Rod Power (Weight) Vs Material Used In Terms Of Sensitivity?

[Maxximus Redneckus]

Your right.If you put both on a wall hanging the st Croix is pretty and attracts.But on the water both are tools

[Anohaakten]

Hey fishballer,

You cant really compare the two. Ultimately I was trying to discover how detrimental the thickness (power) of a rod is to the sensitivity, so I ended up throwing a high end rod out there and a low end rod.

Thanks for the responses guys!

[Anohaakten]

Ended up getting a Shimano Crucial 6'8 Medium XF for $80, just to update you guys. Thanks for all the input, really helped!

[Anohaakten]

Sorry, forgot to add why I chose it. It was within my budget and I was debating between the crucial and a veritas. I figured a lifetime warranty was well worth the extra $40 alone. I also obtained greater materials with this rod so hopefully it will lead to better sensitivity.

However, I am thinking about picking up a veritas as my tube bait/jig rod and keep my crucial as my senko rod.

The veritas is on sale for $40 and I can get either a 7' medium or medium heavy. I am trying to decide which to choose...

Then again, would I be better off just buying another crucial for $40 more to use as my tube bait/jig rod?

Tough decisions...

[ThatZX14Fella]

Sorry, forgot to add why I chose it. It was within my budget and I was debating between the crucial and a veritas. I figured a lifetime warranty was well worth the extra $40 alone. I also obtained greater materials with this rod so hopefully it will lead to better sensitivity.

However, I am thinking about picking up a veritas as my tube bait/jig rod and keep my crucial as my senko rod.

The veritas is on sale for $40 and I can get either a 7' medium or medium heavy. I am trying to decide which to choose...

Then again, would I be better off just buying another crucial for $40 more to use as my tube bait/jig rod?

Tough decisions...

 

That depends on how much you are going to be using the rod. If you won't be using it and relying on it too much, get the Veritas. If it's going to be one of your main setups that you plan to use every time you go out, get the Crucial. Just my opinion, but I have a $180 for my main setup, and I think under $100 for my backup.

[gramps50]

When I fished on the bottom or with a bobber I liked the Ugly Sticks, didn't worry about how sensitive they were & I can't really say I knew the term when fishing. When I started fishing for Bass I fast discovered that the US was like fishing with a broom stick. I still have mine just in case, but never use them anymore. 

[Anohaakten]

Thanks for your input.

[Fishydishy]

On 8/4/2014 at 9:29 PM, Jrob78 said:

All things being equal, rod power doesn't effect sensitivity.  Buy the best rod you can afford in whatever power you need.  An Ugly Stik isn't going to be as sensitive as a Veritas, in any power.

I am not sure if I understand your statement correctly, but I have to disagree because my medium power 6’8 bass x is more sensitive with 1/8 oz Texas rig than my medium heavy 6’10 Tatula. I can simply feel more with the bass x .

 

Also it is believed that the Tatula has a better blank and better guides than the bass X.

So I think power does play a role in sensitivity.

[Jrob78]

15 hours ago, Fishydishy said:

I am not sure if I understand your statement correctly, but I have to disagree because my medium power 6’8 bass x is more sensitive with 1/8 oz Texas rig than my medium heavy 6’10 Tatula. I can simply feel more with the bass x .

 

Also it is believed that the Tatula has a better blank and better guides than the bass X.

So I think power does play a role in sensitivity.

Dang, you dug deep for this one. The key words  in my statement are "all things being equal." An 1/8oz t-rig on a med power isn't equal to an 1/8oz t-rig on a mh power, plus they are 2 completely different rods. The Tatula having a better blank and better guides also negates the all things being equal part. 

 

My statement is more regarding 2 rods of the same make and model, a med power shouldn't be more or less sensitive than a H power, with appropriate lure weights for each power. In your example, an 1/8oz is too light for a mh or h power, which will negatively effect sensitivity.  But you're comparing 2 completely different rods so all bets are off.

[Bankc]

Power and sensitivity aren't directly related.  And power doesn't really matter a whole lot for the size of fish you plan to catch (I mean it does, but any bass rod should be able to land any largemouth bass).  What the rod's power really tells you is what kind of lures you can use with it, and where you can throw those lures.  A heavier power rod can throw heavier lures and can help you set the hook on lures with larger hooks.  Large hooks require more force and thin rods might flex too much to get a good hookset.  They can also help you coax bass out of grass and stuff that might put a strain on a thinner rod.  Thinner rods can cast lighter lures a lot further, but can buckle and break with heavier lures.  They also won't let you horse a fish out of the muck nearly as easily.  But they will flex more which can help to keep lures with small treble hooks pinned to the fish's mouth, so they don't get off while you're trying to reel them in.  

 

Of course, there's also a rod's action to consider, and that's how far down it will bend.  That will also effect how it performs.  

[huZZah]

2 hours ago, Jrob78 said:

2 rods of the same make and model, a med power shouldn't be more or less sensitive than a H power, with appropriate lure weights for each power.

I have a spinning and casting Daiwa braid x in Medium/fast. The spinning feels much “softer” than the casting. The casting feels more similar to my Mh braid x casting rod. Not precisely the same rod, and not high end, but I would think close enough for comparison.  But they feel pretty different to me. 

[softwateronly]

2 hours ago, Jrob78 said:

Dang, you dug deep for this one. The key words  in my statement are "all things being equal." An 1/8oz t-rig on a med power isn't equal to an 1/8oz t-rig on a mh power, plus they are 2 completely different rods. The Tatula having a better blank and better guides also negates the all things being equal part. 

 

My statement is more regarding 2 rods of the same make and model, a med power shouldn't be more or less sensitive than a H power, with appropriate lure weights for each power. In your example, an 1/8oz is too light for a mh or h power, which will negatively effect sensitivity.  But you're comparing 2 completely different rods so all bets are off.

I'm totally with Jrob78 on this and everyone disagreeing is still not comparing apples to apples.  Hell, some rods behave completely different with type of line and/or lure weights.  All other variables have to be eliminated for any of this power effecting sensitivity talk to be true and when that's done I don't think you'll find anything...

 

 

scott

[Jrob78]

On 4/13/2021 at 4:50 PM, huZZah said:

I have a spinning and casting Daiwa braid x in Medium/fast. The spinning feels much “softer” than the casting. The casting feels more similar to my Mh braid x casting rod. Not precisely the same rod, and not high end, but I would think close enough for comparison.  But they feel pretty different to me. 

The spinning rod is much "softer" or less powerful than the casting rod. Spinning rods are built on lighter blanks than the corresponding power casting rod as they're used for lighter weights and finesse applications. So they are going to feel different. If they are built with the same blank material and guides, they should be pretty comparable sensitivity wise for a proportional weight, which was the original question.

[Deephaven]

Don't buy the Ugly stick.  

Three things you need to balance assuming a quality build.  Weight, Stiffness, and Length.

A longer rod with the same weight & stiffness as a shorter is more sensitive.

A lighter rod with the same stiffness & length as a heavier is more sensitive

A stiffer rod with the same weight and length as a less stiff rod is more sensitive.

The Ugly stick has a terrible ratio of these along with build quality concerns.  The better rod won't have those problems.

 

There is also a lot of misinformation utilizing the word vibrations in this thread.  A vibration is expressed in cycles per second or multiples.  What you feel when a fish bites is not a vibration, but a force that the fish puts on the rod through the line.  Expressing it as a vibration confuses things and is completely incorrect.  Rather easy to visualize what a force does, but much harder for most people to do that with vibrations.  

[CrankFate]

On 8/6/2014 at 1:35 PM, Anohaakten said:

Ended up getting a Shimano Crucial 6'8 Medium XF for $80, just to update you guys. Thanks for all the input, really helped!

These are very fishable rods. I use them every now and then. Extremely tough rods with great components for the price.

11 hours ago, Deephaven said:

Don't buy the Ugly stick.  

 

The Ugly stick has a terrible ratio of these

Yes. The Shimano crucial is a much better rod. It is lighter, thinner and waaaay more sensitive especially with braid. Yet it possesses a much lower ratio of ugly stik rubberyness.