Nolan Hunter Posted July 24, 2014 Posted July 24, 2014 Hey guys I was wondering which broad head I should move to since I'm switching to the mechanical world. And I'm stuck between the g5 t3, and the 2 blade rage. Just wanting to know yells input on which one is more full proof Quote
Super User clayton86 Posted July 24, 2014 Super User Posted July 24, 2014 I shoot grim reapers and won't ever change Quote
Siebert Outdoors Posted July 24, 2014 Posted July 24, 2014 I've shot spitfires for years. No complaints. They have worked on every deer I've shot with them. 1 Quote
kylek Posted July 24, 2014 Posted July 24, 2014 I always used the 100gr. Spitfires. Shooting out of a 65lb bow I had no problem blowing right through the deer and always had them open. Quote
crazyjoeclemens Posted July 24, 2014 Posted July 24, 2014 +1 for the grim reapers. Probably the best mechanical broadhead design. The 1 3/4" are all around great heads. If you're shooting a bow with high KE, they also make a 2" whitetail special. Personally, I think I'll be shooting the new hybrids this year. They look pretty awesome! Quote
Super User clayton86 Posted July 25, 2014 Super User Posted July 25, 2014 +1 for the grim reapers. Probably the best mechanical broadhead design. The 1 3/4" are all around great heads. If you're shooting a bow with high KE, they also make a 2" whitetail special. Personally, I think I'll be shooting the new hybrids this year. They look pretty awesome! I might pick up the new fatal steel ones Quote
Super User F14A-B Posted July 25, 2014 Super User Posted July 25, 2014 I used the first ever... The Punchcutter! For a brand new concept... They blew a hole in a deer I will testify to that! After a bit I liked muzzy s 90 grain 3 blade when I was 15 I used a bear super razor blade I think it was 160 grain... Bad shoulder now... Haven't shot since 2006.. Good luck fellas it's a great hobby!! Quote
Josh Smith Posted July 25, 2014 Posted July 25, 2014 I'm old fashioned, I guess. I'm 36, love Abu Garcia Ambassadeur 5000 and 5500 reels, and shoot an Oregon bow. (Oregon Bow Company eventually became BowTech, but how they got there is quite the interesting read. Scandal, airplane crashes, etc.) I don't trust mechanical broadheads. I won't shoot them. I was an auto tech, professional security (owned the thing; carried a gun), a CNA, and am a gunsmith. In my experience, the more complicated something is, the more likely it is to go sour or not work. This is true for engines, tense situations, peoples' bodies, and firearms. I will continue using fixed blades. Regards, Josh Quote
crazyjoeclemens Posted July 26, 2014 Posted July 26, 2014 I'm old fashioned, I guess. I'm 36, love Abu Garcia Ambassadeur 5000 and 5500 reels, and shoot an Oregon bow. (Oregon Bow Company eventually became BowTech, but how they got there is quite the interesting read. Scandal, airplane crashes, etc.) I don't trust mechanical broadheads. I won't shoot them. I was an auto tech, professional security (owned the thing; carried a gun), a CNA, and am a gunsmith. In my experience, the more complicated something is, the more likely it is to go sour or not work. This is true for engines, tense situations, peoples' bodies, and firearms. I will continue using fixed blades. Regards, Josh I agree with you partly. I'm old fashioned too. Overly complicated things do have more chances to fail, but the thing is, Mechanical broadheads have been around for a long time and they're really not that complicated. Especially the Grim Reapers. Most mechanical broadheads on the market are designed in such a way that they can't fail to open. The biggest difference in quality is whether the broadhead is going to be durable or a one-use kind of thing. There are two main reasons why people have negative experiences with mechanical broadheads - first is poor penetration. a lot of the newer mechanicals have a much larger cutting diameter than their fixed broadhead counterparts. This takes a lot more kinetic energy to punch through a target If you're shooting a low poundage, short drawlength, or an older bow that's not capable of producing as much energy, you'd be best sticking with a fixed broadhead. The last point there is why mechanicals got a bad rap to begin with. When mechanicals first came out, the older eccentric cam bows didn't have the power necessary to make em work like they were supposed to. The second reason is bad marksmanship. I don't hate Rage broadheads - they make an OK product (just a little flimsy and better suited for single use), but they had an AD campaign where the tagline was "Expand your killzone." The problem I have with that is there are a whole lot of lazy bowhunters who get their bow out and shoot it a few times the weekend before season opens and feel like they're doing just fine if they can hit a paper plate or pie plate with their bow. Dad always called em paper plate or pie plate hunters, because that was their benchmark for accuracy, and that term always applied to bow hunters and gun hunters equally. Anyway, this whole "expand your killzone" campaign gave new legitimacy to the paper plate hunters theory that hitting that big paper circle was good enough, because these fancy mechanicals have mysterious and magical killing power. Now, when one of those fools takes a shot (with their poorly tuned bow) and loses a wounded deer, they end up whining and complaining about how they "hit it good" but that stupid mechanical head must not have opened. They tell everyone about it so many times that they start to believe it, too. However, the fact of the matter is that if you hit a deer in the vitals with an unopened mechanical (or a field point for that matter), its still gonna die. Gut shoot it with anything, and its gonna run for miles before it lays down. Anyway, thats my 2 cents on the matter. Sorry about the rant, but that's one of those topics I feel strongly about! Quote
Super User F14A-B Posted July 26, 2014 Super User Posted July 26, 2014 Gut shoot it with anything? And it will run for miles? Before lying down ? That is not even true, sorry... I shot a healthy strong, big buck ( 5 ) point in the stomach, scope fogged up 1990, with a Winchester slug, deer was blowing acorns of all stages outta that wound as well as destroyed blood vessels and artery.... 70 yards there he was, bedded in the root ball of a downed 100ft. Cedar..... Bedded upright with his massive wound pressed against a 6" sapling , dead... Nasty field dress , you said ANYTHING, so I have no choice but to state that as inaccurate. Quote
Josh Smith Posted July 26, 2014 Posted July 26, 2014 Gut shoot it with anything? And it will run for miles? Before lying down ? That is not even true, sorry... I shot a healthy strong, big buck ( 5 ) point in the stomach, scope fogged up 1990, with a Winchester slug, deer was blowing acorns of all stages outta that wound as well as destroyed blood vessels and artery.... 70 yards there he was, bedded in the root ball of a downed 100ft. Cedar..... Bedded upright with his massive wound pressed against a 6" sapling , dead... Nasty field dress , you said ANYTHING, so I have no choice but to state that as inaccurate. There's a world of difference between slugs and arrows. There's a lot of difference between slugs and other bullets. Most gut shot critters will run and may take days to die. Remember, "gut shot" can be intestines as well. Regards, Josh Quote
Super User F14A-B Posted July 26, 2014 Super User Posted July 26, 2014 Josh, I understand that theory, it's bull! I have taken 40 whitetails been around it since 74...I have taken a few with bow and arrow, I have killed deer shooting arrows right up their ass, Iam telling you, if I couldn't shoot and if I didn't know better, I wouldn't have taken that shot, it's just in my many years of doing this... I have seen all the so called rules of engagement on whitetails proved wrong more than once. I could give some incredulous examples that you probably would doubt, nonetheless true... I killed several deer with the original mechanical broad, Punchcutter all aluminum except blades... New tech in 89 certainly a weaker build than today, no doubt... Nonetheless it killed deer for me.... I understand the argument and disagree. My experience has show that many of the so called rules typically just don't hold up in the real world! I do agree though that above all else a strong fixed bladed 125 to even 160 grain is a very sound choice in a broad head Ballistics... A good case study is the battle at Fallujah.. Maybe you are familiar with this? The deal on 9 mm was also debunked , yes? You bet, guys I sold 45 too were then getting it done! 9mm wasn't . Shortened M16 weren't either, but the longer barrels 20" were destroyers, It's what you learn in the field that proves or disproves the So called rules.. Peace.. And happy hunting... Quote
crazyjoeclemens Posted July 26, 2014 Posted July 26, 2014 Gut shoot it with anything? And it will run for miles? Before lying down ? That is not even true, sorry... I shot a healthy strong, big buck ( 5 ) point in the stomach, scope fogged up 1990, with a Winchester slug, deer was blowing acorns of all stages outta that wound as well as destroyed blood vessels and artery.... 70 yards there he was, bedded in the root ball of a downed 100ft. Cedar..... Bedded upright with his massive wound pressed against a 6" sapling , dead... Nasty field dress , you said ANYTHING, so I have no choice but to state that as inaccurate. You're right, I did not specify. However the title of the thread is regarding broadheads, so I thought the archery theme was implied. I suppose you could gut shoot a deer with a bazooka, and it will eventually expire. I will admit that you can get lucky and knick an artery if you gut shoot one with an arrow, but that's not always the case. Remember that with archery gear, your damage is limited to the cutting diameter of the broadhead, whereas hydrostatic shock from a rifle bullet or shotgun slug can rupture things that are not that close to the actual wound channel. It is possible to recover a gut shot deer if you let it lay down and die, but most guys get impatient, go looking, and bump the deer and never find it. Quote
Super User clayton86 Posted July 26, 2014 Super User Posted July 26, 2014 Shot this one in the arse look close you can see the blood stained hair. No pass threw with a mechanical broad head(reapers) little over 100 yard track blood everywhere. Jumped over a log soon as I hit the trigger. 1 Quote
ColdSVT Posted July 29, 2014 Posted July 29, 2014 I shoot grim reapers and won't ever change Same here...they are dirty dirty broadheads! I shot thunderheads for years then i tried rage...shot four deer and recovered them all but i never had a good pass through and my bow has plenty of KE Went to reapers three years ago and have had any issues...five dead deer all within sight on my stand and five clean passthroughs Quote
Super User clayton86 Posted July 29, 2014 Super User Posted July 29, 2014 Same here...they are dirty dirty broadheads! I shot thunderheads for years then i tried rage...shot four deer and recovered them all but i never had a good pass through and my bow has plenty of KE Went to reapers three years ago and have had any issues...five dead deer all within sight on my stand and five clean passthroughs I've shot 3 deer deer with them I've only been bow hunting 1 season though so 6 weeks. 1 I watched drop after punching the heart ran about 30 and crashed. Then the buck in above pic bad shot went 100yards or more crossed a creek and dropped in the other side soon as it made it ashore but if you were to take straight line distance he only went 50 yards just on the other side of the hill then down a ravine and across the creek. The third was another bad shot placement I shot over top of her hitting the backstrap. Quote
Super User clayton86 Posted July 30, 2014 Super User Posted July 30, 2014 The T3 is illegal in NY Quote
MDBowHunter Posted July 31, 2014 Posted July 31, 2014 I don't recall the OP stating that he is from NY Quote
Super User clayton86 Posted July 31, 2014 Super User Posted July 31, 2014 Yeah just stating shoulda added to make sure they are legal in your state because some states consider them as barbed heads 1 Quote
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