Jon G Posted March 28, 2014 Posted March 28, 2014 Does anybody have knot that easily passes through micro guides (such as the micros on a duckett) ive tried the double uni and the alberto and im just stumped. Quote
jtesch Posted March 28, 2014 Posted March 28, 2014 Alberto is about the best. Honestly nothing really works well with micros 1 Quote
Tim Kelly Posted March 28, 2014 Posted March 28, 2014 The FG knot or Sebile knot is undoubtedly the strongest thinnest knot for joining braid to fluoro or mono. It's a monkey to tie, but once you've tied it you won't get the fluoro breaking at the knot ever. Through microguides you can feel it, because there is some extra stiffness as it's a long knot, but it won't catch on anything. If you do a search I put a video up in another thread showing the easiest way to tie it. Once you've practiced a couple of times it becomes easier, but it's still a five minute knot. Quote
Super User gulfcaptain Posted March 28, 2014 Super User Posted March 28, 2014 I use the albright knot on my micro guides. Got to cut the mono as short as possible, so I put a drop of superglue just to make sure it's locked. The heaviest I've got on my set ups are 30lb braid with 17lb flouro topshot. Anything heavier, I go to standard or minima guides. Quote
Super User S Hovanec Posted March 28, 2014 Super User Posted March 28, 2014 Sounds to me like the Duckett isn't the proper tool for your application. All of these companies jumped on the micro-guide bandwagon and put these teeny things on rods without giving thought to how people are going to use them. It has left a bad taste in some people's mouths about micros because of this. Proper guide sizing should be the smallest/lightest guide that can pass your connections. The Duckett rods have ridiculously small guides and what seems to be WAY too many of them. I fish 10# braid to 6# and 8# floro spliced with a uni-uni with 3.5mm SiC's and 4mm Alconites and have no problems passing the connections. I know others that fish much heavier stuff than that and pass thru the same guides I'm using. Quote
Delaware Valley Tackle Posted March 28, 2014 Posted March 28, 2014 Sounds to me like the Duckett isn't the proper tool for your application. All of these companies jumped on the micro-guide bandwagon and put these teeny things on rods without giving thought to how people are going to use them. It has left a bad taste in some people's mouths about micros because of this. Proper guide sizing should be the smallest/lightest guide that can pass your connections. The Duckett rods have ridiculously small guides and what seems to be WAY too many of them. I fish 10# braid to 6# and 8# floro spliced with a uni-uni with 3.5mm SiC's and 4mm Alconites and have no problems passing the connections. I know others that fish much heavier stuff than that and pass thru the same guides I'm using. X2, Spot on. I cast knots joining 50#PP & 17# fluoro thru #4 guides with no problem. I don't like that certain guides are lumped together as "micro" and poor guides setups on some factory rods leading people to hold generalized opinions and miss out on advantages of properly applied rod building concepts. Quote
Super User WIGuide Posted March 28, 2014 Super User Posted March 28, 2014 I'd give the blood knot a try and see if that'll slip through there. Quote
Preytorien Posted March 28, 2014 Posted March 28, 2014 Alberto is about the best. Honestly nothing really works well with micros Very true. I have a BPS Carbonlite with micro-guides. I've used all of the above knots and while some are more low-profile than others, none work really well. Sure the knot might be slim initially, but the second you get any kind of gunk buildup on the knot, it starts having trouble passing through the guides - or - the gunk starts to accumulate on the first (extremely tiny) guide as the joint passes through and you get binding soon after from just the amount of slop buildup on the guide. I finally decided to just buy another rig with standard guides and keep my microguide rod as my punching/frog rig with 65lb straight braid on it......no problems yet. Quote
Jon G Posted March 28, 2014 Author Posted March 28, 2014 Thanks everybody i got an improved albright to work. This was the first time i put braid on one of my ducketts and i just dont feel comfortable without a leader. If it ends up causing me trouble i will probably just switch my set up around or who lnows it may give me a good reason to try a macro magic Quote
Super User Fishes in trees Posted March 28, 2014 Super User Posted March 28, 2014 Just a question. If you're doing a fluorocarbon to braid connection, when would you use/need a leader longer than a couple of feet? When you're pitching, when & how would the knot get anywhere close to the guides? Even using spinning gear and regular guides, I've never found the need to go more than a 2 foot leader. What is the point of a longer leader? I' not seeing/understanding something. Quote
Got1Fishing Posted March 28, 2014 Posted March 28, 2014 Alberto is about the best. Honestly nothing really works well with micros I use the alberto knot with my St. Croix rage rods and it's still annoying... I think it comes down to either having a long leader or a really short one, but not something in the middle... Quote
5dollarsplash Posted March 28, 2014 Posted March 28, 2014 I use the alberto knot with my St. Croix rage rods and it's still annoying... I think it comes down to either having a long leader or a really short one, but not something in the middle... I've run into the same thing, and the only solution I've found is going to the extremes-either short or long. Having a 2ft leader seems to have worked best for me. 1 Quote
Super User WRB Posted March 28, 2014 Super User Posted March 28, 2014 Does anybody have knot that easily passes through micro guides (such as the micros on a duckett) ive tried the double uni and the alberto and im just stumped.No knot will pass through small size micro guides smoothly, better off straight braid or mono/FC lines.Tom Quote
Super User S Hovanec Posted March 28, 2014 Super User Posted March 28, 2014 when would you use/need a leader longer than a couple of feet? .............. I've never found the need to go more than a 2 foot leader. What is the point of a longer leader? I' not seeing/understanding something. Dropshotting in deep water. If you start with only a 2' or 3' leader, after 1 re-tie, you need a new leader. I start with a 18' leader. by the end of the day, there's usually about 4' left. Tie a new one on and good to go the next day. Quote
Super User SirSnookalot Posted March 28, 2014 Super User Posted March 28, 2014 Like Fishes in trees I don't see the need for more than a 2' leader for most fishing. I do see the reason, that being not having to retie as often, which doesn't bother me a bit. I seldom tie line to leader, only when I fish for species that will attack a swivel as readily as the lure, when I do it's an alberto. Quote
Super User roadwarrior Posted March 28, 2014 Super User Posted March 28, 2014 The Alberto Knot is a variation of the Albright Knot, If you tie the Albright PERFECTLY it will hold just fine and is significantly smaller than the Alberto. http://www.animatedknots.com/albright/ Quote
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