tater555 Posted October 18, 2014 Posted October 18, 2014 I'm in a state of panic right now. When I got my tdz 103h in the mail the first thing I did was spool it up and take it out in the yard for a few test runs. I noticed that the thumb bar was very very loose, so I took it apart and sure enough, my top clutch spring was just laying in the bottom of the reel. So I hooked it back up (in the right spot according to a parts breakdown I found) and put her back together, and back outside I go. After I pushed the thumb bar and released the spool, I heard the spring pop back out. Went back inside and tore it down once again and was putting the spring back in, when it popped out with supersonic speed and has managed to find a great hiding spot in my house. So my question is, what caused that spring to keep popping out and how can I fix it. I'm going to order a couple from daiwa so I will have one or two for back up, but I just don't understand why that spring wouldn't stay in place. Has anyone else had this problem? Any help would be GREATLY appreciated. Quote
tater555 Posted October 18, 2014 Author Posted October 18, 2014 I found the spring!!! Still gotta make her stay though haha any suggestions? Quote
Super User Raul Posted October 18, 2014 Super User Posted October 18, 2014 I found the spring!!! Still gotta make her stay though haha any suggestions? DVT, for cleanin´, lubin´, fixin´ & Carbontex drag pad upgrade ( the weak spot on TDZs is the drag pad system ), if you got it NIB that reel has at least 10 year old grease n´oil in it. Quote
Super User Jeff H Posted October 19, 2014 Super User Posted October 19, 2014 Check your reel for the "clutch cam plate" and make sure it isn't missing. Quote
tater555 Posted October 19, 2014 Author Posted October 19, 2014 Yeah everything is there. The hole in the frame of the reel where the clutch cam spring mounts seems to be worn out. ( the hole is a little to big and the spring wiggles it's way out) I have had this happen before with a field and stream reel, and I just soldered it. But I really don't wanna have to do that with this one Quote
Super User F14A-B Posted October 19, 2014 Super User Posted October 19, 2014 Shoot DVT a pm or give him a call, I bet you he has a good trick for that problem! Quote
Super User Jeff H Posted October 19, 2014 Super User Posted October 19, 2014 Fill it and drill it. You can do a good job of it if you take the time and use the proper size drill bit. Worth the effort considering the cost of a new frame. Quote
Super User F14A-B Posted October 19, 2014 Super User Posted October 19, 2014 Yea, I wanted to suggest that ( fill & drill ) but I have not done that to a reel, so naturally I was hesitant... Jb weld? Idk.. Frames are costly. Quote
Super User Jeff H Posted October 19, 2014 Super User Posted October 19, 2014 Yep. JB weld is worth a try. Drilling is going to be the biggest challenge with a bit that small. Will require some very steady hands and probably a Dremel to do it. Have to make sure you get proper depth also. It can be done, just have to take the time to do it right. Packing the JB weld in there could be fun too but it's possible. My question becomes this though....I have never seen this issue before and I wonder if something else could be wrong that caused it? Quote
Super User Raul Posted October 19, 2014 Super User Posted October 19, 2014 Fill and drill with what ? it´s a magnesium frame and magnesium can be quite touchy. So maybe I should say it once more, send it to DVT. Quote
Super User Jeff H Posted October 19, 2014 Super User Posted October 19, 2014 Yes, I with agree Raul and Alonerankin2....send it to DVT. It's better to do that first than make the problem worse before you send it on. My apologies. Quote
Super User aavery2 Posted October 19, 2014 Super User Posted October 19, 2014 Just a thought, but there is a chance that it may have the incorrect springs in it. I think I would order a set of springs and see if they fix the problem before I made any permanent changes to the reel. Quote
Super User .ghoti. Posted October 19, 2014 Super User Posted October 19, 2014 Some Daiwa reels have a very small insert, which fits into the hole in the frame, with the correct size hole for the spring. I can't remember if the TD-Z has that insert, but I think it does. If that is the case, and the insert is missing, the spring will not remain in place. Quote
Delaware Valley Tackle Posted October 19, 2014 Posted October 19, 2014 I can't see the frame being softer than the spring material. I think .ghoti is on the right path. I'd have to see it to really diagnose it though. Quote
tater555 Posted October 20, 2014 Author Posted October 20, 2014 Yeah it does have an insert in the spring hole. From the pics I have seen online, the spring looks correct. There is also a part# for it in a diagram I found on daiwas site. Part# G02-1301 (#49 on tdz 103h diagram) I think I'm gonna have to send this one off to get fixed. That spring collar in the frame does look wallowed out though, hopefully it won't take much to get her running smooth again. Thanks for the help and suggestions guys, I really do appreciate it! Quote
tater555 Posted October 20, 2014 Author Posted October 20, 2014 I forgot to clarify, the spring collar/insert is still in the spring mount hole Quote
Super User F14A-B Posted October 20, 2014 Super User Posted October 20, 2014 Idk, but I would try a new spring before sending it off.. Quote
Super User Raul Posted October 20, 2014 Super User Posted October 20, 2014 Well, for the third time, if it were my reel I would send it to DVT for cleanin´, lubin´, drag pad upgradin´ , n ´ fixin´ BEFORE YOU SCREW IT TRYING TO FIX IT !. But it´s your stuff ......... Quote
Super User J Francho Posted October 20, 2014 Super User Posted October 20, 2014 Yeah it does have an insert in the spring hole. From the pics I have seen online, the spring looks correct. There is also a part# for it in a diagram I found on daiwas site. Part# G02-1301 (#49 on tdz 103h diagram) I think I'm gonna have to send this one off to get fixed. That spring collar in the frame does look wallowed out though, hopefully it won't take much to get her running smooth again. Thanks for the help and suggestions guys, I really do appreciate it! Call Daiwa USA (562) 375-6800, ask for Toby. That collar is easy to replace, if they have the part. If you're not confident you can do the repair, send it to Mike @ DVT. Quote
tater555 Posted October 20, 2014 Author Posted October 20, 2014 Thanks j, how does that collar come out? If I can get the old one out I can definitely get the new one in and be good to go. I've already contacted DVT but if it ain't hard to get the collar out I will do it myself. I really like working on my own stuff, and would much rather do it myself. But I don't have the right tools then I would rather let someone who does work on it. Quote
Super User J Francho Posted October 20, 2014 Super User Posted October 20, 2014 Can you poke it out from the other side, with a paper clip? I can't remember if you can get at it from there. Might have to dig it out with a sewing needle. Quote
Delaware Valley Tackle Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 If all else fails, act like you forgot it's there and go clean the frame. I can almost guarantee it will be gone when you go to reassemble. Don't ask how I know. 2 Quote
Super User J Francho Posted October 20, 2014 Super User Posted October 20, 2014 ^^^^^This. lol. Quote
tater555 Posted October 20, 2014 Author Posted October 20, 2014 Hahaha that was good! That's about how my luck is most of the time. I just messed with it a few minutes and can't get it to budge, but I'm pretty Nervous use about putting any kind of force to this reel. This things goin to the pro's to get worked on. I really don't wanna screw this reel up because of a raggedy ol' spring hole lmao Quote
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