Magnetic Vs. Centrifugal Brakes

[new2BC4bass]

First off, the dial for the mag brakes drove me nuts while palming the reel. Second, I wasnt using the dual braking system at all, only the cent brakes so I sold the reel and bought a chronarch and a revo s.

 

It wasnt an issue of forgetting to use the mag brakes, I had no need to. I set 2 cent. brakes on and never needed any more.

 

I wasn't thinking of Gen 2 and later models when I posted.  My mistake. My STX is a Gen 1.....magnetic only.  Figured you didn't need any brakes at all since you weren't using the magnetic dial.     Ergonomics is going to be different for each individual.  Magnetic dials don't bother me.

 

I don't have any of the new Shimano reels....E series being the newest.  I own Abu magnetic brake only reels, older Abu round reels, older Shimano centrifugal only, different brands with dual brakes and of course a few Daiwas in at least 3 brake configurations.  The Morrums are something else.  I can't set the Shimano brakes as low as everyone else does and "forget about it".  Nor can I the dual brake reels.  However, my Zillion 50th and Purple Alphas are reels I can pretty much forget about fiddling with.  They are as close to "set and forget" as any reels that I own outside of the Black Max round reels.

 

The Zillion and Alphas are both capable of pretty good distances....for me, but then so are a couple others such as the Gen 1 STX and Curado 51E under the right circumstances.  I think it all boils down to a person's personal preferences for the most part.  Someone else might pick up one of my Chronarchs and outcast the Zillion with it.  I learned on Daiwas, and seem to have the best luck casting with them.

[ColdSVT]

I lied...all of my shimanos have thw VBS system...only my Ci4 has the SVS system...like em both a whole bunch though!

[MCS]

Like centrifugal better, ACS is the way to go. But I have two mag brake reels and they are good too. All it is is thumbing at different points during the cast really

[Michael F]

Ill take centrifugal over magnets anyday! I also like dual breaking as well.

[F14A-B]

Nobody can even conceive of a way to compete with Diawas Magforce Z or V or 3D

Nobody can compete with shimanos VBS or SVS Infinity.... Personally,company's that combine both... Do neither very well. IMHO.....

[Capt.Bob]

Nobody can even conceive of a way to compete with Diawas Magforce Z or V or 3D

Nobody can compete with shimanos VBS or SVS Infinity.... Personally,company's that combine both... Do neither very well. IMHO.....

Oh so far from the truth!!! You sir have never owned a Lew's TP or Team Gold, I own a Super Duty and it is Mag only absolutely the easiest to cast reel with a large spoll that I have ever used!! The BB1 Centrifugal only I believe this reel will outcast any other reel out of the box that uses centrifugal only absolutely would have to try and backlash it. and the team Gold and TP for that matter use both, and will put the team Gold up there with any reel at any price!! You want perfection, try a highly Super Tuned Team Gold,,,,,, and forget the Ceramics, who needs em!! and yes sir I have owned most others, and have been runnung my own reel shop for 20+ years, tuned many and to say nobody can use both and make them work is well,,,,,,,,obvious you haven't owned em all!!! 

[F14A-B]

Yes Bob... You are right I do not own the latest Lews reels... Nor would I at this point and time...

I won't debate it though, so who owns lews now?

Still Quantum or some other investment firm?

Reels are too expensive for me to try them all...

I suppose owning a shop as you do... That gives you a fair amount of opportunity to at least cast them... I stick with what I like and know yields the results that I look for and/ or need...also it's a very competive business ( fishing) so I gladly yield the Floor!!! Lol......

[CTGalloway21]

actually this thread I started because I use Abu Revo SX's and been noticing them being finicky lately. 

[Capt.Bob]

actually this thread I started because I use Abu Revo SX's and been noticing them being finicky lately. 

Is this something that just started? If so have they been serviced lately? If they have did you change something from previous servicing? If not  maybe they need serviced? Or is this just something that you have noticed new out of the box.

 

I personally like centrifugal,.if I only could have one. They are more aggressive at the beginning of the cast when overrun's are most likely. This is where most, with less than highly trained thumbs, run into there biggest problems. I prefer the 4 brake automatic spring assisted  system of the Lew's I prefer over the the manual that Shimano uses, and I have never used more than 2 of the 6 brakes available on the Shimano. The BB1 from Lew's has 2 manual and 4 spring assisted brakes, my BB1 uses 1 assisted once in a while with bulky light lures in the wind I will use 2, and both manual have never been used, after trying them once, they were way more aggressive than I like. What I like about assisted brakes are, they are aggressive at the beginning of the cast like all centrifugal brakes are, but they are lighter mid and late cast.

 

But Like I said, the Super Duty uses Mag braking and for pitching flipping and casting bigger lures it is a dream. I feel it is as good as Diawas at doing what it is intended to do. But I have to say the Diawa system is more advanced. Some have said they like mag better for flipping and pitching, it is something I never thought about till it was mentioned, but I agree after thinking about it, the few Magnetic brake reels I have owned were mostly easier to use for pitching and flipping, but still did a descent job at controlling casting!!! They all make great systems today and even lesser reels from the major manufacturers are quite well equipped with useable braking systems today. I like everyone else have my preferences!!  

[aavery2]

Bob, I think you are letting your fondness for the Lews reels cloud your judgment.  Comparing anyone's static magnetic braking system to Daiwa's linear Magforce Z or 3D is  a  losing argument.

[TorqueConverter]

Bob, I think you are letting your fondness for the Lews reels cloud your judgment.  Comparing anyone's static magnetic braking system to Daiwa's linear Magforce Z or 3D is  a  losing argument.

 

You're probably right, but if there is a reel worth taking a look at, it is the current gen BPS Extreme.  It features a static magforce like braking system but hidden behind the inductor is a 4 pin centrifugal brake system.  The end result is something that is fairly magforce z like.    

[Capt.Bob]

Bob, I think you are letting your fondness for the Lews reels cloud your judgment.  Comparing anyone's static magnetic braking system to Daiwa's linear Magforce Z or 3D is  a  losing argument.

I said the Diawa's was much more advanced, I am not a professional, but the Lew's cast thoughtlessly without a hitch and the distance is legendary???? The Diawas may work better with lures under 5/16 oz. but the super duty would never gain from it because of the size the spool and the reel is not designed for finesse casting, this is where the Diawa system's advanced Magnetic System shows its strength. Like I said for what the mag brakes do on the Lew's SD there is no need for anything else. I did not say My Team Gold does not need the Centrifugal brakes and the mag will do anything the Diawa will. That would be "clouded"!! But to think the dual braking system of the Team Gold or TP for that mater doesn't control spool breaking as good as the Diawa system, well that would be clouded!! They both make the reels cast effortlessly. One thing I do know is from many can say other brands are as smooth, cast as far, and as effortlessly, but the Lew's reel's on average do as well as any other reel on the market,,,,and many better. That is not clouded.

[aavery2]

I said the Diawa's was much more advanced, I am not a professional, but the Lew's cast thoughtlessly without a hitch and the distance is legendary???? The Diawas may work better with lures under 5/16 oz. but the super duty would never gain from it because of the size the spool and the reel is not designed for finesse casting, this is where the Diawa system's advanced Magnetic System shows its strength. Like I said for what the mag brakes do on the Lew's SD there is no need for anything else. I did not say My Team Gold does not need the Centrifugal brakes and the mag will do anything the Diawa will. That would be "clouded"!! But to think the dual braking system of the Team Gold or TP for that mater doesn't control spool breaking as good as the Diawa system, well that would be clouded!! They both make the reels cast effortlessly. One thing I do know is from many can say other brands are as smooth, cast as far, and as effortlessly, but the Lew's reel's on average do as well as any other reel on the market,,,,and many better. That is not clouded.

What kind of distance qualifies as legendary, terms like this mean nothing, put it in usable terms like yards, feet or inches.  You also stated many times that you have owned a shop and have serviced reels for 20 years, would that not make you a professional.  The new Lews are solid reels, but anything legendary about them died in an airplane crash, they are made by Doyo, plain and simple.    You might also want to investigate reels like the Daiwa Z2020 with magforce 3D braking, not exactly a finesse reel, and offers a distinct advantage over static magnetic braking.       I will stick by my original statement and say that your judgment is clouded.

[Capt.Bob]

What kind of distance qualifies as legendary, terms like this mean nothing, put it in usable terms like yards, feet or inches.  You also stated many times that you have owned a shop and have serviced reels for 20 years, would that not make you a professional.  The new Lews are solid reels, but anything legendary about them died in an airplane crash, they are made by Doyo, plain and simple.    You might also want to investigate reels like the Daiwa Z2020 with magforce 3D braking, not exactly a finesse reel, and offers a distinct advantage over static magnetic braking.       I will stick by my original statement and say that your judgment is clouded.

WOWE WOWE back to earth there aavery2, get out of the clouds,,, you are talking about a over $650.00 reel  not a $179.00 reel, but it does not matter, if the Super Duty used the same braking system the the Z2020 used, it would not increase braking performance, unless maybee if you were trying to run 15 or 20# braid, which would make no sense on this reel, but if it did the Super Duty would be compared to the Calais DC or Calcutta DC,,,,, for the price of the Z2020 it should have the same braking performance as those reals. again APPLES TO APPLES! and why I say the diawas is more advanced,,,,,,,,again! But thanks for professional comment,,,,,

[aavery2]

WOWE WOWE back to earth there aavery2, get out of the clouds,,, you are talking about a over $650.00 reel  not a $179.00 reel, but it does not matter, if the Super Duty used the same braking system the the Z2020 used, it would not increase braking performance, if it did the Super Duty would be compared to the Calais DC or Calcutta DC,,,,, for the price of the Z2020 it should have the same braking performance as those reals. again APPLES TO APPLES! and why I say the diawas is more advanced,,,,,,,,again

Ok compare it to the Daiwa T3, on sale now for 198.00 uses the same superior magforce 3D braking system.   You are the one who is always spouting about how your Lews reels compare to reels that cost many time more, so which is it?

[Tywithay]

WOWE WOWE back to earth there aavery2, get out of the clouds,,, you are talking about a over $650.00 reel not a $179.00 reel, but it does not matter, if the Super Duty used the same braking system the the Z2020 used, it would not increase braking performance, if it did the Super Duty would be compared to the Calais DC or Calcutta DC,,,,, for the price of the Z2020 it should have the same braking performance as those reals. again APPLES TO APPLES! and why I say the diawas is more advanced,,,,,,,,again!

Having owned all of them you're speaking of, the Z2020 will outcast those DC reels.

[Michael F]

well, so much for a civilized conversation

[skeletor6]

I'm a huge fan of Daiwa Magforce 3D.

I would be interested in reading a review from you on this as questions regarding this system and it's efficacy come up quite often in my camp. Most are over on TT.

Anyways, as a baseline I'm not enthusiastic over magnetic breaking systems outside of Daiwa. My experience isn't grave, however a Sol and 103 steez have shown superiority over a variety of magnetic only reels I have used. Still, these systems require greater skill from the user than a centrifugal system most notably Shimano. Casting on a windy day will quickly reveal the need to control the spool to a higher degree early in the cast. It's not necessarily a downfall, it just requires more practice and skill from the user to achieve proficiency with the reel when compared to a centrifugal system.

As such, I let my friends use my Shimano 50 size reels when they hop on my boat empty-handed. However, when dialed in with adequate talent from the user fantastic results can be obtained from Daiwa's systems. Whereas, Shimanos systems you just set and forget with less thumb usage and with consistent results.

My issues come up in cheaper magnetic only systems. They just do not compare to the breaking and efficiency obtained with daiwa. They have a large lead in performance on a magnetic breaking platform as it stands right now.

Nonetheless, an interesting mix is DC reels. My Shimano Exsence DC is an absolute bomber when it comes to distance and is ridiculously easy to control. Even on short casts which I was skeptical about. And it is the only reel I can legitimately skip without issues. If only they could make a 6oz version.

[iabass8]

I would be interested in reading a review from you on this as questions regarding this system and it's efficacy come up quite often in my camp. Most are over on TT.

Anyways, as a baseline I'm not enthusiastic over magnetic breaking systems outside of Daiwa. My experience isn't grave, however a Sol and 103 steez have shown superiority over a variety of magnetic only reels I have used. Still, these systems require greater skill from the user than a centrifugal system most notably Shimano. Casting on a windy day will quickly reveal the need to control the spool to a higher degree early in the cast. It's not necessarily a downfall, it just requires more practice and skill from the user to achieve proficiency with the reel when compared to a centrifugal system.

As such, I let my friends use my Shimano 50 size reels when they hop on my boat empty-handed. However, when dialed in with adequate talent from the user fantastic results can be obtained from Daiwa's systems. Whereas, Shimanos systems you just set and forget with less thumb usage and with consistent results.

My issues come up in cheaper magnetic only systems. They just do not compare to the breaking and efficiency obtained with daiwa. They have a large lead in performance on a magnetic breaking platform as it stands right now.

Nonetheless, an interesting mix is DC reels. My Shimano Exsence DC is an absolute bomber when it comes to distance and is ridiculously easy to control. Even on short casts which I was skeptical about. And it is the only reel I can legitimately skip without issues. If only they could make a 6oz version.

Are there any particulars you would like to know about the braking system or just a general overview of it?

[ColdSVT]

Wow...buzz kill...

[bassin is addicting]

Wow...buzz kill...

 

X2 you had to know this was going to eventually happen... when asked for a simple "vs" of anything it ends up being..

my dad can beat up your dad...  lol...

[LipRipper87]

I like the centrifugal braking system in the curado I , but I prefer the ACS braking system in the quantum smoke.

[bootytrain]

Actually Shimano's DC is the most advanced magnetic braking system

[TNBassin']

Centrifugal over mag brakes all day, though a dual braking system like what's found on the REVO STX is the absolute best of both worlds as it allows you to easily throw anything in your tackle box.