocarbon" and do some reading.  

I don't need to do any reading. I actually use both quite often.  I just went out in my shop and tested 17 lb Abrazx against 50 lb smackdown on a dull hatchet locked in a bench vice. Not even a comparison. I'll go buy some 20 lb Abrazx here in a bit and make a video this afternoon.  Apparently this will be quite informative for everyone.  So you just keep on posting stuff telling me I don't know what I'm talking about. Ummkay?

[iabass8]

I don't need to do any reading. I actually use both quite often.  I just went out in my shop and tested 17 lb Abrazx against 50 lb smackdown on a dull hatchet locked in a bench vice. Not even a comparison. I'll go buy some 20 lb Abrazx here in a bit and make a video this afternoon.  Apparently this will be quite informative for everyone.  So you just keep on posting stuff telling me I don't know what I'm talking about. Ummkay?

If you really feel that a legitimate test of abrasion resistance is "going out to your shop and rubbing line on a hatchet" is a real world example then I, along with others, will tell you with the utmost certainty that you are delusional.Please post this video. We will need some entertainment between the afternoon and night game today. 

 

if you would actually like to attempt to prove something, perhaps run the line through wet, sharp boulders or zebra muscles. even run the bait through dock cables. simply rubbing a line back and forth on a tree or a hatchet in your shop until you get your desired result is laughable at best. 

 

also, i've used both lines.

 

i'll take 20# shooter for abrasion resistance before I choose any braided line.

  If fluoro was so abrasion resistant than why isn't everybody throwing it on punching rigs and flipping super heavy cover?

 

 

Again....is this a serious question.....? Along with your video, I'd love to hear the explanation on this one. 

[ww2farmer]

I'm entertained already.

[QUAKEnSHAKE]

  

[roadwarrior]

I'm entertained already.

 

Deep breath...I am looking forward to the video, too!

 

 

 

[aavery2]

if you would actually like to attempt to prove something, perhaps run the line through wet, sharp boulders or zebra muscles. even run the bait through dock cables. simply rubbing a line back and forth on a tree or a hatchet in your shop until you get your desired result is laughable at best.

I'm curious why you feel this will do nothing to show the abrasion resistance qualities of the lines he wants to test.

[iabass8]

I'm curious why you feel this will do nothing to show the abrasion resistance qualities of the lines he wants to test.

i'm assuming you're referring to rubbing line on a hatchet or across a dry rock/tree. i didn't look at the video you posted but if it is indeed the video of the guy rubbing braid over a dry rock, that video and its faults were discussed at nausea about how it isn't comparable to a real world situation. if you cant' find the topics about it, i'll try and find them later on. noon-6 today are booked! 

[aavery2]

i'm assuming you're referring to rubbing line on a hatchet or across a dry rock/tree. i didn't look at the video you posted but if it is indeed the video of the guy rubbing braid over a dry rock, that video and its faults were discussed at nausea about how it isn't comparable to a real world situation. if you cant' find the topics about it, i'll try and find them later on. noon-6 today are booked! 

As I have no idea what to search for, if you have some time later to post a link that would be very cool.

[iabass8]

As I have no idea what to search for, if you have some time later to post a link that would be very cool.

For you aavery, the world. 

[War Eagle 44]

If you really feel that a legitimate test of abrasion resistance is "going out to your shop and rubbing line on a hatchet" is a real world example then I, along with others, will tell you with the utmost certainty that you are delusional.Please post this video. We will need some entertainment between the afternoon and night game today. 

 

if you would actually like to attempt to prove something, perhaps run the line through wet, sharp boulders or zebra muscles. even run the bait through dock cables. simply rubbing a line back and forth on a tree or a hatchet in your shop until you get your desired result is laughable at best. 

 

also, i've used both lines.

 

i'll take 20# shooter for abrasion resistance before I choose any braided line.

Again....is this a serious question.....? Along with your video, I'd love to hear the explanation on this one. 

 

 

I'm with you 100%, and he told me I need to learn how to read...

[Ozark_Basser]

Didn't pick up any 20 lb but 17 lb wil show you everything you need to know.

 

Another thing to also consider about this video is that the Abrazx is brand new bought yesterday and has never seen any water besides the cup.  The Smackdown is three months old and has been spooled on and off three different baitcast reels and has been put through utter hell.  I also had to really bear down to break the Smackdown. Didn't take much effort at all to break the Abrazx. 

 

I'm sure a naysayer is going to try and dog this video somehow, but if you can't see which one is more abrasion resistant for some strange reason then try it for yourself.