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Kvd line and lure conditioner actually works.

I agree. Stuff works wonders for me especially on fluorocarbon.
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I haven't tried all the top lines but I have Tatsu and I am goin to take a guess and say Tatsu still wins. It's expensive but it actually lasts a long time and that silly complaint about memory with lines actually is a non issue even without L&L.

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On 6/15/2015 at 1:40 AM, hatrix said:

... that silly complaint about memory with lines actually is a non issue even without L&L.

Ok... I'll ask... why is that a non-issue?

 

I'm not the kind of guy that gets to fix numerous times a week.  I hate spending good money to spool up the reel with fluoro, then 5 weeks later it's loopy from only being used a few times.  

 

Am I missing something?  Or are you just one of the folks lucky enough to fish more often than me so your line isn't sitting on the reel for long periods?

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That would be correct, that a really active angler won't have the same issues with fluoro line coiling up as someone who fishes less actively. 

 

And, the pros who use fluoro "straight" as main lines, not just as leaders? They are often sponsored by a line manufacturer and can re-spool their reels at will, likely before every tournament, at least to a length beyond their casting distance. In contrast, most of us likely would spool on fresh line once a season or so.

 

I really like fluoro leaders, short at around 6 to 8 feet. I really don't like it straight . . . and I fish often. I use Seaguar Invizx.

 

One trick is to re-tie your terminal knot after catching a fish or two, re-tie the junction knot between main line and leader if you have snagged up and yanked the line hard, had a big battle with a large fish or know that you have scraped the line against things. Fresh fluoro line, after a single tug, works pretty well.

 

*Our fingers have amazing "touch" sensory capabilities. Most of us can "feel" when we have accidentally grabbed two pieces of paper from a sheaf of paper, say two pieces of typing paper. A piece of 20 lbs. typing paper is 3 or 4 thousandth's of an inch thick! So, with this ability, when using short leaders, it takes just a second to pinch it between your index finger and thumb, run it down the length of the leader . . . and you will feel any imperfections in the line if they exist.

 

Brad

 

 

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3 hours ago, TNReb said:

Ok... I'll ask... why is that a non-issue?

 

I'm not the kind of guy that gets to fix numerous times a week.  I hate spending good money to spool up the reel with fluoro, then 5 weeks later it's loopy from only being used a few times.  

 

Am I missing something?  Or are you just one of the folks lucky enough to fish more often than me so your line isn't sitting on the reel for long periods?

You won't get an answer since you dug up a a post started four years ago, and that particular member hasn't been on in over a year.

 

I will say this, I've been using Seaguar lines for several years.  They are the best, by far.  They invented fluorocarbon fishing line.  They are the only ones that use their own resins specifically developed for fishing line, and in the case of Tatsu, Finesse, and Leaders, is the only company to offer a double structure formula.  They have a tough abrasion resistant exterior, and soft interior.  The memory issue is actually the opposite with good fluoro.  I've had some on two spinning rods for 4 seasons now.  Memory is very minor.  Nothing like mono or copoly. 

 

I've really been digging the Finesse in 5.2 lb. and 6.2 lb. sizes for spinning and 12/15 for casting setups.  

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Tatsu is way out front of all others when it comes to fluorocarbon lines. I've had good luck with Gamma Edge as well, but it's much stiffer than Tatsu. I can't even tell I'm using fluoro with it, like fishing mono except I'm really careful tying my knots, just like with any other fluoro. 

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I think i depends on the type of reel you are spooling it on. On a spinning reel i'm partial to Invizx as long as you keep it under 12 lb test. On my baitcasters I don't see a lot of difference. 

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20 hours ago, Bluebasser86 said:

Tatsu is way out front of all others when it comes to fluorocarbon lines. I've had good luck with Gamma Edge as well, but it's much stiffer than Tatsu. I can't even tell I'm using fluoro with it, like fishing mono except I'm really careful tying my knots, just like with any other fluoro. 

I have always used Invizx and sometime Super Sniper FC and recently used Gamma Edge on a buddies setup and was surprised at how manageable it was compared to both of the others I listed. Do you think that Gamma Edge and Tatsu are by far the best? Any others worth noting?

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When this thread was alive Team9 stated Toray was his favorite and if I had participated in the post would have agreed. Toray is a process and comes in a wide variety of lines that include FC. Back in this time period I was using Toray Solaroam High Class Bass 100% FC line from Blackwater line. Tried Seaguar Tatsu and it didn't compare and was more expensive. Gave up buying all FC lines last year but still have Toray FC on a few reels. 

For me the problem with FC is knot strength and outweighs the advantage of low coeffient of drag in water that reduces most of the belly in the line for bottom contact lures like jigs and worms.

 

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I would say either Tatsu or Sunline Sniper... if price is an issue then Sniper wins out.  If you want something with even less price, less stretch than fluoro, tougher and a tad better manageability then try Yo-zuri Hybrid ... it’s a good and less expensive transition from braid/mono to fluorocarbon.  

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3 hours ago, Stephen B said:

I have always used Invizx and sometime Super Sniper FC and recently used Gamma Edge on a buddies setup and was surprised at how manageable it was compared to both of the others I listed. Do you think that Gamma Edge and Tatsu are by far the best? Any others worth noting?

I've been using some AbrasX recently and had good success with it. For light line applications, the Seaguar Finesse is really nice and super thin and manageable. I've tried lots of different brands and have come to the conclusion that if it isn't one of those lines, it's not worth using. 

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On 6/11/2015 at 3:51 PM, FryDog62 said:

The challenge you will have with fluorocarbon line is two-fold in my opinion: 1) Its lack of manageability...lots of memory can lead to rats nests.  And 2) it will stretch more than the braid and even the mono you are used to using.  

 

 

I have used mono, braid and copoly up til this point. Plan on trying fluoro this year. But it's always been my understanding that fluoro stretches LESS than mono. 

 

For those who use the KVD line conditioner, how often do you spray it? Just once after you spool your reel? Before every outing? 

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I only use Fluorocarbon as leader.

 

I been using Sunline for Seaguar for years and they both are excellent, I recently purchased some 

Seaguar red label and its been excellent, not one problem and a lot cheaper. 

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32 minutes ago, NorthernBasser said:

I have used mono, braid and copoly up til this point. Plan on trying fluoro this year. But it's always been my understanding that fluoro stretches LESS than mono. 

Conventional wisdom is that fluorocarbon stretches less than mono, but reality is that it actually stretches more.  However once wet, monofilament soaks up water and stretches more and eventually stretches about as much.  But not more.  I did a stretch test a couple years ago with about 30 different lines (you should be able to do a search for it on this forum) and the one line that stretches the least was Yo-Siri Hybrid.  It is a blend of mono /fluoro and stretches less, and doesn’t soak up water either.  It is a little thicker in diameter, but even the 6 pound test stretches less than any 8 pound fluorocarbon.  

 

Fluorocarbon is marketed hard to be a lot of things - some true, some not.  Perhaps in part because it is 2-3 times more expensive (and profitable) than mono.  

 

Dont get me wrong it has its place (when you need a line that sinks, when you need a leader to add stretch, etc.  abut again not because it stretches less or is significantly less visible than mono.  

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I use P-line tactical fluorocarbon. Strong and casts like mono. 

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On 11/9/2014 at 3:49 PM, roadwarrior said:

 

The finest line I have ever fished.

 

 

 

:fishing-026:

Same response today...

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I've been using Invisx and Abrasx a lot lately, and have been really pleased with them so far.  Abrasx is actually more supple than Invisx, which I didn't expect because it's more abrasion resistant.

 

Tatsu is the king of fluorocarbon, hands down.  I use it a lot, and might use more now that it cost less.

 

And the finesse fluorocarbon really does perform best for spinning/finesse tactics.  I don't have any line issues at all with it, the baits act more naturally, and it's extremely sensitive.

 

btw - I don't use leaders, so I can't comment on that application for any of these lines.

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Well Tatsu is the best fluorocarbon line. The real question is, is it worth the money?

 

I would go with something like AbrasX, InvisX or Berkley Trilene Fluorocarbon, which don't break the bank.

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3 minutes ago, Boomstick said:

Well Tatsu is the best fluorocarbon line. The real question is, is it worth the money?

 

I wonder how many times I've respooled my rods with mono or CXX, compared to the four years I've had Tatsu spooled up.  I'm only changing it this year because it's low on the spool.

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1 minute ago, J Francho said:

 

I wonder how many times I've respooled my rods with mono or CXX, compared to the four years I've had Tatsu spooled up.  I'm only changing it this year because it's low on the spool.

That's actually really impressive.

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