jtesch Posted August 24, 2014 Posted August 24, 2014 I'm thinking about grabbing a Tatula but would like some comparisons to other reels. For example hoe does the Tatula shape up to a Fuego or original Zillion or even a Curado G. I'm talking casting distance, ability to pitch light lures and line management/cast control. Thanks all Quote
Super User rippin-lips Posted August 24, 2014 Super User Posted August 24, 2014 I'm thinking about grabbing a Tatula but would like some comparisons to other reels. For example hoe does the Tatula shape up to a Fuego or original Zillion or even a Curado G. I'm talking casting distance, ability to pitch light lures and line management/cast control. Thanks all Other then it being a larger framed reel there's really no negatives about it. You'd be hard pressed to find a better $100 reel. I have a dozen Daiwa reels and I always seem to go for it. Even over some higher end reels. Comparing it to a zillion I really don't think is fair but it's smooth and casts great. How light are you talking? I can throw a weightless super fluke or senko with my tatula. Quote
Super User Jeff H Posted August 24, 2014 Super User Posted August 24, 2014 I don't pitch with mine so can't add anything in that regard, but they do cast really nice. Â I think they do particularly well in the wind. Â As good as any original Zillion or Fuego, maybe better. Â Performance of my 3 Tatula has been great but I have a real hard time accepting the lack of free floating spool. Â There are 2 things that have bound me to Daiwa, Magforce Z and the free floating spool design. Â Tatula has the Magforce Z but no free floating spool. Â I just bought another Fuego last night and paid too much for it but I'd rather have it than another Tatula at this point. Quote
jtesch Posted August 24, 2014 Author Posted August 24, 2014 I don't pitch with mine so can't add anything in that regard, but they do cast really nice.  I think they do particularly well in the wind.  As good as any original Zillion or Fuego, maybe better. Performance of my 3 Tatula has been great but I have a real hard time accepting the lack of free floating spool.  There are 2 things that have bound me to Daiwa, Magforce Z and the free floating spool design.  Tatula has the Magforce Z but no free floating spool.  I just bought another Fuego last night and paid too much for it but I'd rather have it than another Tatula at this point.[/quote Both my Zillions and my Fuego have the Z 100 spool, Boca bearings and Carbontex drags so it isn't fair to compare them to a Tatula. I'm with you on the mag force Z. I feel like I'd be taking a step back with the Tatula and never really like it but I rally don't want to spend $300-$400 on another reel. Probably gonna hunt down another Fuego or Sol to trick out. At least that way I know I'll be happy Quote
jtesch Posted August 24, 2014 Author Posted August 24, 2014 Other then it being a larger framed reel there's really no negatives about it. You'd be hard pressed to find a better $100 reel. I have a dozen Daiwa reels and I always seem to go for it. Even over some higher end reels. Comparing it to a zillion I really don't think is fair but it's smooth and casts great. How light are you talking? I can throw a weightless super fluke or senko with my tatula. Frame size and weight not an issue, as long as it can pitch in the 1/4 oz + range I'd be ok with it. I have plenty that will go real light. This would be kind of a knock around reel for me Quote
Super User Jeff H Posted August 24, 2014 Super User Posted August 24, 2014 For what they cost, it is worth the experience of having one. Â I am most certain you'd find good use for it somewhere in your starting lineup. Â I use 1 of mine for spinnerbait and the other 2 for cranks. Â I'm sure they would work well for pitching too, I just haven't done it. Â I do not find the sizing to be large at all, actually quite the opposite to me, but I have 2XL hands. Â Don't think you could find a better reel for the price anywhere. Â Get one, you'll like it. Quote
Delaware Valley Tackle Posted August 24, 2014 Posted August 24, 2014 I don't pitch with mine so can't add anything in that regard, but they do cast really nice. Â I think they do particularly well in the wind. Â As good as any original Zillion or Fuego, maybe better. Â Performance of my 3 Tatula has been great but I have a real hard time accepting the lack of free floating spool. Â There are 2 things that have bound me to Daiwa, Magforce Z and the free floating spool design. Â Tatula has the Magforce Z but no free floating spool. Â I just bought another Fuego last night and paid too much for it but I'd rather have it than another Tatula at this point. This doesn't seem to apply to the Tatula necessarily, but Shimano and Quantum have avoided the full floating spool design with no ill effects as far as I can tell. A precision spool and good bearings make casting really efficient. On the opposite side, I've seen some full floating spools with bad bearings or mag brakes that apply constant braking even on the lowest settings. My point is that full floating spool not done well or one piece spool shaft done exceptionally well can swing things in either direction. Quote
Super User rippin-lips Posted August 24, 2014 Super User Posted August 24, 2014 Frame size and weight not an issue, as long as it can pitch in the 1/4 oz + range I'd be ok with it. I have plenty that will go real light. This would be kind of a knock around reel for me I pitch rage craws a good bit with 3/16 and 1/4 weights and 30-50lb braid. I think you'll be fine. The tatula has mag force Z and a dual bearing supported pinion gear which gives it a very smooth feeling. I believe that's their 'air rotation' system. The reel has a very positive feeling when pressing the thumb bar and engaging the reel after a cast. Try it and if you don't like it then put it in the flea market. You won't get stuck with it. Quote
Super User Raul Posted August 24, 2014 Super User Posted August 24, 2014 There must be a good reason why the reel doesn´t have free floating spool: economical reasons for not having it, being a lesser price reel some features dissapear. Quote
Super User Catch and Grease Posted August 24, 2014 Super User Posted August 24, 2014 I love my tatula, its my favorite reel I own and I'm gonna be buying more. It pitches baits great Quote
Super User Jeff H Posted August 24, 2014 Super User Posted August 24, 2014 There must be a good reason why the reel doesn´t have free floating spool: economical reasons for not having it, being a lesser price reel some features dissapear. Agreed.  And those features disappeared with the Lexa and Exceler, which I can understand.  With the MSRP of the Tat and Tat R I would want that free floating spool, especially with the R.  If, as in my case, you desire the free floating spool design you now have to spend $300 for a Zillion to get it.  All the Advantage series reels had it and they were all mid to upper mid offerings, same as Tat and Tat R.  Most won't care, but I do, it's just something I like and prefer and I just wish the Tats had gotten it too.  I suppose the trade comes with the T-wing being there.  You want it ALL, buy the Zillion for 3 bills now. Quote
Super User rippin-lips Posted August 24, 2014 Super User Posted August 24, 2014 Why is it so important of a feature for you Jeff? Just curious. Quote
Super User Jeff H Posted August 24, 2014 Super User Posted August 24, 2014 I don't know, I'm just weird like that about some things I guess. Quote
oufaninks Posted August 24, 2014 Posted August 24, 2014 Looked at a Tatula the other day and notice that if the spool is filled with line, the line will rub on the plate that is located behind the level wind guide. This will cause wear on the line or groves to be cut in this plate as line is retrieved on to the spool. Therefore would never own one. Quote
Super User Jeff H Posted August 24, 2014 Super User Posted August 24, 2014 Mine don't have that problem and I don't think mine are different than any others. Â In fact, I've read of all the so called problems everybody builds into these and I've experienced none of them yet. Â Quote
Smallmouth Hunter Posted August 24, 2014 Posted August 24, 2014 Looked at a Tatula the other day and notice that if the spool is filled with line, the line will rub on the plate that is located behind the level wind guide. This will cause wear on the line or groves to be cut in this plate as line is retrieved on to the spool. Therefore would never own one. lol. what? I have used a tatula for almost a year now with braid/fluoro/mono (currently braid) and this have never happened..Don't smack talk on something you have never used. Quote
bootytrain Posted August 24, 2014 Posted August 24, 2014 There must be a good reason why the reel doesn´t have free floating spool: economical reasons for not having it, being a lesser price reel some features dissapear. The Daiwa rep on TT stated that they used the long shaft spool design to save money but I don't believe it for one second. In my eyes he was taking an indirect jab at Shimano. Lews uses a long shaft spool design as well and they are known to be great casters, possibly outcasting their doyo brethren Abu Garcia according to user reports. Im not sure what the advantage of a short shaft spool design is. Quote
jtesch Posted August 25, 2014 Author Posted August 25, 2014 I assume by short shaft spill your referring to the free floating spool. In theory, with all parts being of equal quality a free floating spool will have a lot less friction during casting resulting in a faster spool and longer casts. As DVT said earlier, a long shaft spool with quality bearings and a decent polish can be the equal or better than a free floating spool with mediocre parts. A free floater with quality bearings that are correctly lubed or run dry if they are ceramic should outperform a long shaft spool because it's only riding on 2 bearings during the cast. Now having said all that, my longest casting reel is a Cronarch with ZPI bearings. Go figure, in fairness all my tuned Daiwas have the Gigas Spools which aren't designed for max distance and I can come close with them so I think a spool change could put them in the lead, but it ain't all about distance Quote
Super User ChrisD46 Posted August 25, 2014 Super User Posted August 25, 2014 In the $100 to $150 range it is Lew's Tournament & Daiwa Tatula for me . Quote
oufaninks Posted August 25, 2014 Posted August 25, 2014 lol. what? I have used a tatula for almost a year now with braid/fluoro/mono (currently braid) and this have never happened.. Don't smack talk on something you have never used. I don't know what 'smack talk' is, and really don't care. But that is the reason I will never own one. Will stay with my, over 20 count, of Revo's , Curado's and Cronarch's.   To each is own. Quote
Super User Jeff H Posted August 25, 2014 Super User Posted August 25, 2014 I don't know what 'smack talk' is, and really don't care.  It is like ***** slappin' with your mouth. Quote
Super User QUAKEnSHAKE Posted August 25, 2014 Super User Posted August 25, 2014 The drag star is the cheapest feeling one Ive ever used always get the feeling its going to snap but it hasnt. Quote
DTack Posted August 25, 2014 Posted August 25, 2014 I'm thinking about grabbing a Tatula but would like some comparisons to other reels. For example hoe does the Tatula shape up to a Fuego or original Zillion or even a Curado G. I'm talking casting distance, ability to pitch light lures and line management/cast control. Thanks all  For the price I think it's a great reel. I just got my 2nd Type R and have a standard Tatula as well, all in the fastest ratios offered. I own a fuego that I can compare to and I really think mine has some things wrong with it because aside from the reel being the most comfortable to hold that I own, it is the worst performing. I guess I will just list what I find to be the strong points of the reel. When I speak about the tatula and the type r they are basically one in the same to me as the differences (to me) can't really be felt. Tatula/Tatula Type R - Best features for me: Extremely strong (won't slip at all locked down) smooth drag, great powerful handle, retrieve is smooth, good caster. Really the only thing I could list as a concern would be making sure it fits in your hand well. For me I palm the reel in a way that the wide front doesn't effect me after long days of fishing. The reel isn't as perfectly comfortable as my Curado or Citica E, but it performs awesome. Long casts are great with the reel and I feel it really shines when making backhand or roll type casts, might be ENTIRELY mental and I admit that but the reel seems to cast with lest effort on these types of casts. The drag is probably my personal favorite part of the rod, which is great because that's about the only place my Curado E were lacking. The reel really excels for what I intended to use it for which is heavier cover or heavier work... stuff like frogs, large buzzbaits, heavy flipping, punching. With that being said it still casts light baits with ease as other members have mentioned. Basically overall, I love the reel and there is a reason I have 3 now. I have limited experience with the Curado G and to me I just wasn't overly impressed. I guess I just expected Curado E or even Citica E performance and I just didn't feel I received that. I don't have too much to say on it as I didn't spend a long amount of time with the reel but I don't think it compares to the Tatula even at the discounted prices now. I have a Fuego which I am not very happy with overall. The drag was extremely weak which could work for some techniques but others it wouldn't get anywhere near cutting it. I even replaced with a carbontex drag and it still has some slip to it. The reel is incredibly comfortable in my hand but overall it is just lacking. It casts great about 5 casts then the brakes will run wild, then the next cast will be back to normal. One day I hope I can get it nice and smooth because I really feel it'd be an awesome reel. The zillion is about the only reel I would say is "better" in some ways than the Tatula... it is a solid reel and slightly more comfortable overall... However the price is an obvious large diference. I hope this has helped a little. If there's anything I'm not clear on please let me know. Hope you enjoy your new purchase whatever it is! 1 Quote
Super User rippin-lips Posted August 25, 2014 Super User Posted August 25, 2014 The drag star is the cheapest feeling one Ive ever used always get the feeling its going to snap but it hasnt. Feels no cheaper than the curado 50 series drag star. I adjust my drag once for the line that's on the reel and then it basically never gets touched again. Quote
Super User QUAKEnSHAKE Posted August 25, 2014 Super User Posted August 25, 2014 Feels cheaper to me than the 50E feels (but why bring up shimano) flip the tat star with finger makes that plastic cheap sound the 50E at least sounds more solid and doesnt feel like it may snap. I adjust mine for different baits cranks get lighter setting, lipless in grass a little more, frogs heavier setting. If set on light-mid setting and hook into a 20+# carp going to have to tighten down while reeling, done that. Quote
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