Adrian Peterson - I Hope It's Not True

[flyfisher]

Already went to grand jury and he testified to how the marks go there.  From what i found this was the second time through, the first was not pursued....and i am not a fan of corporal punishment at any age but it is even worse when a child gets hit  hard enough to leave those kinds of marks when he is exhibiting completely normal behavior for a 4 year old that is where i have a problem more than anything and oh yeah, it was for pushing his brother in case you missed that part too.

 

you would also think that someone who had their child killed by a step father would be more cognizant of how their physical actions can harm a young child.

[Jrob78]

Quote from Peterson

 

When Peterson was asked how he felt about the incident, he said, “To be honest with you, I feel very confident with my actions because I know my intent.” He also described the incident as a “normal whooping” in regards to the “welps” on the child’s buttocks, but that he felt bad immediately when he saw the injuries on the child’s legs. Peterson estimated he “swatted” his son “10 to 15” times, but he’s not sure because he doesn’t “ever count how many pops I give my kids.

[Catch and Grease]

What source did you get those quotes from?

[F14A-B]

Already went to grand jury and he testified to how the marks go there. From what i found this was the second time through, the first was not pursued....and i am not a fan of corporal punishment at any age but it is even worse when a child gets hit hard enough to leave those kinds of marks when he is exhibiting completely normal behavior for a 4 year old that is where i have a problem more than anything and oh yeah, it was for pushing his brother in case you missed that part too.

you would also think that someone who had their child killed by a step father would be more cognizant of how their physical actions can harm a young child.

I was not aware he testified, I did miss that.. I also share many of you're concerns as well, except on corporate punishment. The extreme lack of discipline shown today has had a poor impact on the nation... Punishment is not to be confused with child abuse....

[Jrob78]

What source did you get those quotes from?

I just did a Google search, not sure what site it came off of.  It's all over the web though and there's more than that.  I just wanted to show that he fully admits to spanking the boy and doesn't feel as though he's done anything wrong.

[flyfisher]

I was not aware he testified, I did miss that.. I also share many of you're concerns as well, except on corporate punishment. The extreme lack of discipline shown today has had a poor impact on the nation... Punishment is not to be confused with child abuse....

Discipline does note equal corporal punishment or at least it doesn't have to.....and this to me, is child abuse no matter what his intentions were.

[Hyrule Bass]

when i was younger i had friends and cousins who had to go cut their own switch, if you didnt get a good one you had to go cut another and the ass whooping was twice as bad. now, i never got whooped with a switch, but i did get the leather belt across my bottom more than a few times. now, maybe perhaps peterson went overboard a little, but parents should have every right to punish their kids, and that includes whoopings.

[A-Jay]

Doesn't matter what I think.

 

The man's actions and the results will be judged according to the current Texas Laws.

 

The Mandatory Reporting Requirements make it unlawful not to report it.

 

A-Jay

 

http://statelaws.findlaw.com/texas-law/texas-child-abuse-laws.html

 

http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/child-abuse-overview.html

[Jolly Green]

I grew up with the belt, the spoon, the shoe, the paddle at school, etc. and I used to spank my kids but I cut it out years ago.  I don't think it's reasonable to plant your flag at either extreme end of the debate; corporal punishment can be both somewhat effective AND somewhat damaging, and frankly I think it has more to do with what the kid takes away from the experience rather than what the parent intends; even in the same family a sound butt-whooping will affect each kid differently.  I believe in a parent's right to discipline his or her kids as they see fit, but regardless of what the law says, I think that if you're leaving bloody welts and feel bad about it, you might want to explore why that is and take the additional steps to reassess your overall disciplinary approach, your decision-making process, and whether there might be better alternatives.  

[deaknh03]

A couple days ago someone said something like "all NFL players are thugs" or something like that, while that's not true at all IMO it is sad that we are seeing more and more good NFL players ruin there careers with criminal activitys every year.

Out of all the sports I watch the NFL has the most people getting arrested, when a bunch of well known NFL players get arrested it makes the NFL look bad and I can see where a statement like "all NFL players are thugs" could come from.

 

When a professional athlete has a lapse in judgement like we are seeing, it certainly doesn't ruin his career, see Plaxico and Vick, among tons of others, they make amends, pay their debt to society and move on. The NFL certainly has enough players getting in trouble but I would not place them at the top, I think they are the most popular sport in America, and get the most scrutiny, but MLB, NHL and certainly NBA have more than their fair share of players committing crimes, and many of them go under the radar. The players getting into trouble in the NFL don't make the NFL look bad, they make themselves look bad, however the manner in which they are punished by the league is what makes the NFL look bad.

[Jar11591]

When a professional athlete has a lapse in judgement like we are seeing, it certainly doesn't ruin his career, see Plaxico and Vick, among tons of others, they make amends, pay their debt to society and move on. The NFL certainly has enough players getting in trouble but I would not place them at the top, I think they are the most popular sport in America, and get the most scrutiny, but MLB, NHL and certainly NBA have more than their fair share of players committing crimes, and many of them go under the radar. The players getting into trouble in the NFL don't make the NFL look bad, they make themselves look bad, however the manner in which they are punished by the league is what makes the NFL look bad.

 

 

Sure all sports have their stars who committ crimes, but the NFL takes the cake by far. Just recently look at Tank Johnson, Michael Vick, Plaxico Burress, Donte Stallworth, Pacman Jones, Ray Lewis, Ray Rice, Aaron Hernandez and there are a lot more. These people aren't just criminals, they are violent criminals. That doesn't make the NFL look bad? Maybe not to you, but this problem is NOWHERE near as prolific in other sports as it is football. In fact, this is a big reason why I have no interest in the NFL anymore. I have no interest in watching guys who arguably should be serving lenghthy prison sentences ( ESPECIALLY STALLWORTH AND RICE) be looked at as stars, let alone role models. All NFL players are not thugs, not by a long shot. But that doesn't mean the thug/upstanding citizen ration isn't higher in football that in other sports. In all professional sports, there is always a policy of tolerance towards star players, regardless of what that level of tolerance may be. I just stick to MLB. Rarely are MLB stars incarcerated. Sure, some may dabble in PEDs now and then, but they don't get arrested for it. I'm hard pressed thinking of an MLB player who has been arrested for violence, other than former 2B Chuck Knoblauch.

[deaknh03]

Sure all sports have their stars who committ crimes, but the NFL takes the cake by far. Just recently look at Tank Johnson, Michael Vick, Plaxico Burress, Donte Stallworth, Pacman Jones, Ray Lewis, Ray Rice, Aaron Hernandez and there are a lot more. These people aren't just criminals, they are violent criminals. That doesn't make the NFL look bad? Maybe not to you, but this problem is NOWHERE near as prolific in other sports as it is football. In fact, this is a big reason why I have no interest in the NFL anymore. I have no interest in watching guys who arguably should be serving lenghthy prison sentences ( ESPECIALLY STALLWORTH AND RICE) be looked at as stars, let alone role models. All NFL players are not thugs, not by a long shot. But that doesn't mean the thug/upstanding citizen ration isn't higher in football that in other sports. In all professional sports, there is always a policy of tolerance towards star players, regardless of what that level of tolerance may be. I just stick to MLB. Rarely are MLB stars incarcerated. Sure, some may dabble in PEDs now and then, but they don't get arrested for it. I'm hard pressed thinking of an MLB player who has been arrested for violence, other than former 2B Chuck Knoblauch.

off the top of my head, urbina murdered someone a couple years ago, brett myers beat the crap out of his wife on the sidewalk in boston, milton bradley beat his wife, mel hall diddled a kid, julio machado murdered someone. These are all relatively newer incidents and by no means represent all of what has occured, but dont fool yourself into thinking football players "take the cake". I only named MLB players, but every sport has plenty of them.

[Catch and Grease]

When a NFL player murders someone, knocks out his fiancé, etc etc that's doesn't make the NFL look bad? Not even a little??

[Jar11591]

off the top of my head, urbina murdered someone a couple years ago, brett myers beat the crap out of his wife on the sidewalk in boston, milton bradley beat his wife, mel hall diddled a kid, julio machado murdered someone. These are all relatively newer incidents and by no means represent all of what has occured, but dont fool yourself into thinking football players "take the cake". I only named MLB players, but every sport has plenty of them.

Like I said all sports have criminals, and these cases you named I was unaware of other than the Urbina case. But NFL players do most certainly "take the cake". Shootings, murder, manslaughter, illegal firearms, none of these things you can argue are a chronic problem for baseball! In football it's sadly almost part of the culture for these players, especially if when it's all said and done, they can go right back to earning their million dollar paycheck. But while other sports obviously have their criminals, violent or not, you cannot say that the NFL isn't the worst afflicted by violent crimes.

[deaknh03]

When a NFL player murders someone, knocks out his fiancé, etc etc that's doesn't make the NFL look bad? Not even a little??

 

Not in the eyes of people with common sense. When they beat the crap out of their wife and get a 2 game suspension, that makes the NFL look bad.

[Catch and Grease]

Not in the eyes of people with common sense. When they beat the crap out of their wife and get a 2 game suspension, that makes the NFL look bad.

Good point.

[South FLA]

NFL vs US (The general population).  Overall they are are better behaved!

 

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/the-rate-of-domestic-violence-arrests-among-nfl-players/

[deaknh03]

Yep, aavery2 that is absolutely true too, when I was in High School corporate punishment was still in use, my father also believed, strongly in it as well, my grandmother, used a switch on me a couple times as a younger teenager, when I was in boot camp ... A Drill Instructer would flat level you if displayed a bad attitude or was a smart ass, Disipline is soo important. This is a fine line, to be sure....

 

I wish corporate punishment was stiffer, too many of these CEOs are getting away with robbing us blind.

[Lund Explorer]

Doesn't matter what I think.

 

The man's actions and the results will be judged according to the current Texas Laws.

 

The Mandatory Reporting Requirements make it unlawful not to report it.

 

A-Jay

 

http://statelaws.findlaw.com/texas-law/texas-child-abuse-laws.html

 

http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/child-abuse-overview.html

 

Lost in the forest, the voice of reason was found by some, appreciated by less.

[Jar11591]

Not in the eyes of people with common sense. When they beat the crap out of their wife and get a 2 game suspension, that makes the NFL look bad.

 

 

 

This is like saying a bad politician doesn't make his party or the government as whole look bad. It does. Of course players' behavior makes the NFL look bad, since they are the ones directly representing the NFL.

[deaknh03]

This is like saying a bad politician doesn't make his party or the government as whole look bad. It does. Of course players' behavior makes the NFL look bad, since they are the ones directly representing the NFL.

I guess we're different then..I cant judge a whole because one part is bad.

[VolFan]

I wish corporate punishment was stiffer, too many of these CEOs are getting away with robbing us blind.

That there's funny.

[VolFan]

I have a four year old, and a wife, and my opinion is that what Peterson did is far and away worse than what Rice did. I am all for a spanking, as I was when I was little. But I wasn't four, and there wasn't a tree branch involved. I was old enough to understand why I was getting spanked.

[RSM789]

Not in the eyes of people with common sense. When they beat the crap out of their wife and get a 2 game suspension, that makes the NFL look bad.

Ray Rice did not beat the crap out of his wife, he hit his wife.  War Machine is an example of someone who beat his significant other.  Both are domestic violence, however there is a huge difference between the two.

 

There is a possibility that with Rice, this was a one time mistake, a horrible decision made in the heat of a physical confrontation to which he should be appropriately punished.  If that is the case, I would not put Rice in the same category as the spouse beater.  The latter can not function in our society & should not be allowed in it

[Dwight Hottle]

Ray Rice did not beat the crap out of his wife, he hit his wife.  War Machine is an example of someone who beat his significant other.  Both are domestic violence, however there is a huge difference between the two.

 

There is a possibility that with Rice, this was a one time mistake, a horrible decision made in the heat of a physical confrontation to which he should be appropriately punished.  If that is the case, I would not put Rice in the same category as the spouse beater.  The latter can not function in our society & should not be allowed in it

 

 

Ray Rice hit her hard enough that he could have killed her. Not to mention her head hitting the railing in the elevator as she was falling. That could have been a manslaugther charge.  A highly conditioned athlete of his size hitting a woman with a closed fist.  Ray is 5' 8" tall and weighs 212lbs. I understand your contention that there are different level of abuse. But because of Rays size & conditioning his abuse is deadly force. Not good.