ShimanoDobynsGuy Posted May 9, 2014 Author Posted May 9, 2014 I worked as a union member for many years. I have also worked in management in union shops and spent years working as a non-union original equipment rep in union shops. I know how the system works. Those of you who are drawing conclusions about unions based on this member, and this situation do so based on a snap-shot that does not illustrate all unions.This "brotherhood" has let this guy, the membership and the company down by allowing him to continue putting everyone at risk. I think we all can agree on that. The shots at unions and their membership do not belong here IMO. I agree with part of this but no one knows for sure he was drunk its basicaly speculation. I should of worded my first post better. But i nor anyone knows for sure. We just assume and we all know where that gets us. it makes a ass out of you nad me both.. If anything the union has not let this guy down they have told him to ask for help and if he doesnt they cant do anything for him due to the contract.
Super User jbsoonerfan Posted May 9, 2014 Super User Posted May 9, 2014 The title of the thread is "Drunk Co Worker What Do I Do" Maybe you didn't read the title of the thread before you posted it. What would you think if I posted "My neighbor cooks meth, what do I do" See what I am getting at. I think you are taking some heat because you brought up the whole union "brotherhood" thing. I think you didn't know what to do is because you were afraid of not getting your little "brotherhood" promotion. Hence the reason you want to be anonymous. JMHO though
ShimanoDobynsGuy Posted May 9, 2014 Author Posted May 9, 2014 If he is still drinking and coming to work like you described. Then no, it's not good that he still has a job. Brotherhood over safety , what a crock. You may get enough votes for that higher union position you are seeking though. But at what cost ? once again i never said he was for sure still coming in drunk. He appears to me to be but im no to say for sure. And my boss and upper management are rite there as well. every morning we have a meeting he is there in the back just like always. in my opionion they dont feel they have the evidence on him either or it would already be done.
Super User deaknh03 Posted May 9, 2014 Super User Posted May 9, 2014 I was not trying to generalize unions, and yes, I read the whole thread..I was just stating that the scenario from the beginning was asanine. No drug or alcohol tests after a 100k accident? Nobody else blows the whistle on a guy that is literally gonna kill someone? Ive worked in unions and outside of unions, in billion dollar companies, and dealt with guys coming in drunk, many times, but have never even approached anything like this scenario. Im not saying its cut and dry, but I have and would not ever let someone intentionally impaired endanger myself or one of my "brothers". Not once.Ever.
ShimanoDobynsGuy Posted May 9, 2014 Author Posted May 9, 2014 The title of the thread is "Drunk Co Worker What Do I Do" Maybe you didn't read the title of the thread before you posted it. What would you think if I posted "My neighbor cooks meth, what do I do" See what I am getting at. I think you are taking some heat because you brought up the whole union "brotherhood" thing. I think you didn't know what to do is because you were afraid of not getting your little "brotherhood" promotion. Hence the reason you want to be anonymous. JMHO though I agree i should of made a better topic. That is my fault but i have explained in several posts that i wasnt sure. If i could change the topic i woul re word it but cant
Super User jbsoonerfan Posted May 9, 2014 Super User Posted May 9, 2014 I agree with part of this but no one knows for sure he was drunk its basicaly speculation. I should of worded my first post better. But i nor anyone knows for sure. We just assume and we all know where that gets us. it makes a ass out of you nad me both.. If anything the union has not let this guy down they have told him to ask for help and if he doesnt they cant do anything for him due to the contract. Oh, so now you just assume.....The title says he is "Drunk" I suppose you wouldn't mind people assuming you were a thief, or coke head, or child molester??? Bottom line, something should have been done when he had the accident. If he were indeed drunk on the job it should have been handled and he should have been shown the door, "brotherhood" or not. I don't know much about Unions, but this thread sure shines a negative light on what goes on to protect a "brother".
ShimanoDobynsGuy Posted May 9, 2014 Author Posted May 9, 2014 I was not trying to generalize unions, and yes, I read the whole thread..I was just stating that the scenario from the beginning was asanine. No drug or alcohol tests after a 100k accident? Nobody else blows the whistle on a guy that is literally gonna kill someone? Ive worked in unions and outside of unions, in billion dollar companies, and dealt with guys coming in drunk, many times, but have never even approached anything like this scenario. Im not saying its cut and dry, but I have and would not ever let someone intentionally impaired endanger myself or one of my "brothers". Not once.Ever. If you read the whole thread then you would no that i am not sure if he was drunk i am going by what others are saying or was told to me. I mean **** someone could come up to me tell dude is blowing coke up his nose in the bathroom. But its not place to watch out for these things or speculate. These people that were concerned basically didnt want to say anything to the boss so they told me. I feel if they were sure then would went to the boss. If i ws 100% sure then i would of said something but im not. So the best i could do was alert management to the issue now its there responseabilty to make a case or prove it. Not mine. And 100,000 to the company is like a 1.00 to me and you this company makes 18 billion a year profit after it pays all of your wages insurence pension vacation cost to run there facilitys world wide. They dont give a **** about 100,000 dollars the president alone gets 12 million a year in bonuses not including his stock options and BS. They have built there own Private airpoert basicaly for all there upper brass to come in to town. We are talking about a company that is in the top 50 in world. Not your local union contractor..
ShimanoDobynsGuy Posted May 9, 2014 Author Posted May 9, 2014 Oh, so now you just assume.....The title says he is "Drunk" I suppose you wouldn't mind people assuming you were a thief, or coke head, or child molester??? Bottom line, something should have been done when he had the accident. If he were indeed drunk on the job it should have been handled and he should have been shown the door, "brotherhood" or not. I don't know much about Unions, but this thread sure shines a negative light on what goes on to protect a "brother". Aagian read the whole thread and just want you want to read.. You would see several times where i have stated i was not directly involved or for sure employee was drunk.
ShimanoDobynsGuy Posted May 9, 2014 Author Posted May 9, 2014 To be quit honest the company should be doing something about it. Not me not the union no one. The company is at fault for not giving a **** about the incident not my fault.
Brian Needham Posted May 9, 2014 Posted May 9, 2014 To be quit honest the company should be doing something about it. Not me not the union no one. The company is at fault for not giving a **** about the incident not my fault. if that is/was the case then it is the union's responsibility to step in......as it is a unsafe work environment.
Super User F14A-B Posted May 9, 2014 Super User Posted May 9, 2014 I don't believe they will..Do anything, Paper trails ... Emails is evidence, they begin this then later something real bad happens....... . Then it just says we knew it then.. In court.. That's money.... If they document nothing... And something real bad happens... They can claim it was a one time occurrence! Somewhat of a defense.... probably less costly in the long run.
Super User jbsoonerfan Posted May 9, 2014 Super User Posted May 9, 2014 Aagian read the whole thread and just want you want to read.. You would see several times where i have stated i was not directly involved or for sure employee was drunk. I have read the entire thread. I think I comprehend what is going on. The simple fact that you had to start the thread in the first place tells me a lot about what I need to know. I will admit though, many of your posts are hard to understand, so maybe I didn't quite get what you were "trying" to say.
Brian Needham Posted May 9, 2014 Posted May 9, 2014 hell, this thread is evidence people in superior positions did not pursue it aggressively and waffled, knowing an alcoholic was operating heavy equipment. but I am sure when someone dies everyone will stand around and say "how did this happen?" I don't have to assume anything... I have read this thread and seen it in real life. 1
Brian Needham Posted May 9, 2014 Posted May 9, 2014 AbuCroixGuy---- I don't want you to think I am passing judgement because I am not.... I am perhaps speaking more freely than I should. this event and whole timeline concerns me......if you are going to call this man "brother" then you MUST take it to him face to face.... I implore you, have a come to Jesus talk with the guy, let him know you are there for him and will help him, like a real brother does and will do for a guy. In my line of work, I just let the guy go and wash my hands. I understand unions are different (whether I agree or not) if you care about this man help him. It is obvious the man does not understand how his actions has destroyed his life. is it my opinion, this is your call to action....to help someone in dire need..... this is WAY past unions, jobs, ect this is human to human. 2
Super User Raider Nation Fisher Posted May 9, 2014 Super User Posted May 9, 2014 I'm starting to get sick of this union bashing. Rats are every bit as bad if not worse than their union counterparts, in regards to some things. I know this, I ain't worked with any meth heads since I've joined. I ain't had a problem with my tools walking off anymore either.
Super User jbsoonerfan Posted May 9, 2014 Super User Posted May 9, 2014 I'm starting to get sick of this union bashing. Rats are every bit as bad if not worse than their union counterparts, in regards to some things. I know this, I ain't worked with any meth heads since I've joined. I ain't had a problem with my tools walking off anymore either. Just drunks???
Super User Raider Nation Fisher Posted May 9, 2014 Super User Posted May 9, 2014 Just drunks??? LOL! That was funny.No drunks either. The "good" brothers will either make them drag, or wait for them in the parking lot. Stuff like that isn't tolerated on the job sites I'm working on. It may be more common on some of the other job sites. The power house jobs will give you a never never, (never eligible for rehire) regardless of what trade you try an come back out there with. Southern Company runs most the power houses in the south. So that nixes a large chunk of available jobs.
Nice_Bass Posted May 9, 2014 Posted May 9, 2014 Wait now im confused....it is common in the private sector that we get paid to take clients drinking and vise versa. :-)
ShimanoDobynsGuy Posted May 9, 2014 Author Posted May 9, 2014 AbuCroixGuy---- I don't want you to think I am passing judgement because I am not.... I am perhaps speaking more freely than I should. this event and whole timeline concerns me......if you are going to call this man "brother" then you MUST take it to him face to face.... I implore you, have a come to Jesus talk with the guy, let him know you are there for him and will help him, like a real brother does and will do for a guy. In my line of work, I just let the guy go and wash my hands. I understand unions are different (whether I agree or not) if you care about this man help him. It is obvious the man does not understand how his actions has destroyed his life. is it my opinion, this is your call to action....to help someone in dire need..... this is WAY past unions, jobs, ect this is human to human. have already tried when he worked directly with me i and all of us in the front of the building tried to convence him to go to medical and ask for help.. He just wont do it. Its not that we or i have swept him under the floor. Even when me and another guy were giving him rides to work. And he swore me and this other employee were outside his apartment at 3am in clown suits messing with him.. He went to work and told several people this.. At that point we were really aware of how messed up this guy was. You can lead a horse to water but you cant make him drink. A couple of us guys set him up with some good people that allowed him to stay at there house for awhile and he did sober up for 4 months or so. But they were christians and he didnt like the rules they had. So he moved back out on his own and got a apartment things started going down hill fast.. Then he got RIF out of my area cause the company was letting go of all the suplamentals and were taking union guys and put them into there jobs. Just really not much i can do further but kidnapping the 42 year old and taking him to rehab.. I really cant explain everything in detail i would be typing all night. Just no we didnt just toss this guy under the buss. And the company failed when they should of done the proper tests when the incedent happended but since no ne was hurt and it wasnt that big of a deal to them. For some reason they just ingnored it. Like i said to them a near miss is not as inportant as if someone actuallly gets hurt.
ShimanoDobynsGuy Posted May 9, 2014 Author Posted May 9, 2014 I will not be answering anymore questions this is taking up way to much of my time and way to f***** up for you guys/gals to understand.. I am sorry for not making the topic more fitting for the post. The day i made this thread was mind F****** on what to do.. i thought i could get some good advice on here. Didnt think this was gonna turn into me having to defend my morel as a charcter or defend my union. When it all boils down to it the company dropped the ball not I or the union.. If this guy ends up killing someone or i end up walking him out i will update if niether happens i will not post. Thanks to all that have spook up i agree with some and disagree with even more. Have a good night and even better time fishing. Thanks Jay
Super User jbsoonerfan Posted May 9, 2014 Super User Posted May 9, 2014 I will not be answering anymore questions this is taking up way to much of my time and way to f***** up for you guys/gals to understand.. I am sorry for not making the topic more fitting for the post. The day i made this thread was mind F****** on what to do.. i thought i could get some good advice on here. Didnt think this was gonna turn into me having to defend my morel as a charcter or defend my union. When it all boils down to it the company dropped the ball not I or the union.. If this guy ends up killing someone or i end up walking him out i will update if niether happens i will not post. Thanks to all that have spook up i agree with some and disagree with even more. Have a good night and even better time fishing. Thanks Jay I don't blame you. When taking 30 seconds to respond to a thread, is taking up way to much of your time, then I too think you should find other things to do. As far as not making the topic "more fitting for the post", you are the one who chose to bring your quandary to a public forum. I am sorry that not every one agrees with your stance. Keep in mind that this is a public forum and not every one will always agree with you. If your skin isn't thick enough to post your personal issues in public, then I suggest you keep it in private. That being said, this is the culture we are in I suppose. Run to the internet and tell your problems, then cry when others don't agree.
plumworm Posted May 9, 2014 Posted May 9, 2014 Raider, I don't think anyone was "bashing" the union. To began with, Stcroix stated in the OP that he was worried that if he outed his "brother" that his fellow workers would not vote for him in an upcoming union election. I'm not bashing the union, I'm simply pointing out that he seems to be more worried about his future in the union than the safety of his union "brothers" This was not about unions but about Stcroix covering his butt. To began with, it was a really dumb post. When you have a whole lot of folks who are not really excited about unions and have Stcroix say " At least he still has his job" when he doesn't know if the guy is still showing up for work drunk, then you have given a reason for the folks to question the "brotherhood" culture. My feeling is that Stcroix, started this post with the hope of everyone feeling sorry for him and he exposed himself as being more interested in his advancement than his "brothers" welfare. By the way, I really like all your attempts to bring culture to BR. You are the Martha Stewart of BR. Or, maybe the Alfred E Newman. And your first round draft choice really sucked. Go Packers .
Super User Raider Nation Fisher Posted May 9, 2014 Super User Posted May 9, 2014 Raider, I don't think anyone was "bashing" the union. To began with, Stcroix stated in the OP that he was worried that if he outed his "brother" that his fellow workers would not vote for him in an upcoming union election. I'm not bashing the union, I'm simply pointing out that he seems to be more worried about his future in the union than the safety of his union "brothers" This was not about unions but about Stcroix covering his butt. To began with, it was a really dumb post. When you have a whole lot of folks who are not really excited about unions and have Stcroix say " At least he still has his job" when he doesn't know if the guy is still showing up for work drunk, then you have given a reason for the folks to question the "brotherhood" culture. My feeling is that Stcroix, started this post with the hope of everyone feeling sorry for him and he exposed himself as being more interested in his advancement than his "brothers" welfare.Oh its not you. Its just the general theme some of the last post were starting to take. It was just rubbing me the wrong way for some reason. I agree the OP seemed to be more concerned for 1 brother over the group. As well as himself and the upcoming election. I kinda think it wasn't meant to come off that way. Even though it did. I could be completely wrong though. The part about the election is what made me think I might be wrong. At the same time, I have learned that all unions are different. Even down to the huge differences amongst the locals of the same union. Im speaking strictly from a construction trade union perspective. Which seem to be different then unions representing manufacturing and what not. Personally, I think the whole situation is messed up. I know I wouldn't want to work around someone who is intoxicated. This sounds like something the hall needs to handle. Not the employer. I feel like this man is doing a hack job, and taking money away from another brother that needs work. Putting your brothers and sisters at risk, because you have a problem is not what brotherhood is about. There is absolutely no place for that in the work force. The enablers are every bit as bad as he is. That's part of the reasons unions have a bad reputation. There are other reasons, yet this is one of them.
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