The Nice Gear Double Standard Thread

[plumworm]

I did not ever call you dumb, Read what I said. I still would like you to prove your statements by providing the threads, posts and quotes. You don't need to redact the names because whatever is posted here is public. Your refusal, because you don't want to name,names is BS. Just provide a few, One real bias quote, any person who has said " those darn rich guys have better tackle than me " or " those dumb bassfisherguys don't spend enough on their tackle and can't possibly catch fish' I would be willing to bet you can't. The ball is in your corner.

[NorcalBassin]

I've seen it plenty of times in the rod/reels forum over the years. It's usually not overly blatant (the mods do an excellent job keeping things at least borderline respectful), but if you search for NRX's or Ugly Stiks with a post count of 20 or more you're probably going to find some examples. Fortunately no one gets too carried away, but it's there (generally more so from the lower end gear crowd defending their choice).

[NorcalBassin]

Here's a current example...

http://www.bassresource.com/bass-fishing-forums/topic/134254-interesting-observation/

 

This one will keep you busy for a while...

http://www.bassresource.com/bass-fishing-forums/topic/130067-what-makes-a-reel-worth-600-dollars-i-speak-of-the-diawa-steez/page-1?hl

[buzzfrog]

"I guess you are right, I'm just disappointed it's here"    ... Yes I was, because I hadn't seen it here until you brought it up. I wish you would give  examples of this bias,  ie: threads, posts, and quotes of what you claim. 

there everywhere, with 200 some post I figured you see it, it rises up in the show and tell section, actually about a few pages back from the current one

[*Hootie]

I'm happy and I don't need to make excuses or apologize.

Hootie

[frogflogger]

Bass are the greatest fish - you can catch them with a cane pole or a $1000 japanese rod - a piece of bacon rind or $500 swim bait - they are so much fun who cares who has what - they've enabled me to make a simple living and have a huge amount of fun showing other folks how much fun they can be for anyone at any age at any income level. If you're enjoying the sport you're doing it right. If you can afford good stuff and a good boat take some one out who can't - take a kid, a vet - an old fart - share the sport - share the enthusiasm - have fun, go bass fishing - who has what is immaterial.

[Master Bait'r]

You think it's bad in fishing, you should get into skiing haha...  This is a slumber party my friends    $100k won't even get you NEAR the access road in a resort town and ski bums make bass bums look like aristocrats while trust-funders abound too.  The income variation makes for some interesting anger and conflict for sure.  Conversely, I think we have it great here and the few bumps in the carpet are flattened easily enough as BR's mods are awesome.  

 

 

Defensiveness is simply a projection of a lack of confidence brought on by something that makes them feel inferior and that is 100% that fault of the "feeler".  Nothing you can do but correct the behavior when it happens, keep sharing the love and let the mods be the only people who address the complaints of the insecure.      

[ww2farmer]

I have always stuck up for the little guy who can't afford the expensive toys because...... Well.... I am one of those guys. Any time I speak up on this subject, it's just to say that you can be very successful with modest equipment if you know what you're doing. Also... No ill will towards guys with more than me.... You can bet your backside, that if I had the means, there would be a $70,000 ranger in my driveway, but I don't, so there's no sense in worrying about it. The way I look at it is, you win the bank account game, I'll win on the water.

[0119]

Here's a current example...

http://www.bassresource.com/bass-fishing-forums/topic/134254-interesting-observation/

 

This one will keep you busy for a while...

http://www.bassresource.com/bass-fishing-forums/topic/130067-what-makes-a-reel-worth-600-dollars-i-speak-of-the-diawa-steez/page-1?hl

 

Thanks for going through the effort to find these threads and posting them!  It made me realize that I really enjoy reading ww2farmer and in general agree with everything he writes.

 

Its a shame we have grown so tired of shimano vs. the world and bass angler vs. bucket brigade threads that we now have to cultivate dissension amongst ourselves.

[boostr]

I'm happy and I don't need to make excuses or apologize.

Hootie

 

Its all your fault Hootie

[1234567]

I was on the trolling motor easing up to a spot once and some guy in a very nice boat passed me up by about two boat lengths dropped his trolling motor and preceded fishing.  He may have been in a tourney, maybe not and I don't care.  The next one to do that I'll blow up the spot by preceding to drive around in circles in front of him til he leaves.  Did he feel entitled because of his rig, who knows and again, I really don't care.  If I feel in the right mood, maybe I'll just follow him around the rest of the day and continue the pattern.  I give the same amount of respect that's received.  

 

I will pick up and drive way around guys on the bank, in other boats.  Like others said, it really is just about respect for others.  

 

To be fair, these types of situations aren't very common.  Most anglers shore or boat exercise good judgement and give respect to others on the water.  

[*Hootie]

I was on the trolling motor easing up to a spot once and some guy in a very nice boat passed me up by about two boat lengths dropped his trolling motor and preceded fishing. He may have been in a tourney, maybe not and I don't care. The next one to do that I'll blow up the spot by preceding to drive around in circles in front of him til he leaves. Did he feel entitled because of his rig, who knows and again, I really don't care. If I feel in the right mood, maybe I'll just follow him around the rest of the day and continue the pattern. I give the same amount of respect that's received.

I will pick up and drive way around guys on the bank, in other boats. Like others said, it really is just about respect for others.

To be fair, these types of situations aren't very common. Most anglers shore or boat exercise good judgement and give respect to others on the water.

I hear ya. I have that happen occasionally, and I always just let them have the spot. The lake is too big and life is to short to let someone ruin my day. But believe me, I feel your pain....lol.

Hootie

[Master Bait'r]

I hear ya. I have that happen occasionally, and I always just let them have the spot. The lake is too big and life is to short to let someone ruin my day. But believe me, I feel your pain....lol.

Hootie

 

 

You could always throw down an anchor and crank up the tunes/go for a dip too haha 

[Raul]

You wanna know what I love about my everyday lake ?

 

That pleasure boaters, jet skiers and water skiers just can make use of it even at it´s highest pool level, it´s choked with standing timber and impossible to navigate at the warp speeds those "rich" guys like to cruise.

 

We bass fisherman down here at my neck of the woods are just a bunch of dumb tobakee chewin´ rednecks that can´t afford a bass boat so we gotta fish from kayaks, belly boats or jonboats.

[FD.]

I still would like you to prove your statements by providing the threads, posts and quotes. The ball is in your corner.

 

Here is your example. This is not directed at you WW2, but your post does support my point.

 

I have always stuck up for the little guy who can't afford the expensive toys because...... Well.... I am one of those guys. Any time I speak up on this subject, it's just to say that you can be very successful with modest equipment if you know what you're doing. Also... No ill will towards guys with more than me.... You can bet your backside, that if I had the means, there would be a $70,000 ranger in my driveway, but I don't, so there's no sense in worrying about it. The way I look at it is, you win the bank account game, I'll win on the water.

The little guy does not need to be stuck up for. At least on this forum he is encouraged and respected. And I will call out people who treat them any other way. I used to be the little guy.

While this may not be the intent, the statement "you win the bank account game, I'll win on the water" implies that because I have nice gear I have either somehow lost the ability to catch fish, or never had it to begin with. This attitude is what irritates me the most. It dismisses all the effort that was invested to first, become a good fisherman, and secondly, the sacrifices that were made to earn the money to pay for nice gear.

I guess the impression is that "rich" people buy bass boats and high end gear just to look good. I live in an area where you can fish high payout tournaments 50 weekends of the year if you want. I see the rigs, attitudes of the fishermen, and the results every time it hit the ramp. I know hundreds of tournament fishermen and I can say this with absolute certainty. While some of them may be "big fat jerks" personally, not one of them bought gear to impress anyone. In fact the opposite is true. Most everyone I know started in a low budget boat that we sometimes wish we still had. They started with modest gear and as their skill and interest grew, so did their financial commitment to this sport.

[ww2farmer]

Here is your example. This is not directed at you WW2, but your post does support my point.

The little guy does not need to be stuck up for. At least on this forum he is encouraged and respected. And I will call out people who treat them any other way. I used to be the little guy.

While this may not be the intent, the statement "you win the bank account game, I'll win on the water" implies that because I have nice gear I have either somehow lost the ability to catch fish, or never had it to begin with. This attitude is what irritates me the most. It dismisses all the effort that was invested to first, become a good fisherman, and secondly, the sacrifices that were made to earn the money to pay for nice gear.

I guess the impression is that "rich" people buy bass boats and high end gear just to look good. I live in an area where you can fish high payout tournaments 50 weekends of the year if you want. I see the rigs, attitudes of the fishermen, and the results every time it hit the ramp. I know hundreds of tournament fishermen and I can say this with absolute certainty. While some of them may be "big fat jerks" personally, not one of them bought gear to impress anyone. In fact the opposite is true. Most everyone I know started in a low budget boat that we sometimes wish we still had. They started with modest gear and as their skill and interest grew, so did their financial commitment to this sport.

Not directed at me? But it proves your point? And what is that point? That guys with low end stuff should just get out of the way and let the "adults " talk? You started this nonsense thread..... Personally, I think, to back handed shots at peoplewith lesser stuff than you, but that's just my opinion. If you take offense to my last statement in my previous post.... Well that's your problem. Obviously you.... #1 don't know me well enough to know that I like to kid around and say silly things like that, and #2, your making it seem fairly obvious that you need a giant pat on the back in public for buying such nice stuff.... Sooooo here is an atta' boy from me..... Enjoy your stuff, but maybe you should put a little extra in the fishing budget for a box of tampons.

[Master Bait'r]

Not directed at me? But it proves your point? And what is that point? That guys with low end stuff should just get out of the way and let the "adults " talk? You started this nonsense thread..... Personally, I think, to back handed shots at peoplewith lesser stuff than you, but that's just my opinion. If you take offense to my last statement in my previous post.... Well that's your problem. Obviously you.... #1 don't know me well enough to know that I like to kid around and say silly things like that, and #2, your making it seem fairly obvious that you need a giant pat on the back in public for buying such nice stuff.... Sooooo here is an atta' boy from me..... Enjoy your stuff, but maybe you should put a little extra in the fishing budget for a box of tampons.

 

 

 

Buy yourself a box of "supers" while you're at it man, he was not only 100% spot on, but you're further proving his point.  Nobody insinuated that you have no place on the water, but you seem to take instant issue with the simple fact that some people like to buy and fish really nice gear.  It's silly.  Stop with the inferior projections already man, they're just not healthy.  

[Glenn]

Really guys? 

 

I hate it when I have to treat grown adults like children.

 

Geez folks, who gives a crap about who owns what? It makes no difference in my boat, nor should it with you.  There's bigger things to worry about.

 

Simple.

 

Let's move on.

[Maxximus Redneckus]

Yuup wait for it......

[aquaholic]

Everyone wants to feel special,  and its human nature to compare. If people are giving you a hard time in person about your gear and tackle you're fishing way to close to them. The distance i keep from other fisherman you wouldnt be able to tell if i was using a cane pole or a gold pole. My friends give me a hard time sometimes but thats what friends do, so who cares. Its not the arrow, its the indian.

[FD.]

 Your refusal, because you don't want to name,names is BS. .

 

 

Now do you see why I was reluctant to quote a specific post?  Do you now understand my original post, or is it still hidden from you?  I would have been happy to just let this one die, but since you have called me out twice, the ball is now in your corner court.   (I hate mixed idioms)

[.ghoti.]

the ball is now in your corner? A masterfully mixed metaphor. (I love alliteration)

[FD.]

the ball is now in your corner? A masterfully mixed metaphor. (I love alliteration)

 

I edited my last post.  It's actually an idiom and not a metaphor.  I did not want Mike to yell at me for not using proper grammar.

[Raul]

I think Irene is gonna make her appearance in this thread quite soon.

[FD.]

I think Irene is gonna make her appearance in this thread quite soon.

 

It's about time