Super User A-Jay Posted August 10, 2014 Super User Posted August 10, 2014 I am not a racing fan and know very little about the sport. But I'm going to say that it doesn't matter here. The man was out of his car on the track. Another car went by him without incident. The next car hit and killed him. He was alive now he's not, because the driver of the second vehicle (a professional driver mind you) made a split second decision that I'm sure he now regrets. A-Jay 1
Super User Catch and Grease Posted August 10, 2014 Super User Posted August 10, 2014 Well guilty as charged! Off with his head! Atleast that's how quick some of y'all are jumping to conclusions. There is so much we don't know.
Super User deaknh03 Posted August 10, 2014 Super User Posted August 10, 2014 Tony admitted goosing the throttle in displeasure as he approached him..his admitted action caused an accidental death. thats called manslaughter. 1
Super User J Francho Posted August 10, 2014 Super User Posted August 10, 2014 No charges will be filed. 1
Super User Catch and Grease Posted August 10, 2014 Super User Posted August 10, 2014 The NASCAR track isn't a normal street and doesn't follow the same laws, a dude running in front of vehicles doesn't have the right of way when they are flying by at high speeds. Even if tony goosed the throttle leading to his back tire slipping and hitting him, the dude should not have been out of his car. period.
Super User Catch and Grease Posted August 10, 2014 Super User Posted August 10, 2014 Not saying you should just go run people over on the track but it diffently would have been avoided if Kevin would have stayed in his vehicle.
Super User F14A-B Posted August 10, 2014 Super User Posted August 10, 2014 It's a sad, sad, event at any rate. 1
GLADES Posted August 10, 2014 Posted August 10, 2014 IMHO, Stewart did nothing criminal. This behavior is very common in racing. Wards actions and Stewarts actions combined to kill Ward. I think their was some malice in the heat of the moment (he wanted to roost him with mud), but I truly believe that Stewart never intended to hit him, or kill him. Only Stewart knows exactly what he wa thinking. It was a miscalculation on both sides. He is facing a huge lawsuit and it looks like his career is probably over. The fortune he accumulated over his career will be going to his lawyers and the family of Ward. What a tradgegy for all involved. The dirt car series also has some culpability in this accident as well. When a driver is out of his car for whatever reason, red lights should come on to stop the race IMHO.
Super User Catch and Grease Posted August 10, 2014 Super User Posted August 10, 2014 I seriously, seriously, doubt his career is over. He will be racing again before long.
Super User K_Mac Posted August 10, 2014 Super User Posted August 10, 2014 I am not a racing fan and know very little about the sport. But I'm going to say that it doesn't matter here. The man was out of his car on the track. Another car went by him without incident. The next car hit and killed him. He was alive now he's not, because the driver of the second vehicle (a professional driver mind you) made a split second decision that I'm sure he now regrets. A-Jay I completely agree with you A-Jay. Those are simply the facts. Others can judge whether Stewart's actions warrant charges or sanctions, but no one can argue that he has no responsibility for what happened here.
ThatZX14Fella Posted August 10, 2014 Posted August 10, 2014 The NASCAR track isn't a normal street and doesn't follow the same laws, a dude running in front of vehicles doesn't have the right of way when they are flying by at high speeds. Even if tony goosed the throttle leading to his back tire slipping and hitting him, the dude should not have been out of his car. period. You're so quick to defend Tony. Yes, the guy got out of his car when he shouldn't have, but at the same time you are trying to defend a driver that gets out of his car to yell at people and throw his helmet at them more than any other driver in the sport. It seems to me if it would've been Tony that got killed you would be saying it was the competitors fault for hitting the throttle. Don't make up excuses for someone when you know they shouldn't have done what they done.
Super User Catch and Grease Posted August 10, 2014 Super User Posted August 10, 2014 You're so quick to defend Tony. Yes, the guy got out of his car when he shouldn't have, but at the same time you are trying to defend a driver that gets out of his car to yell at people and throw his helmet at them more than any other driver in the sport. It seems to me if it would've been Tony that got killed you would be saying it was the competitors fault for hitting the throttle. Don't make up excuses for someone when you know they shouldn't have done what they done. I'm not trying to sound angry but I would handle this situation the same if it was any 2 NASCAR drivers in the sport. Don't put words in my mouth, I don't care for tony Stewart much anyways. I'm quick to defend tony? Your quick to accuse someone of life changing charges after quickly watching a 2 minute video and reading an article. If I ever end up in court for whatever reason I hope people like you aren't on the jury. Its very offense to put words like that in peoples mouth, this is a tragic incident and to say that I don't care about Kevin and that if it was tony I would is just flat out RUDE.
ThatZX14Fella Posted August 10, 2014 Posted August 10, 2014 I'm not trying to sound angry but I would handle this situation the same if it was any 2 NASCAR drivers in the sport. Don't put words in my mouth, I don't care for tony Stewart much anyways. I'm quick to defend tony? Your quick to accuse someone of life changing charges after quickly watching a 2 minute video and reading an article. If I ever end up in court for whatever reason I hope people like you aren't on the jury. Its very offense to put words like that in peoples mouth, this is a tragic incident and to say that I don't care about Kevin and that if it was tony I would is just flat out RUDE. Then explain why you aren't saying anything about when Tony walks out on the track, which is very often. This guy walks out on the track and gets hit and you're trying to lay all the blame on him when it was partly Tony's fault too. Tony walks out on the track constantly yet you're trying to defend him when he hits someone else who walked out on the track. Oh, and by the way, I do like Tony Stewart, I just don't like people defending someone who was in the wrong. That's like if someone stabs a girl in an alley and the girl gets blamed for walking into the alley. Get where I'm coming from now?
Super User Lund Explorer Posted August 10, 2014 Super User Posted August 10, 2014 Sad. We have a member here (00Mod) who has real life track experience, who takes the time to make a very detailed explanation, and the result is a bunch of petty sniping. Makes me think that the next time someone asks a question about accounting or income taxes, the best course of action would be to look for the answer from Raider's Chinese cook! Great Post Jeff - It wasn't a complete waste of time because I was hoping from the start that you'd chime in. Edit - I should also mention that Sam sent me a PM mentioning the change of the thread's title. I think it is important for Sam and everyone else to know that I didn't have an issue with Sam. The title was based on exactly what the linked story used. No Harm - No Foul 1
Super User Catch and Grease Posted August 10, 2014 Super User Posted August 10, 2014 Then explain why you aren't saying anything about when Tony walks out on the track, which is very often. This guy walks out on the track and gets hit and you're trying to lay all the blame on him when it was partly Tony's fault too. Tony walks out on the track constantly yet you're trying to defend him when he hits someone else who walked out on the track. Oh, and by the way, I do like Tony Stewart, I just don't like people defending someone who was in the wrong. That's like if someone stabs a girl in an alley and the girl gets blamed for walking into the alley. Get where I'm coming from now? What are you getting at? Sure tony can be a cry baby drama queen and runs around the track sometimes too? Does that have ANYTHING to do with the situation? Does that make it not okay that he hit someone on the track? Because he walks around the track sometimes too?? And that's different. Like seriously if a guy jumps in front of your car is it your fault you hit him? Come on man be real. Watch the video a few more times and you can see the guy obviously walks up to Tony's car as if he was gonna climb threw the window.
ThatZX14Fella Posted August 10, 2014 Posted August 10, 2014 What are you getting at? Sure tony can be a cry baby drama queen and runs around the track sometimes too? Does that have ANYTHING to so with the situation? Does that make it not okay that he hit someone on the track? Because he walks around the track sometimes too?? The fact that he does it constantly and you're trying to defend him by saying the other guy was purely the one to blame is what I'm getting at. Obviously you have forgotten that Tony Stewart hit the throttle. He admitted to it. He could've went around, but instead he hit the throttle and the rear end got the guy. It's both of their faults. If you don't believe so then you don't even need to be in this topic.
Super User Catch and Grease Posted August 10, 2014 Super User Posted August 10, 2014 Should he be charged with murder, no because he had no intention of killing Kevin. Should he be charged with manslaughter because of the accident, no because Kevin is just as much at fault as tony. And again don't put words in my mouth I never said Kevin was 100% at fault, please quote me on that if I'm lying. And yes I have seen the interview of tony admiting to goosing the throttle, doesn't change my opinion.
ThatZX14Fella Posted August 10, 2014 Posted August 10, 2014 The NASCAR track isn't a normal street and doesn't follow the same laws, a dude running in front of vehicles doesn't have the right of way when they are flying by at high speeds. Even if tony goosed the throttle leading to his back tire slipping and hitting him, the dude should not have been out of his car. period. There's where you basically put all of the blame on the competitor. Yes, he should be charged for manslaughter. He should've known how the car would react. It may have been unintentional, but he intentionally hit the throttle.
Super User Catch and Grease Posted August 10, 2014 Super User Posted August 10, 2014 And kevin intentionally got out of his car to confront tony. Using words like "basically" in an argument makes it very weak by the way. Goodnight Irene
ThatZX14Fella Posted August 10, 2014 Posted August 10, 2014 You have no comeback to that besides talking about a weak statement which tells me that you know I have more valid points than you. 1
Super User K_Mac Posted August 10, 2014 Super User Posted August 10, 2014 I think we are close to Irene making an appearance. Just for the record, the definition of involuntary manslaughter is when someone dies as a result of a defendant's non-felonious illegal act or as a consequence of the defendant's irresponsibility or recklessness.
Super User A-Jay Posted August 10, 2014 Super User Posted August 10, 2014 I completely agree with you A-Jay. Those are simply the facts. Others can judge whether Stewart's actions warrant charges or sanctions, but no one can argue that he has no responsibility for what happened here. I believe my initial post may not have been presented the way I intended thus it was mis-interpreted. Let me put it this way - The fact that Mr Stuward, realizing there was a man on the race track in front of his vehicle - chose (and admitted) to Accelerating his vehicle, will not help him here. The way I see this - The driver Killed him - that's it. Plain and simple. I don't know what his intentions were, only he knows - but at that split second - his race car became a weapon. If it were up to me - the man would do time. A-Jay 1
Super User flyfisher Posted August 10, 2014 Super User Posted August 10, 2014 No charges will be filed as intent would have to be present and when yo hare racing there is an inherent risk involved. If someone bumps somebody to spin them out and they have an accident are charges filed if they are injured or die? What about in boxing when someone is killed in the ring or on the football field? it comes with the territory. I have nowhere near the experience or knowledge as 00 does but in my limited experience being around dirt track racing with a buddy who's dad did it he would always tell me that the steering wheel is almost optional as the throttle does as much steering as anything so a rev of the engine on the video doesn't mean he was trying to hit the guy or do we even know for sure it was his car that we heard? Bottom line is it doesn't matter. Two people made decisions that resulted in one person dying which is sad to say the least. 4
Nuffsaid23 Posted August 10, 2014 Posted August 10, 2014 My opinion is tony never meant to hit the guy. The guy made a mistake in trying to confront him in the middle of the race. I do think Tony's emotions got the best of him(like they do very often) and he knew he was getting close to him but it was just to ruffle his feathers with absolutely no intention of hitting him. I don't think he realized how close he got until he ended up hitting him. Both sides had very poor judgement which wound up in the unfortunate fatality that shouldn't have happened. 1
Super User Catch and Grease Posted August 10, 2014 Super User Posted August 10, 2014 I want to add one more thing, NASCAR is a sport you need absolute 100% concentration to be successful in. This is one spot tony Stewart, and many other drivers could improve, tony Stewart lets his emotions get the best of him way to often.
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