Reel Handle

[BadBassWV]

Does it make since, that if you put a longer handle on a reel other than the stock handle that it would change the gear ratio/IPT ??

[Kevin22]

No. Think of the shaft the handle is on. On a 7.1:1 reel every time that shaft rotates once it turns the spool 7 times. Doesn't matter if your handle is 3" long or 33" long. 

[Tywithay]

Nope. It would take you longer to make a revolution because your hand is traveling further, but the ratio will stay the same.

[BadBassWV]

Thanks guys, I read it somewhere a guy was saying that a longer handle could do damage to an older reel because it would change the gear ratio. It kinda made since when I thought about putting larger tires on a truck will give you a different reading on your speedometer.

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

Changing the handle length one way or the other  won't hurt anything or change any specs. It's a matter of preference. A longer handle may be an advantage on a winch type salt water reel leverage wise but on a bass reel, not really.

[SirSnookalot]

Changing the handle length one way or the other  won't hurt anything or change any specs. It's a matter of preference. A longer handle may be an advantage on a winch type salt water reel leverage wise but on a bass reel, not really.

There is truth to this.  I have an Abu soron 20, I replaced the handle with a 40 which was a perfect fit.  I  believe I have more leverage or cranking power plus I like the feel of the reel better.  At one time this was a saltwater reel but I use for bass now.

[sparky241]

So do some change them out to slow the real down? If the handle is longer it may slow the retrieve down a bit

[iabass8]

So do some change them out to slow the real down? If the handle is longer it may slow the retrieve down a bit

No, it wont slow it...

I personally change mine out to 90mm because i prefer that size. I feel 80/85 is too small for my liking.

[BadBassWV]

If it takes longer to turn a longer handle one revolution. Then it just makes since that it would slow down the IPT. Therefore makeing it actually slower. I don't know why this makes since to me???

[iabass8]

If it takes longer to turn a longer handle one revolution. Then it just makes since that it would slow down the IPT. Therefore makeing it actually slower. I don't know why this makes since to me???

Because you aren't actually thinking about it...

If you attach a 3 foot handle or a 3 inch handle to a 7:1:1 gear ratio reel, one turn of the handle no matter the length still rotates the gears 7 times. IPT has nothing to do with handle length

[Kevin22]

If it takes longer to turn a longer handle one revolution. Then it just makes since that it would slow down the IPT. Therefore makeing it actually slower. I don't know why this makes since to me???

 

 

It will slow down your reeling speed, but it will not change the IPT. It will just take you a longer amount of time to make the full rotation of the longer handle, but each full rotation is still going to spin the spool the same amount of times and pick up the same amount of line. 

[paleus]

IPT will stay the same, even if you had a 3 foot handle on the reel. One turn is one turn is one turn, that's all there is to it. What a longer handle will do is give you more leverage and allow you to put more torque into the reel, too much torque and you start breaking stuff.

[df81]

On 7/9/2014 at 10:51 AM, paleus said:

IPT will stay the same, even if you had a 3 foot handle on the reel. One turn is one turn is one turn, that's all there is to it. What a longer handle will do is give you more leverage and allow you to put more torque into the reel, too much torque and you start breaking stuff.

I came across the thread as I just purchased a Sustain FJ 2500. Beautiful reel.  I have a Sahara 5000 power knob handle that I tried out with the Sustain, for whatever reasons, and after putting the Sustain handle back on it feels “off.  A little “play” and it’s not spinning as long.  Can putting a 5000 handle on a 2500 reel for just 2 minutes damage the entire reel, or are we talking about extended use?  Fk.  I just received the reel today.  Haven’t even used it yet, it was perfect.  

[bulldog1935]

People Never get this on BR. 

The gears in a reel are the same as a transmission in a car - they don't produce anything, they reduce torque into speed. 

What you put in through the handle is the motor.  When you increase the length of the handle, you're putting in more torque and lower rpm. 

When you decrease the length of the handle, you're putting in less torque and more rpm. 

 

I tune every one of my reel handles by gear ratio.  Longer handles on higher-geared reels, shorter on low-geared reels. It improves lure finesse and fish power in the higher-geared reels and pick-up speed on lower gears. 

An internet friend put a long double handle on a low-geared spinning reel, and discovered he couldn't keep up with charging bass and trout. 

 

Handle length is Directly related to gear ratio.  Longer handles slow down the reel and shorter handles speed them up.  Specifically, it doesn't change the IPT, it changes the distance of the T (IPT = I/T - it works out in the math).  The rpm difference - on a longer handle, you wind with more arm, on a shorter handle, with more wrist. 

 

[Deleted account]

23 minutes ago, bulldog1935 said:

The gears in a reel are the same as a transmission in a car...What you put in through the handle is the motor...

I'm revving my Pflueger Trion to 6000 RPMs and see what happens later today...

[king fisher]

I don't worry about it.  I use whatever handle is on the reel when I buy it.  I retrieve the lure the speed that makes the bass strike.  If they want it fast I turn the handle fast, and if the want it slow I turn the handle slow.  If I can't retrieve the lure fast enough, I try another lure.  If I get tired I take a break.  If I don't catch any fish, I will not blame the lack of success on my fishing skill, because it has to be the result of my handle not being the right size, or maybe moon phase, depending on the day.

[Tatulatard]

On 7/9/2014 at 8:06 AM, BadBassWV said:

If it takes longer to turn a longer handle one revolution. Then it just makes since that it would slow down the IPT. Therefore makeing it actually slower. I don't know why this makes since to me???

You are correct.  An 80 mill vs a 120 mill handle has a noticeable impact on retrieve.  IPT (inches per turn) stays the same but the number of turn per minute decrease with increased handle length.  The effect is negligible on a small change in length but noticeable on a large change.  Something like a 20+ mil difference is certainly noticeable but a 5 mil change isn't. 

[zpelletier]

8 hours ago, Deleted account said:

I'm revving my Pflueger Trion to 6000 RPMs and see what happens later today...

Make sure your flux capacitor is good and you’ll see what happens tomorrow 

[df81]

9 hours ago, bulldog1935 said:

People Never get this on BR. 

The gears in a reel are the same as a transmission in a car - they don't produce anything, they reduce torque into speed. 

What you put in through the handle is the motor.  When you increase the length of the handle, you're putting in more torque and lower rpm. 

When you decrease the length of the handle, you're putting in less torque and more rpm. 

 

I tune every one of my reel handles by gear ratio.  Longer handles on higher-geared reels, shorter on low-geared reels. It improves lure finesse and fish power in the higher-geared reels and pick-up speed on lower gears. 

An internet friend put a long double handle on a low-geared spinning reel, and discovered he couldn't keep up with charging bass and trout. 

 

Handle length is Directly related to gear ratio.  Longer handles slow down the reel and shorter handles speed them up.  Specifically, it doesn't change the IPT, it changes the distance of the T (IPT = I/T - it works out in the math).  The rpm difference - on a longer handle, you wind with more arm, on a shorter handle, with more wrist. 

 

 

Thanks for your little lecture, but was this supposed to address my question about damaging my 2500 reel with a 5000 handle?

[Deleted account]

13 minutes ago, zpelletier said:

Make sure your flux capacitor is good and you’ll see what happens tomorrow 

I already know what happens tomorrow Biff...

[zpelletier]

3 minutes ago, Deleted account said:

I already know what happens tomorrow Biff...

Only in sports

[bulldog1935]

2 hours ago, df81 said:

Thanks for your little lecture, but was this supposed to address my question about damaging my 2500 reel with a 5000 handle?

honestly, didn't see your question, and doesn't seem to quite fit the thread context - also just noticed the 8 years.  A few people seemed to like my simple analysis of handle length. 

Sustain is a nice reel.  I like counter-balanced handles on lighter spinning, and have Livre Union with favorite EF30 knob on my Twin Power 3000MHG.  It was a rock-solid swap. 

 

My Stradic 5000, well, I'd give you the 2-oz rubber knob that came on it.  I wanted longer than the 57 mm in near-offshore niche, and used a Daiwa 65-mm handle with IOS SD converter and 14-g Livre EP37 knob. 

 

... @df81

'19 Shimano/Yumeya catalog. 

Your new Sustain will swap handle with '18 Stella and newer Shimano, H-11 handle. 

Everything older uses H-1 or H-2 handle. 

If your Sahara is older than the new Sahara FI - that's definitely the wrong handle. 

 

However, if you just swapped the knobs, side-play in the knob is either caused by needing a fractional-mm shim washer, or not getting the outer bearing completely seated on the knob shaft.