Interesting Facebook Post From A River Guide....

[gulfcaptain]

Democrats do it all the time...^^^^^

[jeremyryanwebb]

I am in the process of getting my license to run inshore charters for the Outfitters I work for.  Ive been taking mental notes on all the best guides I come in contact with and have had the pleasure of working under two of the top captains in the South Carolina lowcountry.  One consistency I have found in all the best guides is that they are very honest, straight forward and humble people you will meet on or off the water.   This guy will get weeded out by the real guides in his area.

[C0lt]

No matter how much, or how little money is involved, a man is only as good as his word.. 

[SirSnookalot]

Can't compare a large company to a guide service.  A guide can go out just so much, whether it's 250 different customers per year or one customer going out 250 times, the gross dollars are pretty much the same.  250 outings a year sounds like the upside and probably not the norm.  Companies add staff to service increasing clientele and add locations for expanation, not that a guide couldn't do that.

 

First rule of business, never hire anyone smarter than yourself, that's your next competition.

[buzzed bait]

Can't compare a large company to a guide service.  A guide can go out just so much, whether it's 250 different customers per year or one customer going out 250 times, the gross dollars are pretty much the same.  250 outings a year sounds like the upside and probably not the norm.  Companies add staff to service increasing clientele and add locations for expanation, not that a guide couldn't do that.

 

First rule of business, never hire anyone smarter than yourself, that's your next competition.

 

not to derail this much further than it has, but that's perhaps the least intelligent thing a business owner or executive would ever come up with.....  I have roughly 400 people that tree up to me through my organization.  You can bet that everytime i go to hire one i'm only hoping they are smarter than i am.  That's how you eradicate competition is finding, growing and fostering the best talent you can find. 

 

This particular guide will have no worries about hiring anyone, but should be looking for a job himself.  Although, like someone said already, you have to applaud the guy for just coming right out and telling you how ignorant he was up front.  Better now than booking with him and finding out for yourself on the water!!

[Felix77]

Wouldn't book with this guy ...

 

#1 - As mentioned I would hate to book and commit the hours just to get bumped last minute.

#2 - I think being fully booked sounds like BS, especially with the bump post.  How do I know if he is already booked?! ... could be lying just to get more $$ on every request.

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

Reminds me of Seinfeld at the car rental " So you can TAKE a reservation, you just can't KEEP a reservation......How is that a reservation?"

[SirSnookalot]

not to derail this much further than it has, but that's perhaps the least intelligent thing a business owner or executive would ever come up with.....  I have roughly 400 people that tree up to me through my organization.  You can bet that everytime i go to hire one i'm only hoping they are smarter than i am.  That's how you eradicate competition is finding, growing and fostering the best talent you can find. 

 

This particular guide will have no worries about hiring anyone, but should be looking for a job himself.  Although, like someone said already, you have to applaud the guy for just coming right out and telling you how ignorant he was up front.  Better now than booking with him and finding out for yourself on the water!!

Served me well being in business.  Owned a scrap metal co. for 35 years, had a stamping plant, slitting operation, new steel sales and built a 180 unit storage facility.  Teach an employee too much and before you know he's taking your accounts.  Exactly how I got into business, worked for guy and learned the business, 2 years I opened my own company, I didn't take his accounts but I took his education, he taught me too much, lol.

[buzzed bait]

Served me well being in business.  Owned a scrap metal co. for 35 years, had a stamping plant, slitting operation, new steel sales and built a 180 unit storage facility.  Teach an employee too much and before you know he's taking your accounts.  Exactly how I got into business, worked for guy and learned the business, 2 years I opened my own company, I didn't take his accounts but I took his education, he taught me too much, lol.

 

ok, if you say so....  that's business practice is a bit underhanded much like the Facebook poster.... 

your first employer's mistake was not teaching you too much (that's a foolish statement in itself) but rather not having you sign a non-compete agreement

 

anyways, how do i get in touch with this guide??  i have tons of money to throw at him so that i can go first thing tomorrow morning..... 

[flyfisher]

I don't see that as underhanded.  Everyone needs to gain experience yet not everyone has the desire or make up to be a business owner.  Most no compete clauses also come with a big severance when you leave, at least in the businesses i have worked.

[SirSnookalot]

Not underhanded at all, most people that start businesses learned the ins and outs working for another company first, how does one start a business with no prior experience.  Don't recall ever seeing a no compete contract with an employee, with a partner yes.  As I say for my own protection I hired people do only what I wanted them to do, nothing more and I didn't need a Rhodes scholar.

[buzzed bait]

I don't see that as underhanded.  Everyone needs to gain experience yet not everyone has the desire or make up to be a business owner.  Most no compete clauses also come with a big severance when you leave, at least in the businesses i have worked.

 

if you have a business that requires a highly skilled worker, you invest years of training and industry knowledge with that person.  For them to up and leave one day and open up shop to be a competitor with your trade secrets doesn't seem underhanded?  Perhaps not to some, just my opinion that it is.  Having seen this happen to my dad twice in 29 years of Custom Cabinetry I know the emotional toll it takes on a business owner.  Should you ever be in a position to own your own business I am sure you would grasp my concept.

 

As far as the non compete goes.  That is generally between and employer and employee (not partners).  It does not provide compensation in any means to an employee upon resignation nor termination.  It simply protects the employer from having their marketing, trade secrets, client lists, etc. exploited when the employee leaves.  A severance is something completely independent from a non compete clause.

 

Let me just frame it in fishing terms so that I can try to pull this back to the forums....  Say you start out co-angling in a team format with a guy that really takes you in and shows you the ropes.  Shows you his lures, techniques, spots, etc.  You fish together for a number of years, successfully.  Now one day something happens and this co-angler now hooks up with a new boater.  Said co-angler begins to show the boater all your spots, techniques, gears, etc. and that team is now successful.

Seem underhanded now?

[Djf3864]

Bad business practice, and a complete lack of respect for his customers.

That type of business model won't last long as far as I am concerned.

[SPEEDBEAD.]

I know one thing. I'd still show up on my day that I booked. A conversation would take place on that day. How that conversation ended would be entirely related to whether or not the guide took me fishing as agreed and PAID for.

[flyfisher]

if you have a business that requires a highly skilled worker, you invest years of training and industry knowledge with that person.  For them to up and leave one day and open up shop to be a competitor with your trade secrets doesn't seem underhanded?  Perhaps not to some, just my opinion that it is.  Having seen this happen to my dad twice in 29 years of Custom Cabinetry I know the emotional toll it takes on a business owner.  Should you ever be in a position to own your own business I am sure you would grasp my concept.

 

As far as the non compete goes.  That is generally between and employer and employee (not partners).  It does not provide compensation in any means to an employee upon resignation nor termination.  It simply protects the employer from having their marketing, trade secrets, client lists, etc. exploited when the employee leaves.  A severance is something completely independent from a non compete clause.

 

Let me just frame it in fishing terms so that I can try to pull this back to the forums....  Say you start out co-angling in a team format with a guy that really takes you in and shows you the ropes.  Shows you his lures, techniques, spots, etc.  You fish together for a number of years, successfully.  Now one day something happens and this co-angler now hooks up with a new boater.  Said co-angler begins to show the boater all your spots, techniques, gears, etc. and that team is now successful.

Seem underhanded now?

no, still doesn't seem underhanded.    It is part of of owning a business and hiring good people that unfortunately you want the best people and the best people, at times, want their own business.  Did your dad ever apprentice under anyone or learn from anyone else?  I highly doubt he became a custom cabinet maker by reading books.  I know my dad as an electrician for his entire life had many apprentices under him who later started their own businesses and he was as supportive then as he was when they were his employees.  There were others who did not want the headache of owning their own business and those guys become the top guys in his shop. 

 

s far as the co-angler thing goes, i would wonder why they split up as a team in the first place and it isn't like the boater doesn't have that same knowledge still about the same spots.  his competition just got better and hopefully he can overcome and become a better angler.  Does it suck, sure but it is the price of doing business.