Backlashing W/ Chronarch Ci4

[Arv]

I was wondering if any of yall have found the new Chronarch to be a little finicky when casting? I have been having some trouble with the reel backlashing pretty bad, say, 1/30 casts or so. I haven't had one so bad that I've had to cut it out (I use 30# braid) but it will catch and jerk my lure back early in the cast when these backlashes happen. I'm no noob when it comes to casting baitcasters, and I've used reels with dual braking systems. If you've had trouble with this and figured it out, what have you done to fix it? Thanks!

[deaknh03]

Sounds like maybe the line is digging or kinked??

[Arv]

Sounds like maybe the line is digging or kinked??

It could be. I've wondered that too but I'm leaning towards no though b/c the only time I really have digging issues w/ 30# is when I have to pull off a snag. These backlashes will happen after a normal retrieve w/ any number of lures, jigs to cranks. Unless regular Power Pro is more apt to dig into itself at this diameter... I don't have problems with 20# PP on another reel though. 

 

I'm wondering if the magnetic style brakes are more sensitive than I'm used to as compared to other reels I've used.

[new2BC4bass]

Has to be you.  Everyone knows a Shimano reel is "set and forget". 

 

Sorry.  Couldn't help myself.

[Arv]

Has to be you.  Everyone knows a Shimano reel is "set and forget". 

 

Sorry.  Couldn't help myself.

Lol. I would actually agree though. From Citica's to my Core, I've never had to worry about the brakes... which is part of the reason I'm curious as to why I'm getting hung up w/ this reel.

[GoDeep]

The Infinity SVS system isn't set it and forget it like the VBS system was. It's not bad though.

[QUAKEnSHAKE]

It could be. I've wondered that too but I'm leaning towards no though b/c the only time I really have digging issues w/ 30# is when I have to pull off a snag. These backlashes will happen after a normal retrieve w/ any number of lures, jigs to cranks. Unless regular Power Pro is more apt to dig into itself at this diameter... I don't have problems with 20# PP on another reel though. 

 

I'm wondering if the magnetic style brakes are more sensitive than I'm used to as compared to other reels I've used.

I have used 20# PPs8S and 832 on mine.

CI4+ has a single brake system NON magnetic its centrifugal only & that dial adjusts the pipe closer/farther from the brake tabs. Ive noticed that this reel is very fast compared to my other older vbs shimano reels core and 50E's. The faster spool will bring out any dig issue more than the slower spool that you may be accustomed to.This faster feeling can get you when you have the tension too loose. Having the tension too loose causes some slop in the spool and can cause spool(brake tabs attatched to spool) to move away slightly from the pipe causing less braking momentarily. If you are lightly braked to begin with this will be more of an issue. So Id say check the spool tension for side to side play minimize it. 

[War Eagle 44]

Chronarch CI4+ doesn't have dual brakes or magnets. Just centrifugal brakes as with most Shimano reels. All the adjustment dial on the outside of the reel does is move the brake race closer or further away from the brake tabs.

[QUAKEnSHAKE]

Lol. I would actually agree though. From Citica's to my Core, I've never had to worry about the brakes... which is part of the reason I'm curious as to why I'm getting hung up w/ this reel.

The core even with just one brake on, the red one, has too much braking. This why people think it works so well it sort of spoiled people thats not a bad thing though. The SVS can be set for very light braking making it a better system for those that can take advantage of it or learn to.

[Arv]

I have used 20# PPs8S and 832 on mine.

CI4+ has a single brake system NON magnetic its centrifugal only & that dial adjusts the pipe closer/farther from the brake tabs. Ive noticed that this reel is very fast compared to my other older vbs shimano reels core and 50E's. The faster spool will bring out any dig issue more than the slower spool that you may be accustomed to.This faster feeling can get you when you have the tension too loose. Having the tension too loose causes some slop in the spool and can cause spool(brake tabs attatched to spool) to move away slightly from the pipe causing less braking momentarily. If you are lightly braked to begin with this will be more of an issue. So Id say check the spool tension for side to side play minimize it. 

Thanks! I'll play around with it and see how it goes. And thanks for the clarification on the braking system specifics as well. I didn't read too much into it and just kind of assumed it was a dual braking system... and you know what assuming things gets you...

[bootytrain]

The way I fish the SVS Infinity systems is to pick how many tabs I want to activate, I ususally use 1 or 2 for heavier good casting lures, and if I have a really light bait or its windy then I use 3 with my Curado I(same 4 brake tab configuration as the Chronarch).  Then if Im getting backlashes I turn the outside dial all the way to 6. This adds more friction to the activated brake tabs and usually will handle any backlash or overrun. Then I slowly back the dial down to get the maximum distance.

[Smallmouth Hunter]

It could be. I've wondered that too but I'm leaning towards no though b/c the only time I really have digging issues w/ 30# is when I have to pull off a snag. These backlashes will happen after a normal retrieve w/ any number of lures, jigs to cranks. Unless regular Power Pro is more apt to dig into itself at this diameter... I don't have problems with 20# PP on another reel though.

I'm wondering if the magnetic style brakes are more sensitive than I'm used to as compared to other reels I've used.

the ci4+ Doesn't have magnetic brakes. The dial on it tunes the centrifugal brakes by making all the ones in the on position slightly more/less powerful.

[fishballer06]

30 pound might be a hair too thin. I always use 40 and 50 pound Suffix 832 and I never have any problems (I own 2 ci4's). Do you have mono backing? Is the spool properly filled? I have noticed this issue some whenever I started getting low on line. 

 

How many of the brakes do you have on inside? I normally run with 2 on, 2 off and the fine adjustment on 1.5 to 3. On a windy day with spinnerbaits and buzzbaits, I'll go 3 on, 1 off. Having the 3 on, 1 off setting will cut down your casting distance, but it will basically eliminate the backlashes on any of the new SVS reels (ci4, Curado I). 

[bass1980]

I do find the Chronarch ci4 being more finicky which is uncharactoristic of recent Shimano reels. I had issue using one for cranks but I think my rod to lure weight was more of the problem. I also have another ci4 I use for frogging. After experimenting with my other reel, a Curado I, I felt like the Curado was a lot more predictable. It is not revo SX gen 3 finicky though lol. Not even close.

[TorqueConverter]

Braid doesn't want to go onto or come off of the spool once it becomes too soft and this can casue the line to tangle as it comes off the spool causing backlashes.  I'd cut soem line off to get into some fresh stuff to see if the problem goes away.  You aren't using PP Super 8 Slick are you?

[OnthePotomac]

I have three C14's and let my 19 year old grandson fish with one one day.  He constantly had a back lash.  My reels have two brakes on and the dial at #1.  I have never had the problem, so I watched him for awhile and suggested that he back off on the muscle on a cast and just let the reel do the work with a wrist flick.  He tried it and the back lashes stopped.

[Raul]

It´s a Shimano, therefore it´s operator error.

[Arv]

Braid doesn't want to go onto or come off of the spool once it becomes too soft and this can casue the line to tangle as it comes off the spool causing backlashes. I'd cut soem line off to get into some fresh stuff to see if the problem goes away. You aren't using PP Super 8 Slick are you?

It's brand new original pp.

[Arv]

I have three C14's and let my 19 year old grandson fish with one one day. He constantly had a back lash. My reels have two brakes on and the dial at #1. I have never had the problem, so I watched him for awhile and suggested that he back off on the muscle on a cast and just let the reel do the work with a wrist flick. He tried it and the back lashes stopped.

I do tend to heave my cranks out there. Maybe I'll back of the juice.

[Dramer77]

I do tend to heave my cranks out there. Maybe I'll back of the juice.

Is it backlashing in the middle if a cast or the end? I had this issues with a ci4 and my curado I .. Apparently with the super fast spool you need to run more spool tension , with my revos,quantums etc I set the spool tension to where when I push the button the lure slowly drops to the ground, can't do that with the svs on the curado and ci4 if you wanna chuck a bait out there.. I had to tighten the spool tension so the it would only drop when I shake it

[Arv]

Is it backlashing in the middle if a cast or the end? I had this issues with a ci4 and my curado I .. Apparently with the super fast spool you need to run more spool tension , with my revos,quantums etc I set the spool tension to where when I push the button the lure slowly drops to the ground, can't do that with the svs on the curado and ci4 if you wanna chuck a bait out there.. I had to tighten the spool tension so the it would only drop when I shake it

Yeah, this is sounding more and more like the issue. Other reels I'd set pretty loose with the spool tension. I did the same with the ci4. It's probably what I need to look at first.

[*Hootie]

It´s a Shimano, therefore it´s operator error.

Raul, I like the way you think.

Hootie

[ec1]

I had a similar issue as you, but finally figured out what I was doing wrong.

 

For the longest time, I had a 1 brake, and the dial at 6 as the set and forget - but after a few too many backlashes for my liking, I finally turned decided to use 2 brakes. With 2, I actually rotate between 2-6 on the dial depending on how windy the day is. Another thing was that these reels with the SVS infinity actually casted better than my previous core 100mgfv, and there was absolutely no "snap" needed to get the distance I wanted.

 

The thing that I do miss about the 1 brake setting, was the whirring sound that you got similar to a dc reel. It only happened for the chronarch ci4 though, the metanium never had a whirring sound no matter how little I used for the braking.

[new2BC4bass]

Yeah, this is sounding more and more like the issue. Other reels I'd set pretty loose with the spool tension. I did the same with the ci4. It's probably what I need to look at first.

 

I try to run my spool tension very low on all my reels.  It doesn't always work.  I use at least 6 different brands with at least 4 different braking systems, but even with different models in the same brand (got at least 9 in one brand), I can't always run spool tension the same.  Same goes for snapping a hard cast.  Some are okay with that while others will give me fits.  The lighter the spool, the easier I have to be.  I can snap cast my Trion or Chronarch 100B, but the tuned 105HL and Alphas ito don't like it.  Least you think it is magnetic only reels that can't handle a snap cast, I have to say that my 50th Zillion will and is one of my easiest reels to cast.