Michael F Posted May 31, 2014 Posted May 31, 2014 Hey guys, I just picked up a 3rd Gen Revo Winch and noticed theres is just a slight back play in the handle and its driving me nuts, I was wondering if anyone has upgraded the anti reverse bearing and knows what dimensions i would need. I mean, i can live with the back play its not bad, but I can't enjoy the reel with it there if you know what i mean, its bothering me a lot. Just to point this out, i have tightened the drag and the backplay is still there. Thanks in advace Quote
Super User .RM. Posted May 31, 2014 Super User Posted May 31, 2014 Hey guys, I just picked up a 3rd Gen Revo Winch and noticed theres is just a slight back play in the handle and its driving me nuts, I was wondering if anyone has upgraded the anti reverse bearing and knows what dimensions i would need. I mean, i can live with the back play its not bad, but I can't enjoy the reel with it there if you know what i mean, its bothering me a lot. Just to point this out, i have tightened the drag and the backplay is still there. Thanks in advace If new in the box take it back, if it was used send it to mike (DVT) board sponsor and have it serviced... Tight Lines! Quote
Michael F Posted May 31, 2014 Author Posted May 31, 2014 The original one i bought i sent back and have the 2nd one with the same issue lol, looks like ill be sending this one back as well Quote
cddan Posted June 3, 2014 Posted June 3, 2014 Its seems to be the whole gen3 line is that way. I don't like it either. I would like to find a fix also. I had a Daiwa zillion that way also. You would think these high end reels would have a solid anti reverse. I read somewhere it was an engineering issue they are more durable or corrosion resistant. Quote
Michael F Posted June 3, 2014 Author Posted June 3, 2014 Yeah i read something about that as well, I'm really not a fan of play in my reels. I can't enjoy it. I was considering a Diawa crazy cranker over the winch after going through 2 of them and realizing that backplay wasnt a dud, figured maybe i could change out the ar bearing but oh well. Quote
Super User aavery2 Posted June 3, 2014 Super User Posted June 3, 2014 I think what you perceive as a problem is apparently more of a dimensional tolerance and a trade off for better corrosion resistance. This is a reply from Shimano Product Support when asked why they did not address this with the release of the new line of Shimano reels. "There is a certain amount of tolerance for the parts first of all. The roller bearings we use could have a slight amount of play, but it is not considered excessive. There are only a few bearing manufacturers out there for this style of roller bearings. We use the one that meets our specs for overall holding strength and corrosion resistance. We could go with a tighter bearing, but they tend to have poor anti corrosion properties. The bearing style in the CT-D is different and much larger. Also the way the drive shaft is built and drag adjustment allows for a different lock up.The way the bearing works you can force back play because the cage is plastic with fingers that press against the rollers. They move to a point to cause the bearing to stop rotation in the opposite direction. This is what you feel as back play. The engineers at Shimano decided on the bearings they use because they meet the requirements that have been set by the R&D team. I have passed the complaints along and I receive the same answer. The tighter feeling bearings do not pass our QC standards for corrosion resistance." If you are experienced with reel disassembly the lateral play in the handle can be tuned to your liking by using very thin shimming washers in the correct location. Because of machining tolerances and the time it would take to precision adjust the amount of play in this area some reels have more play than others. My experience has been that they use the same sized shim on all reels during assembly and that a certain amount of play is within tolerance. 1 Quote
Super User .RM. Posted June 3, 2014 Super User Posted June 3, 2014 I think what you perceive as a problem is apparently more of a dimensional tolerance and a trade off for better corrosion resistance. This is a reply from Shimano Product Support when asked why they did not address this with the release of the new line of Shimano reels. "There is a certain amount of tolerance for the parts first of all. The roller bearings we use could have a slight amount of play, but it is not considered excessive. There are only a few bearing manufacturers out there for this style of roller bearings. We use the one that meets our specs for overall holding strength and corrosion resistance. We could go with a tighter bearing, but they tend to have poor anti corrosion properties. The bearing style in the CT-D is different and much larger. Also the way the drive shaft is built and drag adjustment allows for a different lock up. The way the bearing works you can force back play because the cage is plastic with fingers that press against the rollers. They move to a point to cause the bearing to stop rotation in the opposite direction. This is what you feel as back play. The engineers at Shimano decided on the bearings they use because they meet the requirements that have been set by the R&D team. I have passed the complaints along and I receive the same answer. The tighter feeling bearings do not pass our QC standards for corrosion resistance." If you are experienced with reel disassembly the lateral play in the handle can be tuned to your liking by using very thin shimming washers in the correct location. Because of machining tolerances and the time it would take to precision adjust the amount of play in this area some reels have more play than others. My experience has been that they use the same sized shim on all reels during assembly and that a certain amount of play is within tolerance. X2. Looked for that interview couldn't find it.. Thanks for posting it.... 2 Quote
Michael F Posted June 4, 2014 Author Posted June 4, 2014 I was wondering if maybe theres back play from the reel being over lubed, because I just had my hands on an stx that didn't have any play, but a friend of mine said his new out of the box has no play at all in the handle. hmm. Anyone elses revo winch have play in it? Im also seeing tackle tours copy had play but their copy of the stx didn't have play in the handle either. Quote
cddan Posted June 4, 2014 Posted June 4, 2014 My stx (3)has back play, more after I have lubed it.you notice it more when running lures that you impart a lot of stop and go action to. I still really like the reel. Quote
TiNuts Posted June 4, 2014 Posted June 4, 2014 None of my gen 3 SXs or mgx have any back play at all. Quote
Michael F Posted June 4, 2014 Author Posted June 4, 2014 None of my gen 3 SXs or mgx have any back play at all. If that's the case, then it would seem as if the reels I received had too much gunk in the a/r. I think ill get another winch and just give it a full cleaning, See if the problem goes away, if not, ill look into new a/r bearings Since I really do like the reel a lot, just really hate the backplay. Quote
TorqueConverter Posted June 4, 2014 Posted June 4, 2014 Are you sure the backplay isn't just the bit of movement between the spool pin and pinon? The reel has to go from free spool to engaged and when engaged there is a bit of movement due to the those parts having a loose tolerance because of how the pinon grabs the spool. I've never seen a reel with 0 spool black play. If it's truly in the handle then you're right and a good look at the Abu aftermarket is needed. If your looking at Abu upgrades and willing to open your wallet, then take a look at hedgehog studio. Quote
Delaware Valley Tackle Posted June 4, 2014 Posted June 4, 2014 Flushing the grease out of the AR and swabbing it with light oil should show an improvement. In a lot of cases the fit between the AR sleeve and drive shaft shows more movement than the roller bearing. 1 Quote
Super User .RM. Posted June 4, 2014 Super User Posted June 4, 2014 I was wondering if maybe theres back play from the reel being over lubed, because I just had my hands on an stx that didn't have any play, but a friend of mine said his new out of the box has no play at all in the handle. hmm. Anyone elses revo winch have play in it? Im also seeing tackle tours copy had play but their copy of the stx didn't have play in the handle either. Most don't have any tolerance play right out of the box.... It's when you started to brake the reel in (use it) that some tolerance play will show up. Also note no two reels will brake in the same.... Again my .02¢ Tight Lines! 1 Quote
Michael F Posted June 4, 2014 Author Posted June 4, 2014 Flushing the grease out of the AR and swabbing it with light oil should show an improvement. In a lot of cases the fit between the AR sleeve and drive shaft shows more movement than the roller bearing. Thats what ill do if I get my hands on another winch Quote
Michael F Posted June 4, 2014 Author Posted June 4, 2014 Are you sure the backplay isn't just the bit of movement between the spool pin and pinon? The reel has to go from free spool to engaged and when engaged there is a bit of movement due to the those parts having a loose tolerance because of how the pinon grabs the spool. I've never seen a reel with 0 spool black play. If it's truly in the handle then you're right and a good look at the Abu aftermarket is needed. If your looking at Abu upgrades and willing to open your wallet, then take a look at hedgehog studio. No its deff the handle, if i had a vidcam and still had the reel id post it, im going to be getting my 3rd in the following week though. I was going to just get a zillion crazy cranker, but i really do like the winch minus the backplay. Im hoping flushing out the a/r will fix the problem Quote
MichaelJ7 Posted June 4, 2014 Posted June 4, 2014 I have revo gen3 reels. 2-premiers 1-winch 1-sx and have never had an issue with any "back play." 1 Quote
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