How Many Languages Can You Speak?

[Christian M]

In this particular example the laborers language was Spanish. Seeing as they are the most widely used laborers on non Union projects. I do not work, with or "beside" laborers. Regardless of what ethnicity they are. They are not skilled labor in any way.

If I owned my own company at the current moment. I would still be in business without the hispanic laborers, or any ethnicity of laborer. I'm not a general contractor. Therefore the hiring of unskilled labor does not fall into my realm of work. If I need something cleaned up, I have an apprentice to do that for me.

I'm a journeyman wireman. AKA a journeyman electrician. I am in no way nor have I ever been a laborer. Thusly classifying me as a skilled tradesman. I don't sweep floors or dig holes for a living. I wire, construct, install, and troubleshoot electrical systems. From simple items such as a light and a switch, up to PLC systems and multi billion dollar control systems. Again I am in no way a laborer.

Edit: As far as the Alaskan, Hawaiian, and Native American. I would, in my everyday voice tell them to stand back. I've never ran into that situation. Where a Hawaiian, Native American, or Alaskan were working on a job with me. However, being a part of what I am. I'm not too concerned with that becoming a problem for me. Yes, I can work anywhere in this nation I choose to now. Funny thing is. If you can't speak English your not allowed on the job site. Its a safety hazard to all those around you. Including in Hawaii and Alaska. Indian reservations are governed by their own laws. So that's a different story. Don't believe me? Go see how fast the power company runs you out of a nuclear plant for not understanding the signs they have posted. I mean its just a nuclear power plant. Its not like they can meltdown, release massive amounts of radiation, or anything. Actually, you ain't gonna set foot in that plant until after you pass the massive amount of background checks. Plus the novel size stack of paperwork you have to fill out. Its all written in English by the way. You do all that so that you can then take a weeks worth of safety classes. Again all in English. Then your able to set foot inside the facility. Takes about 2 weeks to complete all of that. Funny how the government and the regulators only allow people who can understand and speak English into our Nuke plants.

Again, the ORIGINAL POST said "HOW MANY LANGUAGES CAN YOU SPEAK?"...Its about the fact that knowing more than one language helps tremendously in life due to ever increasing social and economic globalization. I would think that as a "journeyman electrician" you would be able to at least appreciate this concept. I'm not knocking what you do, I realize its a highly skilled trade. However, by definition, and by your own description, what you're doing is manual labor.

 

You're grasping at straws with the whole nuke thing. You're talking about a NUCLEAR POWER PLANT...AKA major terrorist target...

 

I'm gonna go with Sirsnookalot and say you need to wet a line more often. It's all about knowledge my friend.

[Raider Nation Fisher]

Again, the ORIGINAL POST said "HOW MANY LANGUAGES CAN YOU SPEAK?"...Its about the fact that knowing more than one language helps tremendously in life due to ever increasing social and economic globalization. I would think that as a "journeyman electrician" you would be able to at least appreciate this concept. I'm not knocking what you do, I realize its a highly skilled trade. However, by definition, and by your own description, what you're doing is manual labor.

You're grasping at straws with the whole nuke thing. You're talking about a NUCLEAR POWER PLANT...AKA major terrorist target...

I'm gonna go with Sirsnookalot and say you need to wet a line more often. It's all about knowledge my friend.

Then why would you ask where would I be without the Spanish speaking laborers? I was responding to your post.

I work heavy industrial construction. Apparently that's too hard for you to grasp. Allow me to break it down for you. I work in Nuke plants, Steam plants, power plants in general, refractories, refineries, lime plants, paper mills, things of that nature. Places that will and can kill you, and others if you or someone else makes a mistake. I also work in pharmaceutical plants. Which would be a place that loses millions of dollars an hour if you mess something up. In none of these places do they allow people WHO CANNOT SPEAK English to work. Or am I just grasping at straws again. In no way does it benefit me to currently speak another language as far as my work goes. Can you understand what I'm typing?

[.ghoti.]

I'm fluent in American English and smartass. You can thank me now for replying in the former.

[.ghoti.]

Raider, you may want to keep in mind that any type of construction work looks like manual labor to the uninitiated. The guy does not know that he just insulted you.

[Raider Nation Fisher]

Raider, you may want to keep in mind that any type of construction work looks like manual labor to the uninitiated. The guy does not know that he just insulted you.

I believe you are correct. I will have to redact the first part of that post. I ain't think about it that way.

[slonezp]

¿ʇunoɔ ʇɐɥʇ sǝop ˙spɹɐʍʞɔɐq puɐ uʍop ǝpısdn ǝdʎʇ uɐɔ ı

[MCS]

¿ʇunoɔ ʇɐɥʇ sǝop ˙spɹɐʍʞɔɐq puɐ uʍop ǝpısdn ǝdʎʇ uɐɔ ı

Na Zdrowie

[Christian M]

Then why would you ask where would I be without the Spanish speaking laborers? I was responding to your post.

I work heavy industrial construction. Apparently that's too hard for you to grasp. Allow me to break it down for you. I work in Nuke plants, Steam plants, power plants in general, refractories, refineries, lime plants, paper mills, things of that nature. Places that will and can kill you, and others if you or someone else makes a mistake. I also work in pharmaceutical plants. Which would be a place that loses millions of dollars an hour if you mess something up. In none of these places do they allow people WHO CANNOT SPEAK English to work. Or am I just grasping at straws again. In no way does it benefit me to currently speak another language as far as my work goes. Can you understand what I'm typing?

    I'll answer your question with a question. You've stated that your workplace doesn't allow non English speaking workers. You don't care to learn another language and it doesn't benefit you. Well then why make the comment about people around you not understanding English when you say get back, then you turn up the juice? Why even comment on this thread if you have nothing positive to contribute?

 

   Yes, I brought up Spanish speaking laborers. You said yourself that they are the most commonly hired workers on non-union jobs. Therefore, that would imply there are a lot of businesses that couldn't, or would have difficulty running without them. Also, If you read my last post, I specifically said "I'm not knocking what you do, I realize its a highly skilled trade". However, you said yourself you do things as simple as a light and switch. To me that sounds like manual labor. Now that you've clarified yourself by tooting your own horn in a very angry rant that came off rather ignorant, yes I comprende! Actually, I worked in construction for a while. My uncle is a general contractor, my best friend is a certified electrician whose family own one of the largest electrical service companies in the area. So I understand how screwing up on a job can cost millions, or even worse, someones life.

 

    However, it sounds like you think I might push a broom or a mop. I don't. I'm the program coordinator for a non-profit transitional work program. We help disabled high school students and adults find, and keep jobs. I communicate with people from all walks of life everyday, both in English and Spanish. Including state officials, board of ed members, case workers, counselors, teachers, transportation contractors, business owners (both public and private sector) parents, clients etc. Personally, if I didn't speak another language, I wouldn't be such an asset to the school that we operate under. Hence my interest in the ORIGINAL POST. Is that concept too hard for you to grasp?

 

That being said...go wet a line man, preferably a live one! Entiendes lo que digo?

[*Hootie]

¿ʇunoɔ ʇɐɥʇ sǝop ˙spɹɐʍʞɔɐq puɐ uʍop ǝpısdn ǝdʎʇ uɐɔ ı

Don't feel obligated to answer, but I sure would like to know how you did that. Super Cool!

Hootie

[deaknh03]

Raider, you may want to keep in mind that any type of construction work looks like manual labor to the uninitiated. The guy does not know that he just insulted you.

I'm initiated and it looks like manual labor to me..

[Christian M]

¿ʇunoɔ ʇɐɥʇ sǝop ˙spɹɐʍʞɔɐq puɐ uʍop ǝpısdn ǝdʎʇ uɐɔ ı

Definitely counts!!

[Raider Nation Fisher]

I'll answer your question with a question. You've stated that your workplace doesn't allow non English speaking workers. You don't care to learn another language and it doesn't benefit you. Well then why make the comment about people around you not understanding English when you say get back, then you turn up the juice? Why even comment on this thread if you have nothing positive to contribute?

 

   Yes, I brought up Spanish speaking laborers. You said that they are the most commonly hired workers on non-union jobs. Therefore, that would imply there are a lot of businesses that couldn't, or would have difficulty running without them. If you read my last post I specifically said "I'm not knocking what you do, I realize its a highly skilled trade". However, you said yourself you do things as simple as a light and switch. To me that sounds like manual labor. Now that you've clarified yourself by tooting your own horn in a very angry rant that came off rather ignorant, yes I comprende! 

 

    However, it sounds like you think I might push a broom or a mop. I don't. I'm the program coordinator for a transitional work program. We help disabled high school students and adults find, and keep jobs. I communicate with people from all walks of life everyday, both in English and Spanish. Including state officials, board of ed members, case workers, counselors, teachers, transportation contractors, business owners (both public and private sectors) parents, clients etc. Personally, if I didn't speak another language, I wouldn't be such an asset to the school that we operate under. Hence my interest in the ORIGINAL POST.

 

That being said...go wet a line man, preferably a live one! Entiendes lo que digo?

Tsk tsk. Don't try an race bait me homie. I never even asked or hinted as to what your occupation was or is. Essentially you just wrote a paragraph to say your a pencil/pen pusher. One who is woefully ignorant of the trades. Which is ok, lots of people don't know about them. I am happy you comprende though. See you learned something.

I also stated on the first page that I'm learning German currently. Just because it doesn't benefit my career choice. Doesn't mean I can't learn another language. Maybe I'm just doing it for the sake of knowledge. So see I did contribute to the thread. I feel it was a positive post too.

As for negatively contributing to the thread. You seem to have an issue with my not wanting to work with non English speaking people. Did you ever in all your infinite intellect stop to think that maybe just maybe their is a reason for that? Never did I say they were inferior or anything of the sort. (Figured I would beat you to that.) All I said was they were/are a safety hazard. You jumped on me about that. Not the other way around. YOU started that one homie. Come spend a day working with me, and see if you don't feel the same way at the end of the day. After all you didn't watch your friend get a golf ball size chunk blown out of his arm. All because someone who couldn't read the hold tag, cut our lock off and energized the circuit we were working on. Hey, that's OK though. He couldn't understand English, he just needed to use the circuit we were working on.

Yes I brought up Spanish speaking laborers. I worked around them for awhile. This is before I went union. Perhaps I should have clarified that. My apologies.

"Go wet a line, preferably a live one." While I am honored that you think I'm a lineman/outside wireman. I'm classified as an inside wireman. So I don't get to play with power lines as of now. However, you can wet a live line all day. You can jump on one, dance a jig on one, lay on one, heck you could even lick one if you wanted to. As long as you are not grounded nothing will happen. No shock, no metallic taste(unless you lick one), no burns, no arc flash, no nothing. I did pour a bottle of water out on a live 120volt wire, after I got home, since you requested I wet something with juice on it. I was even holding the bare copper end in my hand. Unfortunately it didn't even give me a tingle. Must have been these darn electrical hazard rated boots keeping me from grounding myself out. I tried for ya homie.

[Raider Nation Fisher]

I'm initiated and it looks like manual labor to me..

No comment.

[deaknh03]

No comment.

most of the trades are manual labor..manual labor is not a bad thing, someones gotta do it. It's how things get built.

[Raider Nation Fisher]

most of the trades are manual labor..manual labor is not a bad thing, someones gotta do it. It's how things get built.

Its the connotation that was inferred by it. Not the actual phrase itself. Its mainly just semantics. You have skilled labor and unskilled labor. Manual labor is generally used to refer to an unskilled laborers work. At least within the trades it is. Skilled labor goes through an apprenticeship program. Which ususally run between 4 to 6 years. It requires taking tests and working x amount of hours to qualify for a state test in your respective trade. The state test are anything but easy and require a good deal of knowledge to pass them. Apprentices do the bulk of the manual labor while the journeymen supervise and teach the apprentices the correct way to do it.

[Christian M]

Tsk tsk. Don't try an race bait me homie. I never even asked or hinted as to what your occupation was or is. Essentially you just wrote a paragraph to say your a pencil/pen pusher. One who is woefully ignorant of the trades. Which is ok, lots of people don't know about them. I am happy you comprende though. See you learned something.

I also stated on the first page that I'm learning German currently. Just because it doesn't benefit my career choice. Doesn't mean I can't learn another language. Maybe I'm just doing it for the sake of knowledge. So see I did contribute to the thread. I feel it was a positive post too.

As for negatively contributing to the thread. You seem to have an issue with my not wanting to work with non English speaking people. Did you ever in all your infinite intellect stop to think that maybe just maybe their is a reason for that? Never did I say they were inferior or anything of the sort. (Figured I would beat you to that.) All I said was they were/are a safety hazard. You jumped on me about that. Not the other way around. YOU started that one homie. Come spend a day working with me, and see if you don't feel the same way at the end of the day. After all you didn't watch your friend get a golf ball size chunk blown out of his arm. All because someone who couldn't read the hold tag, cut our lock off and energized the circuit we were working on. Hey, that's OK though. He couldn't understand English, he just needed to use the circuit we were working on.

Yes I brought up Spanish speaking laborers. I worked around them for awhile. This is before I went union. Perhaps I should have clarified that. My apologies.

"Go wet a line, preferably a live one." While I am honored that you think I'm a lineman/outside wireman. I'm classified as an inside wireman. So I don't get to play with power lines as of now. However, you can wet a live line all day. You can jump on one, dance a jig on one, lay on one, heck you could even lick one if you wanted to. As long as you are not grounded nothing will happen. No shock, no metallic taste(unless you lick one), no burns, no arc flash, no nothing. I did pour a bottle of water out on a live 120volt wire, after I got home, since you requested I wet something with juice on it. I was even holding the bare copper end in my hand. Unfortunately it didn't even give me a tingle. Must have been these darn electrical hazard rated boots keeping me from grounding myself out. I tried for ya homie.

My dear "Homie", you do a good enough job "race baiting" yourself. After studying a couple of your previous posts on other threads, sounds like you have a lot of misguided, pent up hate.

 

As far as me being a pencil/pen pusher who is woefully ignorant of the trades, and me spending a day doing your job...no thanks. I'll stick with my career. I don't have any ill will towards anyone when I come home to my family. Maybe you should spend a day at my job, you might go home with a smile on your face after helping to change someones life.

 

As for you friend, that's horrible and I'm sorry to hear that. Fortunately, there are programs like ours for people who get hurt on the job. You see, I would be the guy making every effort to find your friend a new way to put food on his plate if he was disabled after his accident. I'd try for your homie.

[Raider Nation Fisher]

My dear "Homie", you do a good enough job "race baiting" yourself. After studying a couple of your previous posts on other threads, sounds like you have a lot of misguided, pent up hate.

 

As far as me being a "pencil/pen pusher. One who is woefully ignorant of the trades", Well, I would be the guy making every effort to find your friend a new way to put food on his plate if he was disabled after his accident.

Just read my avatar. Read my signature. That ain't hard to ascertain. No need to study up on my previous post. I openly put it out there. Heck I'll openly discuss it with ya. Its directed towards all of humanity. I don't care what color or religion or anything else, I honestly don't discriminate. People as a whole disgust me.

Then again don't buy into everything someone post on the internet. It may just be a facade. I may actually enjoy people quite a bit. Including the Spanish speakers I refer to. I may have been just trolling the hell out of you this whole time. Same with some of my other misguided hate filled post. Don't take everything I say as the God honest truth. I very much enjoy eliciting a response from people. I always have.

As far as being a pen/pencil pusher. Don't like it when I generalize your career do ya?

I respect what you do. It takes a special person to put up with the stuff you do. If you would be interested in sharing with me how your job works PM me. I'm interested in hearing about it. I may even explain how the trades work to ya.

[MCS]

Looks like Raider just got moved to the front of the list for the next NBA expansion team. Bwahahaha I kid I kid.

[.ghoti.]

Methinks our friend Raider enjoys being a provocateur.

[Christian M]

Just read my avatar. Read my signature. That ain't hard to ascertain. No need to study up on my previous post. I openly put it out there. Heck I'll openly discuss it with ya. Its directed towards all of humanity. I don't care what color or religion or anything else, I honestly don't discriminate. People as a whole disgust me.

Then again don't buy into everything someone post on the internet. It may just be a facade. I may actually enjoy people quite a bit. Including the Spanish speakers I refer to. I may have been just trolling the hell out of you this whole time. Same with some of my other misguided hate filled post. Don't take everything I say as the God honest truth. I very much enjoy eliciting a response from people. I always have.

As far as being a pen/pencil pusher. Don't like it when I generalize your career do ya?

I respect what you do. It takes a special person to put up with the stuff you do. If you would be interested in sharing with me how your job works PM me. I'm interested in hearing about it. I may even explain how the trades work to ya.

Why lie about it now? Hey man, I didn't go on an irate rant when you made a generalization about my job did I? I'm happy with my life and I don't need to "troll" anyone about anything. Actually, I really do need to get back to pushing my pencil/pen (its really a keyboard), but if it makes you feel better...

[Raider Nation Fisher]

Methinks our friend Raider enjoys being a provocateur.

Me thinks you are correct.

[Raider Nation Fisher]

Why lie about it now? Hey man, I didn't go on an irate rant when you made a generalization about my job did I? I'm happy with my life and I don't need to "troll" anyone about anything. Actually, I really do need to get back to pushing my pencil/pen (its really a keyboard), but if it makes you feel better...

Oh no. I really was upset about having my job generalized. I also ain't lying about anything. I'm just saying with the exception of the job generalization. There was no malice in any of those post. Just empty words.

As for the pen/pencil pushing. I actually quite enjoyed the way it sounded. Sounds a bit more distinguished then keyboard jockey.

[South FLA]

Falo Inlges, Espanhol, e Portugues.

[Root beer]

Hey, Raider, according to us carpet walker that crunches the numbers that goes into the project you work on your pay is classified as labor hours, therefore, you're a laborer.

[Raider Nation Fisher]

Hey, Raider, according to us carpet walker that crunches the numbers that goes into the project you work on your pay is classified as labor hours, therefore, you're a laborer.

When doing service work its classified as billable hours.