Flouro ????????????

[Grantm1120]

In your opinion, which flouro has the least amount of stretch?

I've been using braid here in Florida because of all the thick cover, flippin, pads, Etc....so trying to make the jump to flouro on some of my rods. Only thing is, it just seems so d**n stretchy. I mean I et good hooksets, fish stay buttoned up. Is it just the feel that I have to get used to? Growing up I uses strictly mono like most of us, but this just seems like a rubber band. I'm using the seaguar Red Label. Any help or insight would be appreciated.

Thanks

[J Francho]

What is that you think you're missing using braid over fluoro in weeds?

[Catch and Grease]

Seguar red label isn't very stretchy at all? Are you using the right rod for the job?

[DTack]

In comparison you're probably going to feel stretch no matter what when you go from braid to fluoro... That might be what you're experiencing.  I have always been all around happy with Sunline Sniper FC, but I'm not sure how the stretch compares to other brands.  I just like the overall strength, the way knots hold, lack of stretch (in my mind) and managability.

[A-Jay]

The kind of flouro this is really Braid.

 

A-Jay

[Grantm1120]

A-jay, no offense, but I'm confused by your lingo

[Grantm1120]

I wanna flip pads and edges with flouro to see if I get a better hookup/more bites ratio. That's all. Just experimenting. I have plenty of rod for the job. Unless you can think of a stiffer rod than a crucial. 7'11" extra heavy fast.

[Catch and Grease]

The kind of flouro this is really Braid.

A-Jay

He be sayin' dat u should be used dat braid instead uh dat flouro

[Big Texan]

I like P Lime Halo but it's more stretchy than the braid I use which is Daiwa Samurai. Can't break the 20# Halo.

[Tywithay]

Sunline Shooter. It's not an opinion though. It really does have the least stretch and best abrasion resistance of any fluorocarbon. It has been proven in tests.

[MichaelJ7]

I'm a fan of seaguar invisx

[Wayne P.]

Sunline Shooter. It's not an opinion though. It really does have the least stretch and best abrasion resistance of any fluorocarbon. It has been proven in tests.

Correct. 

Most other fluorocarbon lines have about the same stretch as Berkley Trilene XL. That is pretty patethic when some tout fluorocarbon has no or very little stretch.

[Wayne P.]

I'm a fan of seaguar invisx

That is one in the catagory that has the most stretch. 13% as compared to 6.3 % for the Shooter.

The tests were done with similar diameter lines.

[iabass8]

Ive used a lot of different brands of fluoro. Shooter hands down has the least stretch and is the most sensitive line ive used for jigs and plastics. Ive only used 20 and 17#. Its got some sticker shock for a price tag but i think its worth it.

[Grantm1120]

Well in don't necessarily mind the cost only because I usually have a ton of braid backing on anyways. Most I put on at a time is 40-50 yards

[aavery2]

That is one in the catagory that has the most stretch. 13% as compared to 6.3 % for the Shooter.

The tests were done with similar diameter lines.

Wayne  are the results your quoting from the FC line shoot out that TT done a few years ago?

[Wayne P.]

Wayne  are the results your quoting from the FC line shoot out that TT done a few years ago?

Yep, did you recognize the numbers?

[aavery2]

Yep, did you recognize the numbers?

Yes I did, that was a great test when it was performed,  I don't know if anyone else had done anything quite that in depth at the time.  I did find an article from the manager of a tensile strength testing laboratory that claimed that the way the deformity (stretch) testing was performed does not reveal anything truly useful about the line.  He suggests that the proper method is to perform tests to determine the actual breaking strength of the line.  Once you have determined this, then perform your deformity test.  His twist was rather than perform the test and measure deformity at breaking strength, that you should perform the deformity test at a percentage of braking strength, say like 25%, 50, 75,  his point being that who cares how much a line stretches just before it breaks.  He contended that it is much better information to know how much stretch there is in a real world working environment, and felt like most regular fishing applications do not put much more than somewhere between 25 - 50% of rated breaking strength strain on line.  

 

I have often thought about his article, and wonder how much difference it would make in the test results.

[Wayne P.]

Yes I did, that was a great test when it was performed,  I don't know if anyone else had done anything quite that in depth at the time.  I did find an article from the manager of a tensile strength testing laboratory that claimed that the way the deformity (stretch) testing was performed does not reveal anything truly useful about the line.  He suggests that the proper method is to perform tests to determine the actual breaking strength of the line.  Once you have determined this, then perform your deformity test.  His twist was rather than perform the test and measure deformity at breaking strength, that you should perform the deformity test at a percentage of braking strength, say like 25%, 50, 75,  his point being that who cares how much a line stretches just before it breaks.  He contended that it is much better information to know how much stretch there is in a real world working environment, and felt like most regular fishing applications do not put much more than somewhere between 25 - 50% of rated breaking strength strain on line.  

 

I have often thought about his article, and wonder how much difference it would make in the test results.

 

TW had several lines test and mentioned one done by Shallow Water Angler.

One of the TW ariticles compared all line types for stretch. Another was just about fluroocarbon compared to Trilene XL.

[ColdSVT]

Seguar red label isn't very stretchy at all? Are you using the right rod for the job?

It certainly is! I liked red label untill i went to invisx and tutsu.

Flouro stretches plain and simple...pretty similar to most mono infact as far as stretch. Not quite as much though depending on brand and size

Going from braid to mono or flouro is always very noticable in the stretch department.

Tatsu and sunline shooter have little stretch imo...but nothin like what braid can offer

[deputybc]

I have had the best and the worst line sponers any fisherman could have in the past before having an accident working in Law Enforcement and had to stop tournament fishing for a while. With that being said the toughest line i have had the fortunes of using is P-line flouro, very low strech and holds memory like crazy. I have went to Seaguar brands and like them very well. Sunline also makes a great product but is a little expensive. I will never go back to mono unless im fishing in the winter. Hope this helps.

[WRB]

TT is doing a new series of line testing currently. The difference in yield strength between FC and premium mono isn't that much, both stretch under similar loads. The difference being FC stretches and stays stretched!

The big factor fishing heavy cover is tensile strength and abrasion resistance fishing cover like vegetation and wood, abrasion from hard rocks isn't a factor when flipping or pitching, unless you are fishing rip rap.

Take a look at TT's initial data for FPI, Fluoro performance index.

If you are using 50-65 lb braid you can't put enough force to stretch it and it doesn't stretch more than 3% with 25+ lbs force. So you should be using 25+ lb FC, the yield strength should be high enough where they stretch is minimal with 8 lbs of force, about the limit of your rod.

Tom

[J Francho]

Fluorocarbon Leader material (not reel fill line) and braid will be you're lowest stretch option, if you want to use fluoro.

[Hattrick7]

I would hear that flouro has little to no stretch until I started reading the research that it does actually stretch but in a different way than mono. I use red label just to get started on flouro and as a leader with braid it's been working great so far.

[Subaqua Adinterim]

So the leader material has less stretch than the reel fill line? I was using Pline floro leader material and then ran out so now I'm using Triline floro left over from the end of a refill spool. Seems as tough and thin, however, may be less stretch since it is much easier to work with than the Pline, not as stiff.