St Croix Blank Comparison? - Paging Dvt??

[dam0007]

DVT could prob answer this best for me...

 

Although I have a handful of St Croix rods. I'm not sure on the differences.

 

As far as the blanks go SC2 and SC3 is it pretty much like comparing 30T vs 40T or a IM7 to a IM8... Just trying to get a idea. I have a mojo and a premier for FW, and a mojo and avid for SW. but all the rods are so different its not like comparing a 7'MH/F sc2 to a 7'MH/F SC3...

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

Unfortunately, there are no standards as to what constitutes the modulus ratings blank manufacturers tout. There is a lot more than modulus that makes a good blank. With that said, in the St Croix line, the jump from SCII (Mojo) to SCIII (Avid, Rage) is a definite noticeable one imo. If you must put a modulus number to them I think 30 million to 40 million is somewhere in the neighborhood. The jump from SCIII to SCIV is probably closer to the IM7 IM8 comparison in a lot of cases but keep in mind what I started with. This jump is noticeable but not to the same extent. The Elite and Extreme are really nice blanks but not appreciated by everyone over an LTB or even an Avid. Does this help clarify or just muddy the water more?

[dam0007]

Helps clarify to a certain extent. Sending DM

[Hitch]

So the avid would be a in the im7 to im8 class?

[Tywithay]

So the avid would be a in the im7 to im8 class?

No. IM7 and IM8 are literally useless, unless you're comparing models from one manufacturer. One company's IM7 is a high modulus, sensitive rod; another company's IM7 is just a number they use to sell more rods. There's no universal number between all manufacturers.

[Smallmouth Hunter]

All the nonsense numbers and symbols and whatnot are just a play on the mind. The average joe seems to believe that lots of crazy numbers and random symbols = good rod, new technology, top of the line stuff.

[TrippyJai]

All the nonsense numbers and symbols and whatnot are just a play on the mind. The average joe seems to believe that lots of crazy numbers and random symbols = good rod, new technology, top of the line stuff.

 

Yep, take Shimano for example. When they said they were coming out with a new Crucial rod that would have an IM10 Blank, we all thought it was going to be the Cumara IM10 blank or at least similar and that wasn't the case. The blank (to me) was less sensitive than the old Curcial (cork) IM9. Then we find out it was because they used a different resin, that's pretty deceiving if you ask me. They always say, this new model is stronger, better, lighter, more sensitive every model that comes out.

[Tywithay]

Yep, take Shimano for example. When they said they were coming out with a new Crucial rod that would have an IM10 Blank, we all thought it was going to be the Cumara IM10 blank or at least similar and that wasn't the case. The blank (to me) was less sensitive than the old Curcial (cork) IM9. Then we find out it was because they used a different resin, that's pretty deceiving if you ask me. They always say, this new model is stronger, better, lighter, more sensitive every model that comes out.

Not really deceiving, because they put the material that they actually used on the blank. If it uses IM10 graphite, they can list that on the rod. What a lot of people don't understand is scrims, resins, and tapers, have just as much to do (if not more) with sensitivity and action as the graphite.

[TrippyJai]

Not really deceiving, because they put the material that they actually used on the blank. If it uses IM10 graphite, they can list that on the rod. What a lot of people don't understand is scrims, resins, and tapers, have just as much to do (if not more) with sensitivity and action as the graphite.

 

I knew it was too good to be true since I didn't expect Shimano to give us a better rod with a lower price tag of $20. We saw what happened to the reels.

 

 

At the 0:22 second mark, he said "you cumara guys out there... same blank design". Nothing about that rod is the same except the IM10 graphite they used.

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

Not really deceiving, because they put the material that they actually used on the blank. If it uses IM10 graphite, they can list that on the rod. What a lot of people don't understand is scrims, resins, and tapers, have just as much to do (if not more) with sensitivity and action as the graphite.

Plus there is no industry standard of what exactly IM"x" is.

[Tywithay]

Plus there is no industry standard of what exactly IM"x" is.

True. The rating itself was created by Hexcel, and it is their system for modulus of graphite. Unfortunately, other manufacturers have started using the same rating, which doesn't necessarily coincide with the rating used by Hexcel.