BassVoodoo Posted June 17, 2014 Posted June 17, 2014 My setup...7' Veritas winch rod....BPS PQ 4.7:1 with PP 20# braid....why am I getting so many birdsnests and crankbait launches??? granted this is my first dedicated crankbait rod and first baitcaster but I have enough experience over the last few weeks but I do not understand why? Quote
Super User BassinLou Posted June 17, 2014 Super User Posted June 17, 2014 My setup...7' Veritas winch rod....BPS PQ 4.7:1 with PP 20# braid....why am I getting so many birdsnests and crankbait launches??? granted this is my first dedicated crankbait rod and first baitcaster but I have enough experience over the last few weeks but I do not understand why? I would go down the checklist. Did you properly adjust the brakes. Both centri and the mag? Did you adjust the tension spool, so that the spool stops moving as soon as it touches the ground? If you properly adjusted everything and you are still backlashing, then I would venture to guess that the braid could be the culprit. 20lb braid is very thin on a b/c and can be digging into the spool, causing you to backlash. It happens. Hope the info helps. Quote
Crappiebasser Posted June 17, 2014 Posted June 17, 2014 Is the braid digging in on itself? When you pull on small braid it can dig in and cause problems on the next cast. Quote
stk Posted June 17, 2014 Posted June 17, 2014 I would check to see when you are birdnesting. If you are birdsnesting at the beginning of the cast, then I would adjust the spool tension and the centrifugal brakes. If at the end of the cast I would adjust the magnetic brakes. I usually go with 10lb mono diameter on a baitcaster. I tried 20lb powerpro superslick and it didn't work out very well. I've since gone with 30lb regular power pro and have had less issues. Quote
BassVoodoo Posted June 17, 2014 Author Posted June 17, 2014 It launches and before it hits it jerks the lure to the surface. I think it may be "eating into itself" but I am unsure of the terminology. I started with 10#PP and went to 20#PP...I am just tired of spending money on line for ONE rod. But people on here REGULARLY use 20# braid on BC. I adjust the tension knob for every bait change. I adjust the outside brake wheel... adjusting up or down... but find I leave it around 5 (mid range) more often than not. The internal brakes I don't often adjust its balanced so maybe that is my problem. Quote
Super User Raul Posted June 17, 2014 Super User Posted June 17, 2014 It launches and before it hits it jerks the lure to the surface. I think it may be "eating into itself" but I am unsure of the terminology. I started with 10#PP and went to 20#PP...I am just tired of spending money on line for ONE rod. But people on here REGULARLY use 20# braid on BC. I adjust the tension knob for every bait change. I adjust the outside brake wheel... adjusting up or down... but find I leave it around 5 (mid range) more often than not. The internal brakes I don't often adjust its balanced so maybe that is my problem. Just cuz other people do a certain thing don´t mean you gotta do the same, 30 lb braid is around 6 lb monofilament equivalent so 20 lb braid is quite thin and more difficult to control. Quote
Super User Catch and Grease Posted June 17, 2014 Super User Posted June 17, 2014 It launches and before it hits it jerks the lure to the surface. I think it may be "eating into itself" but I am unsure of the terminology. I started with 10#PP and went to 20#PP...I am just tired of spending money on line for ONE rod. But people on here REGULARLY use 20# braid on BC. I adjust the tension knob for every bait change. I adjust the outside brake wheel... adjusting up or down... but find I leave it around 5 (mid range) more often than not. The internal brakes I don't often adjust its balanced so maybe that is my problem. I use 20# power pro super slick braid on my crankbait setup and it doesn't dig in Quote
Super User new2BC4bass Posted June 17, 2014 Super User Posted June 17, 2014 Switch to 12# Siege or Super Natural and eliminate your problems. I started with 40# braid and have never had a problem with it digging in or snapping lures off and I have locked down the drag and used my thumb on the spool to haul bass out of weedbeds.. Quote
frantzracing0 Posted June 17, 2014 Posted June 17, 2014 Sounds like youre digging in, I would use at a minimum 30lb pp of sufix. Or even just stick to 12lb mono for the cranks. As for launching the baits I assume youre bait is coming untied during the cast? Use a polimar knot and learn to tie it good. It wont slip. Check your knot and line every 8-10 casts and retie when necessary Quote
Capt.Bob Posted June 17, 2014 Posted June 17, 2014 Casting efficiency with a baitcast reel take more than a few weeks. In the beginning I would stick with 15# mono even 20# mono, it will be less trouble untangling and cast a good distance until you become more acquainted with it. The 10# braid is a no no, and even most experienced casters stay away from it as it is known for digging in. any pressure at all and it will dig into itself. When you are ready for braid remember 30# is hard to get efficient with if you are not a well seasoned caster, and 40# is where I would try to gain confidence if I were a beginning caster. Most seasoned casters will tell you it takes PRACTICE PRACTICE and more PRACTICE, to get good with a casting reel. I would also stress to not try and make real long cast's. This is a mistake many beginning casters make, the harder you try to kill the cast, the more trouble you will have. Instead start by aiming for pinpoint targets 20 to 25 yards maximum, and use 3/8 or more weight. Once you can do that every cast without a backlash then move on to 30 to 35 yards and so on. Only when you can cast trouble free with 3/8 oz and heavier weight would I try using lighter lures,,,,,,,,,Good Luck they are great once you master them,,,,,,but it does take time, and work!!! Quote
gripnrip Posted June 17, 2014 Posted June 17, 2014 I'd re-spool starting off with some cheap mono as backing. Then wind the braid on with plenty of tension. If you don't, and it is digging into itself, whatever lure you have on will go buh bye! Quote
TorqueConverter Posted June 18, 2014 Posted June 18, 2014 It launches and before it hits it jerks the lure to the surface. I think it may be "eating into itself" but I am unsure of the terminology. I started with 10#PP and went to 20#PP...I am just tired of spending money on line for ONE rod. But people on here REGULARLY use 20# braid on BC. I adjust the tension knob for every bait change. I adjust the outside brake wheel... adjusting up or down... but find I leave it around 5 (mid range) more often than not. The internal brakes I don't often adjust its balanced so maybe that is my problem. Open up the side plate and turn on, as in slide forward, 4 brakes. This should solve your problem. Quote
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