TC235 <*))))>< Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 I wish I had a dollar for every one of those rumors that is actually true. I'd still be penniless. At least that's how it is around here. Every pond you go to, someone knows someone that pulled a 10 out of there last [insert day, week, year]. Agree with you there.. Only reason i believe it one of the ponds i fish still produces 7-8lbs..... I met a guy with my father who showed me a 9lbsumthing bass mount caught in a pond in wareham MA. Guy had a bunch of bassfishing gear and two bass boats so pretty d**n sure it wasen't no fake. Especially considering the pond he said he caught the bass in......Got a guy on my local fourms who caught a 9lb in mass in the south shore. Pic and weightd officially.... Got my pb at 8.5 in MA Cant speak for the rest of new england, but MASS got some true monsters.. Just comes down to finding the BOWs they live in. Quote
Super User J Francho Posted September 23, 2014 Super User Posted September 23, 2014 No doubt, some ponds have something going on. One I hit produced two sixes - I know because I caught them. The second one was interesting. I hooked it, and a bigger fish attacked it. It was bigger by a lot. But 10? probably more like 7 or 8. That fish is the only reason I still fish this particular pond, lol. Quote
Super User 00 mod Posted September 23, 2014 Super User Posted September 23, 2014 Every time J posted that beautiful brown I cry a little. Just sayin'. Jeff 1 Quote
Mainebass1984 Posted September 23, 2014 Author Posted September 23, 2014 Theres a few ponds on the south shore an cape that had 9s and 10s pulled out. One place in particular supposedly had a decect population of 7-10lb back in the 80s... I heard about this place on the cape. The guy who taught me how to bass knew of it. He was a member of buzzards luck bass club back in the 80s and was club president for awhile. If that the place we are talking about is the same place the also had some club tourneys on it. 5 fish 36 lbs won it one year. Quote
MassBass Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 Keep in mind that the 15lb MA state record was caught thru the ice by a crappie fisherman with a small panfish jig. Quote
RMcDuffee726 Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 I know a couple spots in Southern NH that hold fat 6's and probably a 7 or 8 when they feed up or get super pregnant. I also have a couple spots that produce 5's on occasion. I'm not saying I know a holy grail honey hole, but I deff have a few spots I don't like telling people on my list of where I fish. Quote
Super User Catch and Grease Posted September 24, 2014 Super User Posted September 24, 2014 Keep in mind that the 15lb MA state record was caught thru the ice by a crappie fisherman with a small panfish jig. Uh is this true?? Quote
BassObsessed Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 15 and a half pounds is definitely a beast of a fish to be caught that far north. Quote
Mainebass1984 Posted September 25, 2014 Author Posted September 25, 2014 Uh is this true?? There was a lot of suspicion surrounding that fish. RUMOR was that it was caught in FL and brought back on ice. It is in the record book so that is what has to be beat in Mass. You got to go pretty far south before a 15 lb plus bass is a state record. 2 Quote
RMcDuffee726 Posted September 25, 2014 Posted September 25, 2014 Keep in mind that the 15lb MA state record was caught thru the ice by a crappie fisherman with a small panfish jig. Somebody had to bring that on ice from down south, unless that was nature creating a freak of nature. That fish had to run show in that pond hahaha. 1 Quote
Smokinal Posted September 25, 2014 Posted September 25, 2014 Maine, I'm going out Sunday. I'll post up a pic of one here shortly.... Quote
Mainebass1984 Posted September 25, 2014 Author Posted September 25, 2014 Somebody had to bring that on ice from down south, unless that was nature creating a freak of nature. That fish had to run show in that pond hahaha. If it truly was caught in Mass then it was a freak of nature. Every other state record that breaks 15 lbs was caught below the Mason-Dixon line with one exception. Virginia. 2 Quote
Mainebass1984 Posted September 25, 2014 Author Posted September 25, 2014 Maine, I'm going out Sunday. I'll post up a pic of one here shortly.... Do it ! I would love to see it. Hey I am free during the week all next week if you want to get out fishing where I know 10lbers swim. Quote
shanksmare Posted September 25, 2014 Posted September 25, 2014 The Massachusetts state record bass was reportedly caught in Sampsons Pond in Carver. According to a friend of the record holder it was indeed not caught there. THe following is what this person told me at the time. It actually came from a small pond on the Agawam River chain just below Glen Charlie Pond. The record holder was specifically targetting this fish. He had seen it prior to catching it. He had actually hooked and lost the fish prior to landing it. He caught it on live bait (a shiner I believe) on the last day of fishing season for that year (Feb. 28th). I was a founding member of the Plymouth Rock Bassmasters, the oldest Bass Club in Massachusetts. We had two members who had reportedly caught bass over 10 lbs. One I would consider acidental, the other specifically targetted big bass during the spawn and spent each spring chasing big bass. It was a lot easier to catch a 5 lb. bass in MA at that time than it is now. A 10 lber would most likely come from waters similar to that in which the state record was caught. It would be in waters in which have an outlet to the sea so that alewifes and blueback herring would spawn there, thereby providing a substantial food source. I believe the pond which produced the 32 lb limit, Mashpee-Wakepee is such a body of water. I always enjoyed fishing this pond. It certainly had/has the potential to produce large fish - 10 lbs maybe but I doubt it considering the pressure it receives. 2 Quote
Super User J Francho Posted September 25, 2014 Super User Posted September 25, 2014 It would be in waters in which have an outlet to the sea so that alewifes and blueback herring would spawn there, thereby providing a substantial food source. This is huge to the point of monster bass in NE. The "herring corridor." Herring is why some of the northeast records are so big. 2 Quote
einscodek Posted September 25, 2014 Posted September 25, 2014 Why is herring key? Are they any easier to catch than bluegills for bass? I would think key would be that these monster bass are coming from ponds where fishing pressure is low. I believe the NJ record came form such a pond. High pressure areas where people are catching bass and frying them on a skillet or posterizing 5 pounders on their walls are keeping those 20 inchers from turning into 27 inchers Quote
Super User J Francho Posted September 25, 2014 Super User Posted September 25, 2014 Same reason those CA fish get big on stocked trout - high fat and protein, soft body, and tons available to eat with little effort. I want to be clear - fishing pressure may have something to do with whether big fish are easily caught or not, but it has ZERO influence on size. Look up Lake Dixon. 1 Quote
Mainebass1984 Posted September 25, 2014 Author Posted September 25, 2014 I absolutely hate it when someone sees a picture of an angler holding a big bass and assumes it was easily caught. Assumes there was no fishing pressure on the lake. I hate assumptions. Should never assume anything. "A bunch of big bass were caught out of that lake", there must be no fishing pressure there. "That guy catches a lot of 10 lb bass, he must fish where the fish have never seen a lure." Quote
Super User J Francho Posted September 25, 2014 Super User Posted September 25, 2014 I would argue that most records come out of regularly fished spots. Why? People are fishing them frequently, lol. Quote
Super User deep Posted September 25, 2014 Super User Posted September 25, 2014 If it truly was caught in Mass then it was a freak of nature. Every other state record that breaks 15 lbs was caught below the Mason-Dixon line with one exception. Virginia. The VA state record is almost certainly a FLMB. That reservoir and several others have FLMB and intergrades. Quote
einscodek Posted September 25, 2014 Posted September 25, 2014 Same reason those CA fish get big on stocked trout - high fat and protein, soft body, and tons available to eat with little effort. I want to be clear - fishing pressure may have something to do with whether big fish are easily caught or not, but it has ZERO influence on size. Look up Lake Dixon. Point taken but I think there are many factors at play here to say anything has zero effect. The watershed needs to be able to support big bass agreed. Food sources like herrings or other abundance food sources are easier to catch then even better. Big deep lakes may also provide areas where the gals can more easily avoid anglers and allow continued growth.. but nothing halts growth faster than a skillet or a wallmount. You dont worry about abundant food nor places to hide when yer caught and kept. Quote
Super User J Francho Posted September 25, 2014 Super User Posted September 25, 2014 People fish waters because they are productive. The circumstances that grow gigantic bass (or any species) are almost always weird, and don't follow the "blueprint." Quote
einscodek Posted September 25, 2014 Posted September 25, 2014 People fish waters because they are productive. The circumstances that grow gigantic bass (or any species) are almost always weird, and don't follow the "blueprint." Any known gigantic bass lakes in the NE? .. any gigantic bass in Canada? Quote
Super User J Francho Posted September 25, 2014 Super User Posted September 25, 2014 You can do your own research. Around here....Erie, Conesus, Keuka, and a few smaller mud puddles that shall remain unnamed on the internet....record fish, though? I don't know. Think about the Perry fish....came from an Oxbow that doesn't exist anymore. Sort blows that deep water theory, doesn't it? The NY record came from a private pond. Hmmmmmmm...... 1 Quote
shanksmare Posted September 25, 2014 Posted September 25, 2014 Same reason those CA fish get big on stocked trout - high fat and protein, soft body, and tons available to eat with little effort. I want to be clear - fishing pressure may have something to do with whether big fish are easily caught or not, but it has ZERO influence on size. Look up Lake Dixon. I'm not sure if fishing pressure has no effect on the potential size of a bass. Not each bass hatched has the potential to become a DD specimen. The more aggressive small bass have the greater potential to reach DD size. But by being most aggressive they are also most likely to be caught. Once they are caught 3 things can happen and 2 of them are bad (for the bass). They can be kept, they can be released and die from the experience or they can be released and survive. If there is no one fishing for them then it is academic. Back in 1975 when Plymouth Rock Bassmasters was formed there were a lot less fishermen than there are today. Todays fishermen have much more sophisticated equipment than the bass fisherman in 1975 (just look at depthfinders, side scanners, GPS's, etc). So there are just not more fishermen but there are more effective fishermen now than in 1975. When I fished in 1975 I was pretty much assured of catching at least one bass each day that was 5 lbs or better. According to friends who now bass fish in MA that has changed. They say that in the same locations that produced daily 5 lbers in the 1970's, they are lucky to get 3 or 4 five lbers in a season. I know that here in FL you are much more likely to catch a large bass in private ponds than in those of the public variety. Quote
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