What Causes This?

[BassObsessed]

Recently while fishing Iv'e had some serious birdnests forming on my line as I'm casting. It's happening with braid and flouro on two different spinning rods/reels. It has been happening several times on both setups in the same day and the knot is so bad I just cut the line and retie. Going through line like crazy lately. Any ideas?

 

 

[Raul]

It happens cuz they´re spinning, you are leaving slightly slack line as you reel in, after some time the line is twisted and it jumps off the spool as the line flows from it causing the line to tangle.

[Lund Explorer]

I've seen several causes for this.  Like Raul said, slack reeled onto the spool will create loops of loose line going onto the spool.  You can also create twist by using plastic worms that aren't perfectly straight on the hook along with other lures like in-line spinners.

 

Try these things to see if they help.

 

1. Close your bail by hand and make sure there isn't any slack in the line as you start to reel.

 

2. After the fact, DO NOT pull the twist off the spool with the bail open.  Close the bail, loosen the drag all the way, and slowly pull the line off just like a big fish is pulling it off.  This should remove the loops with letting them knot up.

[lectricbassman]

It happens to me all the time when im careless and not paying attention. Flukes without a swivel, windy days, and when my baits are too light for the setup im using seem to be my problems

[flipin4bass]

I call it professional over-run when it happens to me.

[BassObsessed]

Thanks for all the replies. It's weird that it just started happening and it's on the same lures Iv'e been throwing pretty consistently. It's happening while throwing a hollow body frog on braid and 7'' worms on flouro. Even respooled with a different brand of braid and still doing it.

[BigMoneyGrip]

I was experiencing the exact problem. After trying everything under the sun, my soloution was a bait caster.

[Sam]

Line twist.

 

The bait is spinning and the line is getting twisted.

 

The lighter the line the more twist problems you will have.

 

Line twist is known to haunt spinning reels more than baitcasters.

 

You can reel the line tight via having it go through your thumb and forefinger but it will twist anyway.

 

You can add a swivel but line twist is a part of fishing some techniques and no matter what you do line twist will be there.

[WRB]

Check the roller on the bail, it maybe frozen and not turning freely. Braid shouldn't be twisting, it has very little memory. Your lure may be spinning in the water when you reel in fast, that can be a problem. Loops are caused by the bail catching loose line, your problem is line twist, not loops.

A good line dressing like Tangle Free will help reduce line twist.

Make sure the line isn't being twisted when you spool on the line. The filler spool should lay flat, not on a spindle, with a spinning reel. When you wind on the line run it through your finger with very light pressure and watch the coils coming off the flat filler spool. If the coils start to twist, flip the flat filler spool over on the opposite side, then continue. Most filler spools work with spinning reels label up.

If you use a spindle type line spooler, the line should come off the bottom of the spool, not the top.

Good luck.

Tom

[Catch and Grease]

I'd bet my money its what WRB mentioned, make sure the lines coming off the spool in the right direction when your spooling up your reel.

[Snakehead Whisperer]

I was pretty much ready to write exactly what Lund Explorer did. Much of the time when this happens it is due to using the reel to close the bail instead of your hand. A few other things that cause line twist would be...

 

-overfilling the spool (leave 1/8" when spooling)

-reeling against the drag (don't reel while a fish is running and taking out drag. Well, not too much at least.)

-reeling in lures that have debris stuck on them can do this too if the debris causes them to spin. 

 

I do a lot of light line fishing on spinning gear, and line twist is a fact of life. You can do a lot to mitigate it, but you can't really eliminate it completely.

 

A good line conditioner like Ardent Line Butter or Tangle Free like WRB said will help out too, especially with the braid. 

[Catch 22]

Throwing light lures is  usually where my problems arise. They don`t create enough line pressure to wrap on the spool tightly

 

Try this. Take all the line off. Walk it across the yard,or let it out behind the boat, whatever .Without any lure or weight on it wind it on with substantial finger pressure on the line.

 

Been doing this for yrs now with mono and braid.This method creates the least amount of problems that I have found.

 

Also try to keep the rod tip speed low when casting.They are called wind knots,but I call them friction knots.

Hope this helps .

 

C22

[BassObsessed]

Thanks again for all the replies...I have alot of things to try to resolve the issue.

[Driftb]

I don't know what other people here are seeing, but both tangles look to me like they are in very heavy line.  Heavier line than I consiider appropriate for spiinning reels.  It's possible that your spools are undersized for your line diameter.  This will cause line to jump off the spool in coils and if the line has a twist in it, knots like you have will be the result, especially when casting light lures.  I have had terrible luck with flourocarbon line, mainly because it is so stiff. I I use 30 series reels and the spool diameters are too smalll for any flouro but the lightest pound tests.  When I want to use heavier, stiffer lines, like flouro, mono, or heavy braids I go to a baitcaster.  I reserve spinning reels for lines twelve and under, superlines (braid) twenty and under.  Casting reels shine with heavier lines, monos 12 and up, braids 20 and up.

[SirSnookalot]

It happens to me all the time when im careless and not paying attention. Flukes without a swivel, windy days, and when my baits are too light for the setup im using seem to be my problems

Line twist, then the line hist the first guide and creates a windknot.  No perfect solution but to help reduce it try using heavier lures and casting with less force.  I get them almost everyday using my freshwater gear, hardly ever with my saltwater stuff, same braid poundage but my lures are heavier and I make long flowing casts, not snap casts, I actually cast farther too.