illinifan4152 Posted September 18, 2014 Posted September 18, 2014 Hello everyone. I was looking for a little advice from those of you who have used both. I currently own a Curado E7 and a Chronarch E7, so i know how they fish... I have not fished with the new Curado yet and I didnt know if it was worth buying the new Curado or just get another Chronarch E. I will most likely be getting it for crankbaits, so it will be in the 5 gear ratio. Thank you in advanced!!! Quote
Super User aavery2 Posted September 18, 2014 Super User Posted September 18, 2014 I have not fished the I series reels, but will say that the CU200E5 is one of my favorite crankbait reels. No hurry to get an I series let people fish them a while and see how the reliability is going to be, you know the CU200 reels are solid. 1 Quote
bootytrain Posted September 18, 2014 Posted September 18, 2014 Your benefits are going to be longer casting, smoother and more power on the retrieve, possibly better ergos. Quote
ColdSVT Posted September 18, 2014 Posted September 18, 2014 As of today i now own a curado e and curado i As soon as i get out ill have a comparison of the two 1 Quote
ColdSVT Posted September 19, 2014 Posted September 19, 2014 Thank you very much! If it feels like anything near my chronarch ci4 im gonna have to give the nod to the i series over the e lol Quote
Super User fishballer06 Posted September 19, 2014 Super User Posted September 19, 2014 I love my Chronarch E5 series. I also love my Curado I series 6 and 7's. You won't go wrong with either of those two reels. Quote
bass1980 Posted September 19, 2014 Posted September 19, 2014 I have both E and I's. I like the I better and I'm not trying to be bias since it's a new design. To me I series is just smoother and cast smoother. I think it cast further, but I have not done a side by side comparison. In fact I like it more than my Chronarch Ci4+. If the reel was under 7 oz I'd be stack with them. It's hard for me to pay $200 on an E series with old technology when I know the I series has newer technology and cheaper. I'm sure people will question durability of the I series because it's new but the gamble isn't too big considering it's a Shimano. 1 Quote
GoDeep Posted September 19, 2014 Posted September 19, 2014 Hello everyone. I was looking for a little advice from those of you who have used both. I currently own a Curado E7 and a Chronarch E7, so i know how they fish... I have not fished with the new Curado yet and I didnt know if it was worth buying the new Curado or just get another Chronarch E. I will most likely be getting it for crankbaits, so it will be in the 5 gear ratio. Thank you in advanced!!! The Curado I delivers the same, if not a little better performance than a Chronarch E series, though I prefer the set it and forget VBS system found on the Chronarchs. You can't go wrong either way IMO, but the Curado I can be found for around $155. Quote
Super User aavery2 Posted September 19, 2014 Super User Posted September 19, 2014 The Curado I delivers the same, if not a little better performance than a Chronarch E series, though I prefer the set it and forget VBS system found on the Chronarchs. You can't go wrong either way IMO, but the Curado I can be found for around $155. This brings up something interesting that I have been mulling over. So, the Chronarch E came to be because as Shimano explains the weakening US dollar, and it could no longer produce a reel that had the same quality as the Curado E for the money. The name was changed to Chronarch E, they changed the paint and double anodized the spool and handle and raised the price to $199 US retail. Now comes the the Curado I, with some innovative features and it is argued to be the best Curado to date. What I find interesting is that didn't Shimano themselves tell you that they could no longer make a reel that was the same quality as the Curado E for that price, yet the Curado I is less expensive so how could it be better. Something does not add up.... Quote
GoDeep Posted September 19, 2014 Posted September 19, 2014 This brings up something interesting that I have been mulling over. So, the Chronarch E came to be because as Shimano explains the weakening US dollar, and it could no longer produce a reel that had the same quality as the Curado E for the money. The name was changed to Chronarch E, they changed the paint and double anodized the spool and handle and raised the price to $199 US retail. Now comes the the Curado I, with some innovative features and it is argued to be the best Curado to date. What I find interesting is that didn't Shimano themselves tell you that they could no longer make a reel that was the same quality as the Curado E for that price, yet the Curado I is less expensive so how could it be better. Something does not add up.... Shimano lied. They made something cheaper, and raised the price to increase profits. The backlash they got for the Curado G that wasn't bad at all IMO, is what made them do a 180 with the Curado I. Shimano took a beating with the Curado G from loyal fans so they needed something to redeem them. That is the Curado I. Just my opinion anyway. Quote
Smallmouth Hunter Posted September 19, 2014 Posted September 19, 2014 This brings up something interesting that I have been mulling over. So, the Chronarch E came to be because as Shimano explains the weakening US dollar, and it could no longer produce a reel that had the same quality as the Curado E for the money. The name was changed to Chronarch E, they changed the paint and double anodized the spool and handle and raised the price to $199 US retail. Now comes the the Curado I, with some innovative features and it is argued to be the best Curado to date. What I find interesting is that didn't Shimano themselves tell you that they could no longer make a reel that was the same quality as the Curado E for that price, yet the Curado I is less expensive so how could it be better. Something does not add up.... the Curado 50/51e was $199 too. They only raised the price on the 200/201 size from 179 to 199 when they introduced the Chronarch E. Quote
bootytrain Posted September 19, 2014 Posted September 19, 2014 Shimano lied. They made something cheaper, and raised the price to increase profits. The backlash they got for the Curado G that wasn't bad at all IMO, is what made them do a 180 with the Curado I. Shimano took a beating with the Curado G from loyal fans so they needed something to redeem them. That is the Curado I. Just my opinion anyway. Im gonna have to disagree with this, Shimano originally intended to sell the Curado E for $199 but gave anglers a break and sold it for $179, made in Japan and still made in Japan to this day as the Chronarch E. The Curado G and the Current I are made in Malaysia in a new facility they opened after the big earthquake. Labor costs are a lot less in Malaysia than Japan. Granted couple of components changed on the G and it had a couple less bearings, but the MSRP was also cheaper. Rising cost of raw materials contributed to this too. See the huge price hikes Daiwa implemented in its made in Japan reels. I dont think it was unnecessary to rebrand the Curado into a Chronarch but they can do what they want to do. Just because they bash the Curado G on this forum doesn't mean it wasn't a success. Notice how the T3s have been half price for almost a year and not sold out at TW, yet when the Curado G goes on sale for 99$ its gone within a day or 2. Quote
bootytrain Posted September 19, 2014 Posted September 19, 2014 the Curado 50/51e was $199 too. They only raised the price on the 200/201 size from 179 to 199 when they introduced the Chronarch E. This brings up something interesting that I have been mulling over. So, the Chronarch E came to be because as Shimano explains the weakening US dollar, and it could no longer produce a reel that had the same quality as the Curado E for the money. The name was changed to Chronarch E, they changed the paint and double anodized the spool and handle and raised the price to $199 US retail. Now comes the the Curado I, with some innovative features and it is argued to be the best Curado to date. What I find interesting is that didn't Shimano themselves tell you that they could no longer make a reel that was the same quality as the Curado E for that price, yet the Curado I is less expensive so how could it be better. Something does not add up.... Labor costs a lot less in Malaysia than Japan. The Curado I is better due to the newer technology and design. Quote
Super User aavery2 Posted September 19, 2014 Super User Posted September 19, 2014 Labor costs a lot less in Malaysia than Japan. The Curado I is better due to the newer technology and design. Wasn't the G series made in Malaysia, seems like it retailed at 159.00 when it was released. There were several things in the G series that were downgraded from the E and when both location and cheaper parts are considered it was only 20 dollars less expensive. Something still does not add up to me, if labor is significantly cheaper seems like that reel would have been available at a lower retail price. What I am saying is if they had to reduce quality and move production to Malaysia to produce a reel that retailed at 159, how can they produce a reel that is 20 dollars more and be significantly better than E. Quote
bass1980 Posted September 19, 2014 Posted September 19, 2014 Like what's said above the labor cost. Let throw out some fake numbers to use as an example. Let's say it cost Shimano $100 for materials on both E and I series. Now what if it cost them $50 to manufacture in japan due to higher employee pay vs Malaysia which cost them $10 to manufacture because they pay Malaysian workers little. I'm the end the E cost them $150 to manufacture while selling for $200, $50 profit. The I cost them $110 to manufacture while selling for $180, $70 profit. The quality control in Japanese manufacting shops is very good so some people are afraid that the Curado I will have problems due to being manufacture in Malaysia. Keep in mind there are a few Shimano work horse reels that are made in Malaysia already. Again these are just made up numbers to help some people get a better understanding of manufacturing. Ever wonder why so many American companies have their product made in China? Cheap labor = maximum profits. 1 Quote
bass1980 Posted September 19, 2014 Posted September 19, 2014 So that's how you can get a better reel in the "I" series to be cheaper than the E series. Although Shimano raising the price on the "white" Curado probably wasn't 100% true. Quote
bootytrain Posted September 20, 2014 Posted September 20, 2014 Wasn't the G series made in Malaysia, seems like it retailed at 159.00 when it was released. There were several things in the G series that were downgraded from the E and when both location and cheaper parts are considered it was only 20 dollars less expensive. Something still does not add up to me, if labor is significantly cheaper seems like that reel would have been available at a lower retail price. What I am saying is if they had to reduce quality and move production to Malaysia to produce a reel that retailed at 159, how can they produce a reel that is 20 dollars more and be significantly better than E. What makes it better is the newer technology. If they manufactured then I in Japan then I'm thinking the msrp would be at least 200. If I recall the D was $199 Quote
Super User aavery2 Posted September 20, 2014 Super User Posted September 20, 2014 What makes it better is the newer technology. If they manufactured then I in Japan then I'm thinking the msrp would be at least 200. If I recall the D was $199 I can buy that tech. makes the difference. The D series retailed at 199 and Chronarch MG was 249. 199 was about a 70 dollar increase in price over the BSF. Quote
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