Super User Master Bait'r Posted August 18, 2014 Super User Posted August 18, 2014 At $350.00 for a DX I have always laughed at but this is always been in my own opinion. You can buy a Megabass XX for $300.00 BUT DOOD! It has the word EXTREME and color changing paint and stuff on it!!! I'm obviously joking but still... We need to keep in mind that this is a perfect case for "different strokes for different folks"... Some may prefer the combination of all factors of a DX over an XX, and vice versa and it's important to understand that everybody is different. I'd venture to say that $350 is a ton to spend but I've done it, and anybody who spends that much deserves to demand the perfect rod- if whatever rod you bought didn't jive perfectly with your needs/wants, you're going to have a low opinion of that rod since you spent so much money on it and had such high expectations. Now, it's worth noting that I got an NRX 852c for that $350 and at that price I think it was worth it- but full retail? Nope. Not even close. $550+ is crazy talk to me and I just don't see it- but that's not to say someone else thinks its totally worth it and that's totally cool with me! It's probably a really good thing that there are so many different options since we're all different. I just wish people didn't act like their way was the only way, and that their expertise should be valued above all others when considering a rod. It's very important to remember that our opinions are just that- opinions, and while it's important and valuable it's not exactly a universal fact. While having fished and felt a rod and relating your experience and impressions is invaluable to determining where exactly a rod's strengths and faults lie, it's also important to not take it too personally when a rod isn't your unicorn fully realized. It's bound to happen. 1 Quote
DTack Posted August 18, 2014 Posted August 18, 2014 I agree with SenkoGuru on the price of the Dobyns rods, but it isn't because they aren't good. The reason is because they are commanding a price in the same ball park as G.Loomis and St. Croix, and those rods are made here in America with mostly Fuji Components. Dobyns rods are made over seas with Fuji Reel seats but Kigan guides, they aren't bad but they aren't as costly as Fuji, I have no trouble with this as I also like Pac Bay but the problem is price. Being that the rods are made overseas and use less costly components you would thing the rods would be moderately priced but they aren't, they are very expensive for a rod made overseas and not in Japan. Labor cost in Korea aren't as cheap as China but it is still less than here or Japan and that alone should make the rods more affordable, they are good rods or they wouldn't have the following but from the rods I've used in the series and their respective prive point, I'd have to say that they are a tad bit higher than what they should be but if they work for at that price point then fine. I'll state it one more time, this is my opinion and it has nothing to do with rod quality, the Dobyns series of rods is well made, I just feel that the components along with overseas production would make for a little less expense, I think the Loomis GL2 isn't close to what you get and I would say the Saavy is a better rod but I understand that some of the price is due to the labor cost. I don't dislike the Dobyns rods, I've only used the Champion and the Saavy rods and at the price point I can honestly say they aren't for me but it isn't just price, it is feel and they don't feel good to me as I prefer a lighter rod and I'm in the minority in that I don't care for the ECS reel seat that is used on their rods. See, here is a post which MAKES SENSE as to why this person feels the rods aren't worth the price asked. I don't agree with what is stated and that is just fine. I won't bother to reply to what is stated here as it's not important! He gives specific reasons why he didn't like the rod! Do I agree with some of the opinions? No way! But they are stated in a way that can be respected! Once again, don't agree with some of the facts but, great post! 1 Quote
DTack Posted August 18, 2014 Posted August 18, 2014 I know that you know the prices of them, but have you ever fished them? I agree, the Savvy isn't worth much. I would put the Champ more in the $200 price range, not amazing sensitivity but good, and immaculate build quality. The DX is well worth the money and is extremely sensitive, as stated in my earlier post. You say you would price it at $200? It blows everything in that price range out of the water no question. Sure has, fished a dx745 for about 30 minutes befor having to put it down. The Duckett feels and fishes much better. Quote from: SenkoGuru on March 09, 2014, 11:14:45 PM I'm upset with duckett over the treatment of Valley Sports but Duckett is a MUCH better rod than the Dobyn's are imo. I fished with a Dobin's DX 745 for about 30 minutes before I had to put it down and pick my Duckett 7'3' Heavy White Ice back up. To me the Duckett just feels and fishes much better. To each his own I guess. Quote
JGBassinAL Posted August 18, 2014 Posted August 18, 2014 Sure has, fished a dx745 for about 30 minutes befor having to put it down. The Duckett feels and fishes much better. Quote from: SenkoGuru on March 09, 2014, 11:14:45 PM I'm upset with duckett over the treatment of Valley Sports but Duckett is a MUCH better rod than the Dobyn's are imo. I fished with a Dobin's DX 745 for about 30 minutes before I had to put it down and pick my Duckett 7'3' Heavy White Ice back up. To me the Duckett just feels and fishes much better. To each his own I guess. I said I was gonna let it go, but I have one more post, and in no way questioning anyone. Thank you for letting me know that he has used it, as I was not going to dig through posts to see if he had. It's funny because I used to own A LOT of Ducketts, and the 7'3" heavy White Ice was my favorite one, until the reel seat stripped, and guides started popping off on hooksets. I don't baby my equipment, but I'm not hard on it either. I also had two other White Ice rods and a handful of Micro Magics, and I got two Micro Magics straight from Duckett with misaligned guides. One guide was on the side of the rod compared to others. Also, I had the 7'11" White Ice swimbait rod that snapped right above the reel seat when casting a light Alabama Rig, that is just unacceptable...Anyways, I used a DX 745 after the White Ice and that is why I let them go. Quality control and feel. I prefer the actions of Dobyns rods better, and I find the sensitivity of the Champion to be better than the White Ice, not just the DX. But, I understand that SenkoGuru likes the Ducketts better and that's fine with me. It doesn't make me one difference. I had no way of knowing that he had fished a DX, as all he said was that he had used a Dobyns. I think what bothers me is that the OP asked about the Savvy, then there comes the people talking about all the Dobyns lines for no reason. It wasn't even part of the OP's original post. No need to bash a rod when it wasn't even mentioned. But since you brought up Duckett, I thought I would give my opinion on it. Like I said, if you like Duckett better SenkoGuru, then by all means use it. Whatever feels the best in anyones hand is what they should use. I agree with what you said earlier, these are all opinions and different strokes for different folks. I just don't see a need in talking down the DX when that isn't the model the OP was asking about. It seems to happen on every thread mentioning Dobyns these days. 1 Quote
Super User iabass8 Posted August 18, 2014 Super User Posted August 18, 2014 LoL, I would say that fits the Dobyn's Fan boys pretty good. I've fish many more Dobyn's since then, spent a few days on the lake with them, I stand by what I said but I'm use to this dobyns bunch trying to twist it and grind it into the ground. That is what they do. *That moment somebody doesn't realize the posts were about him...* 3 Quote
Super User iabass8 Posted August 18, 2014 Super User Posted August 18, 2014 Oh I know what you Dobyn's bunch do very well, I'm just sick of it. This is a bass forum where people ask others what they think or feel about fishing equipment. It is not 3rd grade where we have to have a shouting match on who is tough and my daddy can beat up your daddy, Jesus, enough is enough. You act like you have to have the last word in everything and your opinion is always right and any one who doesn't agree is wrong. Well, sorry to tell you bubby, it doesn't work that way. If you wanted to end this so called argument then you would just quit, you would stop taking cheap shots and let it go but do you think when you post trying to get under my skin that I will not post back, you're crazy. Just drop it. I'm not now or have I ever started this bull crap, I post my opinion and here you guys come out of the wood work. Hey I know maybe this will work, you win, you're the champion, you really got me with this one, I'm hurt. Ok, can you drop this childish behavior now? Just let it go, d**n. So let me get this straight..... That post was directed at (you said "you" so i'm assuming it was directed at somebody specifically..) either Hootie or myself (still not quite clear since you quoted both of our posts..) in which NEITHER of us have said a word in this thread (or even argued with you...) defending our stance on rods with you..? Ok...that makes total sense. 2 Quote
DTack Posted August 18, 2014 Posted August 18, 2014 Thanks guys. I will have to do some more research. Looking at the Omens and Powell rods too. I have not handled an *** rod so I won't comment on that, I believe there has been a lot of context about those rods here. When it comes to Powell/Dobyns Savvy I will take the Savvy every time. There are a lot of people who will disagree there and that is fine. I am obviously a fan of Dobyns. I still fished Powell when the generation 1 series of Dobyns came out. They were not priced as strong as the Powell (at the time), although slightly better overall including balance, build quality and materials that for me did not justify the price difference. (Reason I understand people's concerns with price difference). Once the generation 2 Dobyns came out THEN I was fully convinced that the price difference was worth it. The generation 2 Dobyns blew away the generation 1 and even the Generation 1 extreme rods in every aspect. At this point Powell was no longer a rod I would consider putting against a Dobyns. When the Savvy series came out I was truly curious how it was going to compare to the Powell Max line. With a fresh memory in my head and plenty of Powell models to be able to compare the rods to (since I sold all of mine to my buddies) I grabbed a couple of savvys and took a couple different buddies out (on different occasions). We fished the rods basically side by side and kind of traded back and forth. I was happy with the overall results of the savvy and my friends were a bit upset about the fact that they were too haha. These results come from fishing the rods feeling multiple baits, hooking fish on the rods and putting fish in the boat. They are not results from things like casting, feeling it in a store, putting the tip on the ground then putting a cell phone on the ground on vibrate to "measure sensitivity". My favorite rods in the savvy lineup are the 734c, 735c, and 766c. The actions on these rods are a bit different than say a Powell Max. The Dobyns feel just slightly slower overall. I think this is where some of the "sensitivity" issues come from. From what I have experienced most people will feel a stiffer rod or a faster tipped rod and it will feel more sensitive to them. We all want different things from rods I believe and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Casting is a popular concern with rods... For me, this is what I rank last. A rod with a nice soft tip can be a compromise I don't want to make depending on the technique. I am more concerned about a rod putting a fish into the boat as that is what I fish for. I don't fish to cast, I fish to put fish into the boat and that is all there is to it. For what you have let us know you're wanting to fish I would recommend a 734 savvy, it won't be as perfect for cranks but if you upgrade to heavy hooks on the cranks (like the KVD short shanks from Mustad) I truly think you'd be find throwing cranks on it as long as you're not using braid as well. If there are more specific questions that you have, feel free to please ask. I hope you enjoy fishing whichever rod you choose! As many have recommended check with Ron at Valley Sports as he does a great job providing fantastic prices and service for the board members and he deserves the consideration for your business! 1 Quote
Super User webertime Posted August 18, 2014 Super User Posted August 18, 2014 Oh now DTack has to go and get reasonable and well thought out... 3 Quote
DTack Posted August 18, 2014 Posted August 18, 2014 Oh now DTack has to go and get reasonable and well thought out... Hahaha, not %100 sure this was a joke but I'm taking it as one! 2 Quote
Super User Master Bait'r Posted August 18, 2014 Super User Posted August 18, 2014 You act like you have to have the last word in everything and your opinion is always right and any one who doesn't agree is wrong. Well, sorry to tell you bubby, it doesn't work that way. If you wanted to end this so called argument then you would just quit, you would stop taking cheap shots and let it go but do you think when you post trying to get under my skin that I will not post back, you're crazy. Just drop it. I'm not now or have I ever started this bull crap, I post my opinion and here you guys come out of the wood work. Oh come on. Your post was so heavily baited, a largemouth just took a swipe at my monitor. 1 Quote
speed craw Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 If someone said their dad was chuck norris , does he win by submission? Quote
SenkoGuru Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 If someone said their dad was chuck norris , does he win by submission? No chuck doesn't know BJJ, they would win by a karate chop. Quote
speed craw Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 Dont forget mr T , he doesn't take no jibba jabba ! Quote
Grantman83 Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 No chuck doesn't know BJJ, they would win by a karate chop. Off topic but chuck actually is an avid bjj practitioner and is at least a brown belt lol 2 Quote
Super User tomustang Posted August 19, 2014 Super User Posted August 19, 2014 So a white ice fishes better than a dx now? 1 Quote
Super User MCS Posted August 19, 2014 Super User Posted August 19, 2014 Off topic but chuck actually is an avid bjj practitioner and is at least a brown belt lol The truth and MOST unbiased post in this thread Quote
Grantman83 Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 The truth and MOST unbiased post in this thread Ha! I stayed out of the savvy topic but being that I've done Bjj for 12 years I HAD to chime in on this topic lol 2 Quote
Super User MCS Posted August 19, 2014 Super User Posted August 19, 2014 Ha! I stayed out of the savvy topic but being that I've done Bjj for 12 years I HAD to chime in on this topic lol My 7 yr old is going on 2yrs of BJJ and yesterday was my 4 yr olds first class. He was dying to roll, like "oooh pick me pick me" lol 1 Quote
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