The Road To The Super Bowl

[flyfisher]

So now "suck" has a formal definition?  interesting.....so does that mean every team that didn't win the Super Bowl last year now sucks? and that there is only one team that doesn't suck every year?

 

And in 1960, the last time the Eagles won a "big game" a nickel only bought you a 1oz hershey bar....

[iabass8]

Your argument with the Eagles is quite sad to say the least. McCoy has been flooded with injuries, first 4 weeks he had turf toe, then he tweaked his knee week 6 or 7. 

Okay kiddo, you really want to go down this road.

 

and? What does that have to do /w anything. He didn't miss anytime. almost all players play through something known or unknown.

The Eagles also have MARK SANCHEZ as there quater back and still win games. There's somrthing needed to be said about that. 

Yeah...it says you can plug and play quite a few sub par QB's (foles/Sanchez) into Chip Kelly's offense and have  decent success. This has been discussed before on here. ..Chip Kelly runs a great offense....not sure what your point is.

 Also the jags have one of the top ranked defensives in the leauge I beleive they are 3rd or fourth in sacks.

You literally should have stopped typing here. Don't even bother trying to call anybody's argument "sad" when you make this senseless, idiotic claim.

The Jaguars are:

25th against RBs

21st against WR's through 13 weeks.

The do have the 3rd most sacks, yes. Great.  

They are 30th in INTS

have a -7 turnover differential.-near dead last 

They are 28th in points allowed per game

 

THEY SOUND SUPER SOLID RIGHT?? 

 

no

 

no idea how you can claim that

 Dallas has actually had a top 15 defense this whole year..

I'm a huge Dallas fan.

 

This couldn't be further from the truth.  Dallas has always had a terrible defense. They have a massive time of possession differential which puts a cloud over it in some cases. They eagles everything they could to contain murray and it showed. Dallas' awful defense shined through. Again, this isn't something new. I and everybody else has said it. Dallas' defense is awful without Sean Lee. If you want a statistical figure through week 13, Dallas is rated #30 right now. 

 Rams are playing well also they have probably the best defense in the leauge.

they are good, yes. Best? No. With a NOW healthy Cam Chancelor, Bryon Maxwell, and Bobby Wagnor, Seattle's Defense the past 2 weeks with these guys making their debuts then is going to be the Seattle D or better than last year. 

 

 

 I wouldn't consider 19-3 a destroying performance. Especially considering that SF's defense is now crippled thanks to injuries

Seriously. Do you even bother TRYING to look up anything?

 

Seattle held both Arizona AND SF (in SF) each to a FG in consecutive weeks. That is a demoralizing defeat against 2 other great defenses MUCH better than the Eagles. 

 

SF D is not the defense of last year. They are still a strong secondary but a good run D - 8th against the Pass/9th against the run

 

At least have some sort of evidence to back whatever you are going to say up and don't misspell every other word like a 5th grader. Spell check FTW.

[iabass8]

So you can tell me that there are 10 RB who are having better seasons or you would rather have on your team than McCoy?  He is 3rd in the league in rushing.

 

And deaknh03, we all know how you feel about the Eagles and the same i feel about the cheatriots.

I guess I should have clarified. My mistake.

 

Fantasy wise, he's number 10.

 

Murray

Lynch

Bell

Forte

Foster

Charles

Forsett

Lacy

Morris

McCoy

 

Std scoring. PPR he would likely be a little lower due to his low volume of receptions but not too much. 

 

 

real NFL. McCoy top 3 in talent no doubt. Only backs I could say I like more are Murray, Charles, Bell/McCoy close /w talent winning /w McCoy. 

 

Last time i looked, Philly was favored by 1 I think on Sunday. Wonder if that sticks till game time. 

[flyfisher]

geez i am talking real life not fantasy **** lol  his numbers are down in fantasy because his TD are down.  He has looked great since the o-line has gotten healthy. I know a lot of people were ticked after they drafted AP and McCo early lol

 

 

 And philly is anywhere from 1-2pts aka an even game really since home teams always get 3 points.  

[iabass8]

geez i am talking real life not fantasy **** lol  his numbers are down in fantasy because his TD are down.  He has looked great since the o-line has gotten healthy. I know a lot of people were ticked after they drafted AP and McCo early lol

 

 

 And philly is anywhere from 1-2pts aka an even game really since home teams always get 3 points.  

HA, ya I know. I just made a quick reference to one of my teams not even thinking. 

 

McCoy has looked like his ADP as of late. 

 

I STAND BY 90 TOTAL YARDS ON SUNDAY! (i may have said 80 I don't remember. 90 feels safer )

 

I wish this forum awarded "gold" or some sort of currency based on posts/likes so we could bet on this useless stuff. 

[flyfisher]

you actually said 70 but hedged to 80 and now 90 lol

 

i don't care what he gets but i have a feeling he gets 100 APY at least.....i wish it was an early game though.

[iabass8]

you actually said 70 but hedged to 80 and now 90 lol

 

i don't care what he gets but i have a feeling he gets 100 APY at least.....i wish it was an early game though.

Man of my word. I STAND BY 80 THEN!

 

I think I said Wilson outrushes McCoy, too. BOOK IT!

 

100 is probably attainable if he gets his workload. 

 

Chip Kelly's game plan will be the most interesting of the week I think. Sherman will undoubtedly get Maclin. I ASSUME Maxwell stays on Matthews in the slot. Since Ku Klux Cooper   can't catch anything I WANT to say Ertz/Celek show? Celek is ehh but Ertz is SOO talent but such a let down. 

[flyfisher]

Ertz hasn't had many targets lately so i am not sure it is a let down as much as they haven't needed the underneath routes to win.  I think this week we see a heavy dose of Ertz/Celek and screens.  Cooper is a bum....lol

 

I honestly feel that the special teams may be the difference maker here.  It could be a big gain on a return or a long filed goal but it will come into play for sure.

[Matthew2000]

You have used stats that are from a fantasy leauge about 12 times now. You have not managed to say the positive stats about the teams you are going against. I do realize that the Eagles have not played any great teams but some of your comparrisons are quite wrong(comparing foles and Sanchez as in the same caliber). You also failed to metinon Eagles passing game. The one who tore apart Dallas's defense. Turf toe makes the runner unable to make quick cuts and jukes which is how mccoy makes plays so yes it does indeed matter quite a bit. Also how many points have the Eagles scored on passing plays ? Your using a lot of different parts of football to make your case better. Do you watch football or just look at stats ? Because if you watch the jags you can see them making QB'S throw the ball away and rush the play. If you watched McCoy you could obviously see he wasn't making any of his cuts or jukes. So yes I would like to go down this road.

[F14A-B]

Hold on fellas, I'm waitin on the popcorn to get done!!

Ok... Next..

[iabass8]

You have used stats that are from a fantasy leauge about 12 times now.

I've used fantasy stats once. 

 

The rest are actual team stats. Seriously, it isn't that hard to find them. I'm sure they will teach you google in 6th grade but until then, 

 

http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stats/

 

make the leap kiddo and catch up. you are jumping into a conversation where you read one points and decided to spout off w/e nonsense. We go back and forth all season. that's the fun of it.  Make the leap.

 

 

You have not managed to say the positive stats about the teams you are going against.

Huh? Who am I going against? I guess the IABASS8's have a week 14 bye?

. I do realize that the Eagles have not played any great teams but some of your comparrisons are quite wrong(comparing foles and Sanchez as in the same caliber). 

Foles and Sanchez are not good. Neither are an answer for the QB pos. in Philly. Again, Chip Kelly runs an amazing offense scheme that can plug and play bad QBs. If you look at both this year, they are pretty spot on for an average of 275-300/2/2.  Arguing Foles is a good QB is a losing proposition. Stop it. 

You also failed to metinon Eagles passing game. The one who tore apart Dallas's defense. 

Uh, no...I didn't. We've talked about Maclin and Matthews in earlier posts and another thread. Both are great receivers.....Make...the...leap already.

Turf toe makes the runner unable to make quick cuts and jukes which is how mccoy makes plays so yes it does indeed matter quite a bit. 

No kidding.....I don't think you follow the fact we are talking about week 14 at Seattle. He wasn't that productive at the beginning of the year. Yeah..he was injuried....and? Regardless..he wasn't as productive as people would have liked. What's your argument here?

 

. Also how many points have the Eagles scored on passing plays ? 

126 (21 receiving TD's x 6) Any more brain busters?

Your using a lot of different parts of football to make your case better. Do you watch football or just look at stats ? 

I'm actually using the most basic simple ranks of a team to give you an idea of how awful your statements are. The site I gave you above will break down every single stat you wish to know. If you aren't able to do it, I will do it for you. I'm sure you will come back with something else from left field anyway.

Because if you watch the jags you can see them making QB'S throw the ball away and rush the play. 

There is not one single shred of evidence you can provide that will back up this moronic claim. I'm not sure if you are a troll or not yet. 

 

So if I watching the jaguars play, I will see them do things that I can see on any other NFL game where 30 other teams are better than them? No kidding. Seriously..what kind of statement was that. "Hey man, did you catch the Jag's game??? They rushed the passer and (insert QB here) had an incompletion!"

 

I'll give you an idea of how "good" they are at rushing the passer.

 pass yards per attempt-24th (7.2)

pass attempts per game-19th (35)

Completions per game -21st (22,8) (64%)

incompletions per game -20th (12.4) 

pass yds per game -24th -(253.8)

tds per game-15-20 is a tie at 1.7

 

You can play the "well those are stats, you don't watch football and I do so I am the all knowing 5th grader". Okay. The Jaguars are 2-10. They suck. Plain and simply.

 

Again, you jumping into an argument under the assumption we have only talked about philly or any team once. Have something to back up your senseless claims and you might be taken serioiusly

[iabass8]

2x post 

[Lund Explorer]

Hold on fellas, I'm waitin on the popcorn to get done!!

Ok... Next..

 

Looks like a great chance to have a side bet on who is the most committed.  Or perhaps should be!

[Matthew2000]

Mark Sanchez 2012 stats - 2012

NYJ

15 games played, 246 completions 453 attempts, 54.3 completion percentage 2,883 yards, 6.36 yards per attempt, 13 touchdowns, 18 INT's, 9 fumbles, 25.8Qbr. Nick foles 2013 stats 203 completions, 317 attempts, 64% completion percentage, 2891 yards, 224 average yards a game, 9.1 yards per attempt, Two 300+ yard games. This is the best one 27 touchdowns with 2 INT's thats 13.5 TD's per 1 INT. That's just horrible right? With only 2 fumbles as well in 13 games. Let that sink in next time you try to compare the two. I guess my fifth grade mind is paying off. Btw that's pretty laughable because 1. I'm in 8th grade, 2 The last time I heard that was fifth grade from the 6th graders. So you have managed to make me lose much respect for you by not being able to come up with anything better than kiddo and fifth grade mind. Didn't mean for it to get personal if but we can if you want to. Just needed to address that. Now let's move on. You asked what teams you were going against? The teams you are giving no credit to their success and wins. Just because a team lost to the jags dosent mean they have dropped out of any playoff conetention. The Browns are 7-5 and they lost to the jags so you point is? I forgot to mention nick foles had 411 yards on Arizona. McCoy is on his way to break his last season stats so yeah. I'm not sure if you watched him last year but he was quite good. And your argument against the jags defense is funny. So I now understand you look at stats and suddenly think you know what you are talking about. Seeing the jags have had 37 sacks this year with 18 fumbles. I agree the jags have a horrible offense but you have to address a very good D-line. And please don't make me stupid by saying a d line is supposed to stop most of the run because the d line most times is to shut the gaps first. Have a good day.

[iabass8]

Mark Sanchez 2012 stats - 2012

NYJ

15 games played, 246 completions 453 attempts, 54.3 completion percentage 2,883 yards, 6.36 yards per attempt, 13 touchdowns, 18 INT's, 9 fumbles, 25.8Qbr. Nick foles 2013 stats 203 completions, 317 attempts, 64% completion percentage, 2891 yards, 224 average yards a game, 9.1 yards per attempt, Two 300+ yard games. This is the best one 27 touchdowns with 2 INT's thats 13.5 TD's per 1 INT. That's just horrible right? With only 2 fumbles as well in 13 games. Let that sink in next time you try to compare the two. I guess my fifth grade mind is paying off. Btw that's pretty laughable because 1. I'm in 8th grade, 2 The last time I heard that was fifth grade from the 6th graders. So you have managed to make me lose much respect for you by not being able to come up with anything better than kiddo and fifth grade mind. Didn't mean for it to get personal if but we can if you want to. Just needed to address that. Now let's move on. You asked what teams you were going against? The teams you are giving no credit to their success and wins. Just because a team lost to the jags dosent mean they have dropped out of any playoff conetention. The Browns are 7-5 and they lost to the jags so you point is? I forgot to mention nick foles had 411 yards on Arizona. McCoy is on his way to break his last season stats so yeah. I'm not sure if you watched him last year but he was quite good. And your argument against the jags defense is funny. So I now understand you look at stats and suddenly think you know what you are talking about. Seeing the jags have had 37 sacks this year with 18 fumbles. I agree the jags have a horrible offense but you have to address a very good D-line. And please don't make me stupid by saying a d line is supposed to stop most of the run because the d line most times is to shut the gaps first. Have a good day.

You're in 8th grade...at least this makes sense now.

You have to be a troll. Theres no way you are actually trying to validtae your moronic argument with stats from 2 years ago

are you seriously basing your argument off stats from 2012 for Sanchez......seriously? Get a clue kid.

Foles had a remarkable 2013...2013. He was not good this year prior to getting hurt. It's a fact an opinion. Again, chip kelly is the one to praise fr phillys success. If you even watch foles play, he's indecisive and just prays on a deep ball and makes TONS of mistakes. Again, you are coming into a conversation to which you don't understand the background to it. We go back-and-forth all year long for fun. You're coming in here with your simple eighth grade mind trying to base an argument off of a reality that doesn't exist.

I still dont get the "teams i am going against". Who am I in this situation? I am not NOT giving th credit for their wins. A win is a win. Glenn and I were stating how easy the Eagles schedule has been. You seriously need to learn to read.

The browns did lose to the jags..and? I didnt bring yhe browns up anywhere... Are you seriously still trying to defend the Jag wires being a good team? Stop it you sound moronic. If you want a shred of credability , give me ANYTHING to back that up. Again , they are a 2-10 team. Gl. Mccoy is not on track to top last seasons stats. My god. The jaguars allow 27 points per game. 27...That is an awful defense. Just stop already.

[Matthew2000]

I'm using 2012 Sanchez stats because that's the last time he played prior to this season. I never said the jags were a good team they have a terrible offense and their secondary is just as bad a I stated that they had a good D-line. You stated the Giants are a bad team because they lost to the jags. So I stated the Browns also lost to the jags but they are tied for second in their division at 7-5. Which means that they have a chance at the playoffs so are they a terrible team? No, I didn't think so. McCoy has 1101 yards if I remember correctly. This means he will need 500 more yards to get to where he was last season. He may or may not achieve that depends on how he plays if we see the normal him he will if we don't he won't. My argument wasn't that foles was some sort of a elite quater back mine was that Sanchez and him should not be put in the same category. It was that simple. So that will be my clue. Sanchez didn't play in 2013 so I used 2012 is that not simple ?

[flyfisher]

Sanchez and Foles are one in the same as far as QB go in my mind.  They both make way too many turnovers, with Sanchez doing it more often but he is more mobile and has a quicker release and is more mobile.  Flip a coin and start either one. 

 

McCoy wasn't injured this year so not sure where you got that from.  The offense line was trashed early on this season and teams were stacking the box against hm but that is fine as it allowed the passing game to make up the difference.  this year's eagles team is getting more YPG overall even though they are getting less on the ground.  McCoy, even when not getting tons of yards is a focal point of a team's defensive scheme.

 

I am obviously an Eagles fan and can agree that they haven't fared well on the road against playoff teams this season, other than Dallas and Indy early in the season.  They could very easily have won against San Fran and AZ but play calling was more their downfall than anything in the red zone.

 

Kelly has a scheme going that produces wins no matter who is under center and i am fine with that for now  

[Matthew2000]

Did you not here about his turf toe ? And Sanchez in my mind dosent fare near as well as foles.

[iabass8]

. I never said the jags were a good team they have a terrible offense and their secondary is just as bad a I stated that they had a good D-line. 

Nobody said you said the Jag's were good.....you said the jags have "top ranked defense". 

 

My god. I understand that you are 13/14 years old but I'm sure (unless you are literally that stubborn or a massive troll-kudos to you if true) but to make any claim about the jags defensive line as "good" is asinine. i understand your argument you are trying to make about their pass rush and how they have the 3rd most sacks in the league. You are really clinging to a thread here but I'll bite. Over 13 weeks, the jags have given up 11 rushing TD's. they give up well over north of 4 YPC and have given up almost 1800 yards of total offense to RB's. I'm sure you can do that math on that being north of 100 YPG in total offense to RB alone. Unless they have a different sort of defensive scheme in JAX, then I'm going to point out that this falls on their defensive line WHICH IS BAD. Stop trying to beat a dead horse because your mom let you watch the first half of game 1 this year where they showed promise. It's been in the toilet since then. How? Again, they are 2-10. Let your Jag's argument go. It's a losing propostion. There is absoultely no proof to them having a good defense.

 

Also the jags have one of the top ranked defensives in the leauge I beleive they are 3rd or fourth in sacks.

They are ranked as one of the worst defenses in the league actually....again...I'm repeating myself to a 13/14 year old that just keeps beating a dead horse. The only plus is they are 3rd in the leagues in sacks. Great. So....instead of giving up 30+ a game they give up 27 points. LET ME REPEAT THAT. THE JAGUARS GIVE UP 27 POINTS PER GAME. I don't care if they get 8 sacks per game. Their defense is NOT GOOD. this isn't an opinion. It's a fact. They are not a good/top ranked/w/e you want to call them defense. There is no way to spin this in your favor. Give up on it already. 

 You stated the Giants are a bad team because they lost to the jags.

Yes, the giants are a bad team. Nobody will argue that.  A bad team lost to another bad team...

So I stated the Browns also lost to the jags but they are tied for second in their division at 7-5. Which means that they have a chance at the playoffs so are they a terrible team? No, I didn't think so. 

The browns aren't that good either, no. So they have a shot at the playoffs...The falcons are currently atop their division at 5-7 and are, as of today, "in the playoffs." record arguments are silly, kid. Especially with 6 teams being 7-5 in the AFC right now.  Do they have a shot? Sure...are they going to make it? Most likely not. Brian Hoyer is half the QB Foles is and Foles is not a good QB.  Look at who they have beat.....CIN is their only "brag" worthy win and even so CIN is a shell of themselves from last year. So to sum it up, no. The Brown's are not a good football team this year. 

McCoy has 1101 yards if I remember correctly. This means he will need 500 more yards to get to where he was last season. He may or may not achieve that depends on how he plays if we see the normal him he will if we don't he won't. 

My god you can at least use Google to look up a stat. 

 

McCoy as of right now as 1129 total Yards (1018 rushing)

2013 stats: 2146 total yards (1607 rushing yards)

Let me do that brain buster math for you again

2146-1129=1017. 

 

To help you understand that difference, he would basically need to do what he has done through 13 weeks in 4 weeks. (average 254 yards per game) Yeah...he's REALLY on pace to break last years total yardage....

 My argument wasn't that foles was some sort of a elite quater back mine was that Sanchez and him should not be put in the same category. It was that simple. So that will be my clue. Sanchez didn't play in 2013 so I used 2012 is that not simple ?

I'm not going to argue a career of 2 not great QB's with somebody that was barely out of diapers when Sanchez was on college. Again, flyfisher has already stated above that neither are great QB's. At all. You can put anybody in Chip Kelly's scheme and they will do the same if not better than both. Sanchez looks better now then he did /w the Jets 2 years ago. This isn't because something finally clicked while he didn't play for an entire year. This is 99% chip kelly. (the only thing he can't do is throw the ball for him....which he probably would if he could). As long as Chip Kelly stays in Philly, they will have a very, very goo offense. 

[iabass8]

Did you not here about his turf toe ? 

Yeah...if you actually bothered to look that up than blow nothing out of proportion you would see it was exactly that..nothing. There were rumors he was hurt, then he said he wasn't hurt, then he said he had turf toe. Chip Kelly said he was fine. He had an MRI done on the toe and it came back negative. The reason for his lack of success was the poor play of their offensive line. They lost (I'm not 100% on the number but flyfisher will be) 3-4 starters are once or close. 

 

 And Sanchez in my mind dosent fare near as well as foles.

they are pretty much a mirror of themselves in 2014.

[flyfisher]

They lost more than 3-4 O line starters actually. There was one point during a game they had zero backups available and would have had to use a TE if there was another OL injury.

 

I do think Shady gets 1400-1500 yards on the ground this season which will end up being a great season, especially considering the injuries up front.  This offense really doesn't care who scores but the bottom line is they do score and score often.

 

And Sanchez has some serious talent around him now, something he never had in NY.  I mean i would bet that the rookie, Matthews is about as good a receiver Sanchez ever had in NY.

[iabass8]

 

 

And Sanchez has some serious talent around him now, something he never had in NY.  I mean i would bet that the rookie, Matthews is about as good a receiver Sanchez ever had in NY.

how dare you talk about santionio holmes like that!

 

totally agree. 

[Darren.]

The times I root against Peyton Manning?

 

When he plays my Bills. GO BILLS!!

[SirSnookalot]

The only statistic that matters is team wins, personal accomplishments don't mean jack.  Barry Sanders ran for 15000 yards in 10 years and never got close to the big show, had he been with a complete team it could have been different for him.

I think we have already seen the SB played, when it's played for real it will be on a neutral field, GB v NE.

[roadwarrior]

The times I root against Peyton Manning?

 

When he plays my Bills. GO BILLS!!

 

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