Scorpion Question

[*Hootie]

Looking to possibly purchasing a Scorpion 200. Is this just a Curado i with a different paint job? If so I'm not going to waste my money. Is there a different scorpion I should be looking at.

Hootie

[J Francho]

The USDM Curado lacks mystique and will not elevate your social class status.

[J Francho]

Oh, and I think the Scorpion has knob bearings.

[bootytrain]

Its the same plus 2 knob bearings and a cooler cast control cap. The bearings might be higher quality which is sometimes the case with JDM shimano.

[aavery2]

In the past they were identical mechanically, except for the fact that the Scorpion did not make use of the Super Stopper anti reverse.  There have always been claims of additional refinement, smoothness and additional casting distance but many believe it is just a case of beauty in the eye of the beholder.   IMO, nice reel if you prefer red over green.

[kickerfish1]

Bearings are better and slightly smoother retrive. Different paint and accent parts obviously. This is based on my experience with the 1000xt compared to the Chronarch and Curado 50e.

[Dwight Hottle]

Manufactured in Malaysia same as the curado.

[John G]

The XT1000 is a better reel out of the box than the CU50E so maybe the new Scorpion will be to. I wouldn't count on it because the XT1000 is also a better reel out of the box than the Scorpion XT1500's.

Hootie, one of the reasons to buy a JDM reel is it's about owning the JDM version of its USDM counterpart. Even it they are identical in appearance, the Scorpion is JDM and the Curado is not. If that doesn't matter to you, buy the Curado.

[Raul]

Manufactured in Malaysia same as the curado.

 

That don´t mean nuthin´ DH, Shimano may just say: put these bearings instead of those, put a bearing here and put a bushing in that one instead and you end up with different performance/feel/look.

 

Also, not always JDM is better than USDM, a good example is the ChronarchB/Metanium , if JDM was siupposed to be better in this case it was the complete opposite, the Chronarch B was a much better reel.

[aavery2]

The XT1000 is a better reel out of the box than the CU50E

 In what way, I'm not challenging your statement, just interested in your opinion.

[Dwight Hottle]

That don´t mean nuthin´ DH, Shimano may just say: put these bearings instead of those, put a bearing here and put a bushing in that one instead and you end up with different performance/feel/look.

 

Also, not always JDM is better than USDM, a good example is the ChronarchB/Metanium , if JDM was siupposed to be better in this case it was the complete opposite, the Chronarch B was a much better reel.

 

 

My point was both are made in Malayisa not Japan. I don't disagree that USDM could be better than JDM but typically JDM offers an upgrade from USDM. The obvious exceptions are the newer US releases of the conquest 2014 & the 2013 Antares.   

[*Hootie]

The USDM Curado lacks mystique and will not elevate your social class status.

 

Yes, I have been looking to elevate my social standing. I do have an image and reputation to maintain on the lake I fish.

Can't let my followers and fans down.

 

K V Hootie

[John G]

In what way, I'm not challenging your statement, just interested in your opinion.

It's smoother. When I turn the handle on my XT1000 and then my CU50E, the XT1000 has a feeling of smoothness and connectivity that the CU50E doesn't have.

[Cgrinder]

I don't think the new Scorpion is the way to go for getting into JDM.

 

However, I saw Metaniums for under $300 on jpangler and I think SS SV's might be getting around $250. Thank God I had someone change my Paypal password when the Yen started to drop. I'd be like Scrooge McDuck diving into a vault of fishing reels. 

[OkobojiEagle]

How big is that cooler that comes with the Scorpion?

 

 

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[Raul]

Yes, I have been looking to elevate my social standing. I do have an image and reputation to maintain on the lake I fish.

Can't let my followers and fans down.

 

K V Hootie

 

Dude your avatar picture is you fishing from a jonboat, we jonboat fishermen may kick butt but we are hardly fanboy/follower material.

[War Eagle 44]

It's smoother. When I turn the handle on my XT1000 and then my CU50E, the XT1000 has a feeling of smoothness and connectivity that the CU50E doesn't have.

 

Bantam1 explained this on another forum, Shimano uses slightly softer brass for the gears of the Scorpion 1000 than they do with their US counterparts therefore resulting in the smoother retrieve feel. He also stated that the Japanese as a whole tend to take better care of their equipment than we do so the small difference in the gears doesn't really effect the reels service life. Our gears are harder therefore not quite as smooth but don't require as much maintenance.   

[aavery2]

It's smoother. When I turn the handle on my XT1000 and then my CU50E, the XT1000 has a feeling of smoothness and connectivity that the CU50E doesn't have.

Do you think it is a perceivable enough difference that if you handed both reels to a novice they would notice?

[*Hootie]

Dude your avatar picture is you fishing from a jonboat, we jonboat fishermen may kick butt but we are hardly fanboy/follower material.

Oh I have a fan base on my lake Raul

You can hear them when I go by, whispering, "that's the guy with the NRX". I have been trying to get the park board to put a wrap one of the jonboats for me, but so far, they won't go for it.

Hootie

[aavery2]

Bantam1 explained this on another forum, Shimano uses slightly softer brass for the gears of the Scorpion 1000 than they do with their US counterparts therefore resulting in the smoother retrieve feel. He also stated that the Japanese as a whole tend to take better care of their equipment than we do so the small difference in the gears doesn't really effect the reels service life. Our gears are harder therefore not quite as smooth but don't require as much maintenance.   

So we are saying with all things else equal the reel with the softest gears will be the smoothest?

[War Eagle 44]

So we are saying with all things else equal the reel with the softest gears will be the smoothest?

 

 

Yes

[Hogsticker]

Don't forget the Shiney red knob caps on the new Scorpion! I agree, my XT is noticeably smoother than my 51e. I can spin the handle and it keeps on turning, where as the 51e stops short. Casts a little more effortlessly as well.

[John G]

Do you think it is a perceivable enough difference that if you handed both reels to a novice they would notice?

Yes! The XT1000 is a sweet little reel that's for sure. If you haven't read it, check out the Tackle Tour review of the XT1000. If you don't know your way around TT, from their homepage, click on review archives and scroll to the bottom where the JDM gear is.