Heron Posted September 3, 2014 Posted September 3, 2014 Lets compare notes for a moment. What does the phrase, "switching to a more subtle presentation." mean to you, exactly? For me, it means that I start throwing baits like... - Straight tail worms - Beaver baits - Lifelike Craws (ex. Yum Craw Bugs) - Drop shot - Curly grubs Also, under what conditions are you making the decision to use that "more subtle presentation?" For me, I tend to use it on days with high temps, high sun, still water, no wind. What say you? Quote
Heron Posted September 3, 2014 Author Posted September 3, 2014 But, my results have not been consistent. Quote
HardcoreBassin Posted September 3, 2014 Posted September 3, 2014 Something small/light that won't "KERPLUNK" into the water as it lands. A worm//grub would be my go to if someone say to use a "subtle presentation." -Dale Quote
Super User Raul Posted September 3, 2014 Super User Posted September 3, 2014 Something small/light that won't "KERPLUNK" into the water as it lands. A worm//grub would be my go to if someone say to use a "subtle presentation." -Dale Good description, something that doesn´t KERPLUNK ( I like that ) and many times you are guilty of kerplunking and possibly ruining the spot. There are days that the commotion created by a grain of polen touching the water is enough to send them into hidding just to never be seen again, and there are days they just don´t care. The problem is that you don´t know which day is that. As a matter of principle I try to present my baits in a matter that the commotion they create when the bait lands, if I´m trying to fish a spot I try my cast to be the longest past as possible from the spot. Besides from loud there´s also the speed, slower, more methodical usually is synonimous with more subtle. Less strong also is synonimous with subtle, for example, making a popper PLIP instead of PLOCK !. I think that describes the general idea of a more subtle presentation. Quote
Super User roadwarrior Posted September 3, 2014 Super User Posted September 3, 2014 The Gitzit was designed as a "do nothing" bait. Fling it out, set your rod down, light a smoke and pop a top! Over the years the "tube" has become one of the most productive lures ever invented, the Senko of its day. I suspect for most guys targeting largemouth bass this is something they seldom use. Fishing slow is one thing, fishing "stopped" is something entirely different. 1 Quote
papajoe222 Posted September 3, 2014 Posted September 3, 2014 A more subtle presentation, to me, means one that is geared more to a feeding response rather than a reaction one. Some hard baits offer a more subtle presentation that is still geared toward a reaction strike (kind of line rockin C&W music). Silent cranks, top water baits that don't make a lot of commotion, slow falling jigs, etc. are some examples, but I don't think of them when someone mentions using a subtle presentation. 1 Quote
DTack Posted September 3, 2014 Posted September 3, 2014 Typically just downsizing a bait or something that causes less "commotion"... A bait that is quieter or silent, a topwater that makes less noise or doesn't push as much water, a soft plastic that is smaller or doesn't vibrate as much. I try to take the baby steps at times... for example if I am crushing them on say, a buzzbait... and they kinda stop biting it... I will go to a quieter buzzbait before I go to a senko or a slow moving bait.. Now this is completely different if I am just pre-fishing and trying to find out what they prefer to eat but as far as something "subtle" I don't make as extreme of a change. Quote
Super User Catch and Grease Posted September 3, 2014 Super User Posted September 3, 2014 A more subtle presentation, to me, means one that is geared more to a feeding response rather than a reaction one. Some hard baits offer a more subtle presentation that is still geared toward a reaction strike (kind of line rockin C&W music). Silent cranks, top water baits that don't make a lot of commotion, slow falling jigs, etc. are some examples, but I don't think of them when someone mentions using a subtle presentation. *2, I like this description! Quote
Heron Posted September 3, 2014 Author Posted September 3, 2014 A more subtle presentation, to me, means one that is geared more to a feeding response rather than a reaction one. Some hard baits offer a more subtle presentation that is still geared toward a reaction strike (kind of line rockin C&W music). Silent cranks, top water baits that don't make a lot of commotion, slow falling jigs, etc. are some examples, but I don't think of them when someone mentions using a subtle presentation. Maybe Im thinking too subtle, then Quote
Super User Jar11591 Posted September 3, 2014 Super User Posted September 3, 2014 To me, subtle means smaller, slower and quieter with duller or more natural colors. Quote
Heron Posted September 4, 2014 Author Posted September 4, 2014 So how much does the conditions of the day, play a role in your decision to go subtle? Quote
papajoe222 Posted September 4, 2014 Posted September 4, 2014 I let the fish tell me by how they are reacting or not reacting to the presentations I start with. If I'm getting little, or no love on the power/reaction baits, I'll switch to something like a smaller spinnerbait with blades that allow me to work it slower or a silent crank that can cover the same part of the water column that the one with rattles that I started with. I'll save the finess stuff for when I've eliminated bigger/ faster moving soft plastic presentations. Generally, as you mentioned earlier, those are the days with bright skies, or when the water is calm and clear. I'll still start with the 'non subtle' presentations as most of them are geared toward active fish and although the subtle stuff will catch active fish, they generally don't cover water as quickly and periods of positive fish activity don't last for long periods. For me, it's easier to slow down than speed up. Quote
Global Moderator Bluebasser86 Posted September 4, 2014 Global Moderator Posted September 4, 2014 To me it's a smaller, more compact bait that has little movement. Quote
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