9.0:1 Really Needed

[J Francho]

Probably 20 years ago or more.

[Master Bait'r]

You could fill Biwa with all the "unnecessary" advances in fishing.  After all- all you need is a stick, line and a hook to be fishing.  The rest is just nice options haha

[motodmast]

its just like everything else, bigger numbers grab our attention. and its something new they can make money off of. Remember, they are all about money, money money money. I guarantee someone will comeout with a 10.1:1 here soon, it will be the next "big Thing" and everyone will want one. Its all marketing

[snuffboX]

ever lose a fish cause they came straight towards the boat and put slack in the line? i use a revo rocket for everything from crankbaits to drop shotting and everything in between. just learn to slow your roll and it works great. also it takes 3 turns of the reel handle and your ready to make another long pitch. It works for me but to each his own i guess

[Brian Needham]

my lews 7.1 does 31 IPT that seems as fast as I would ever ever need.

 

 

the handle size point mentioned earlier is a very good point, one that I will keep in mind when setting up crankin sticks

[gulfcaptain]

. It works for me but to each his own i guess

 

 I guarantee someone will comeout with a 10.1:1 here soon, it will be the next "big Thing" and everyone will want one. Its all marketing

Yep, all about the marketing and the freedom to make a choice as to what equipment we choose to fish with.  snuffboX has it right, works for him, but to each their own.

[Crappiebasser]

Shimano made a two speed lo pro reel. Bantam Black Magnum II. 3.8:1 and 5.2:1. It even had mag brakes. It was fussy.

I still have one. That is the worst Shimano reel I ever owned. The shift lever was right behind the drag star and always in the way.

[.RM.]

No, you are increasing the distance your hand travels. One turn gets you 7 spool revolutions on a 7:1 reel, whether the handle is 90mm or 9 inches. Also, the longer the handle the less torque it takes to torn that reel. In sone situations, a long handle just feels better. In others I like short handle.

As far as 9:1 reels go, my 7:1 reels aren't my favorite for moving baits. There will always be room for a slower reel.

Amen to dat...

[.RM.]

Shimano made a two speed lo pro reel. Bantam Black Magnum II. 3.8:1 and 5.2:1. It even had mag brakes. It was fussy.

I love Shimano, but that 2 speed was one of the biggest peices of crap that I worked on in the early 90's.

I even owned one, that is now in peices, in a parts bin...

[J Francho]

Fussy is an understatement. Lol.

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

Fussy?...I just had a flashback, and it wern't pretty.

[McAlpine]

Handle length has nothing to do with gear ratio. One turn of the handle is going to turn the spool the stated amount of times, whether it's long or short. Longer handles  just gives more torque thus making it easier to reel at the higher speed.   And if you have a really low amount of line on your reel,  you can't really make long casts.  Think the tread started about what each of us thought so there isn't any complaining going on, just opinions in a discussion.  To each there own.  That's the great part about the market, we each can choose what we like to use.

 

 

Sorry bro, your right but your wrong.

 

Yes, you are correct that handle length has nothing to do with gear ratio.

 

However; why would anyone care in the conversation of the speed of a bait or why you would need a specific gear ratio?  Gear ratio is not the only deciding factor in how "FAST" your bait moves, nor is the length of handle solely....but....

 

The point is that handle length has everything to do with the speed of your bait.  The argument I was trying to make is that it pains me to constantly hear about everyone that gets hung up on gear ratio when IPT is way more important.  Still, why get hung up on IPT when it is a varaible that changes throughout your retreive based upon spool size with a bait caster.  In addition to that, the length of the radius of your handle will absolutly modify the SPEED at which your bait moves.  In a nutshell, bad math drives me absolutly nuts.  Yeah, I'm that geek.

 

Given a smaller or larger radius of the handle, your hand must move a certain number of inches in a circle to complete X revolutions of the spool.  The spool will take up a certain number of inches of line which is actually an integral because the diamater changes with time, ie..the plot of the IPT is a curve which never reaches absolute value.  Based upon that same time delta, your hand revolving in a circle to complete that revolution of the handle will take less time if the total distance traveled is less due to a smaller handle radius.  In the universe that we live in, your hand cannot spin a larger radius handle and a smaller radius handle at the same speed and take up the same amount of line due to the 1:1 nature of the gear ratio to the handle travel.  The larger radius handle will always be behind for distance traveled near the radius edge of the main gear as compared to distance traveled at the edge of the arc of the handle.

 

So...point being.....see my first post above for what variables to change if you want to move your bait really fast, and which variables to change if you want to move your bait really slow.

 

It's all about how fast the bait moves, not Gear Ratio, IPT, or Handle Length individually but about all of them together.

 

So really, why have the conversation about "why do you need a 9.0:1 gear ratio"?  We have many answers here to what was posed.  The problem however; is that the original poster asked the wrong question.

 

Know what I mean?

[*Hootie]

Know what I mean?

Yeah, that's it.

Hootie

[Raul]

You need it ? Not really, you can always crank faster

 

The fastest reel I own: Daiwa Procaster PT33SH, at 7.1:1 gear ratio and with an IPT of 34" ( according to Daiwa ) the thing was the fastest comercially available reel back in the early 90´s. Pretty son I discovered that it was not a "Jack of all trades". It does have a place and time if you really want to walk the path of the super specific, even though it still in use has never been one of the most used.

[gulfcaptain]

Good point, as the handle was never the reason of the posting.  But I can only think of how hard it would be to try and turn a 9:1 reel with a really small handle.  But as stated the best part we can all discuss and make our own choices and have our own opinions, learn new things from one another, and respectfully have a few discussions, disagreements, and share the same points of view. And when all is said and done, purchase whatever products WE individually like and want.

[Deleted account]

Sorry bro, your right but your wrong.

 

Yes, you are correct that handle length has nothing to do with gear ratio.

 

However; why would anyone care in the conversation of the speed of a bait or why you would need a specific gear ratio?  Gear ratio is not the only deciding factor in how "FAST" your bait moves, nor is the length of handle solely....but....

 

The point is that handle length has everything to do with the speed of your bait.  The argument I was trying to make is that it pains me to constantly hear about everyone that gets hung up on gear ratio when IPT is way more important.  Still, why get hung up on IPT when it is a varaible that changes throughout your retreive based upon spool size with a bait caster.  In addition to that, the length of the radius of your handle will absolutly modify the SPEED at which your bait moves.  In a nutshell, bad math drives me absolutly nuts.  Yeah, I'm that geek.

 

Given a smaller or larger radius of the handle, your hand must move a certain number of inches in a circle to complete X revolutions of the spool.  The spool will take up a certain number of inches of line which is actually an integral because the diamater changes with time, ie..the plot of the IPT is a curve which never reaches absolute value.  Based upon that same time delta, your hand revolving in a circle to complete that revolution of the handle will take less time if the total distance traveled is less due to a smaller handle radius.  In the universe that we live in, your hand cannot spin a larger radius handle and a smaller radius handle at the same speed and take up the same amount of line due to the 1:1 nature of the gear ratio to the handle travel.  The larger radius handle will always be behind for distance traveled near the radius edge of the main gear as compared to distance traveled at the edge of the arc of the handle.

 

So...point being.....see my first post above for what variables to change if you want to move your bait really fast, and which variables to change if you want to move your bait really slow.

 

It's all about how fast the bait moves, not Gear Ratio, IPT, or Handle Length individually but about all of them together.

 

So really, why have the conversation about "why do you need a 9.0:1 gear ratio"?  We have many answers here to what was posed.  The problem however; is that the original poster asked the wrong question.

 

Know what I mean?

 

That's a lot of typing, and you'd have a point, except that most modern LP bass reels have identical or very similar spool diameters, so its a moot point, kind of like making a big deal about the difference between mass and weight (unless you own a space ship)...

[McAlpine]

That's a lot of typing, and you'd have a point, except that most modern LP bass reels have identical or very similar spool diameters, so its a moot point, kind of like making a big deal about the difference between mass and weight (unless you own a space ship)...

 

 

But not all of them have the same amount of line on that spool or a deep spool vs. shallow spool for total volume of line which will radicaly change the diamater of the spool at the point which the line is revolving. Nor do all reels have identical handle radi.

 

So, in actuality a 9:1 gear ratio reel can provide a slower speed of bait retreival than a 5:1 gear ratio reel based upon the above variables.  So, why care if a reel is rated for 9:1?  My example above of the 7.9:1 MGX I have is that it's relative gear ratio is more in line with your common 7:1 reel because of it's smaller size and smaller line capacity.   As well it behaves more like a 6:1 with the line volume low.

 

Gear ratio is relative.  Why sweat it if you don't know the other variables?  It's marketing hype that the bass fishing community has bought into as gear ratio being the only thing to take into consideration about how "fast" a reel is.  Things are getting better with IPT numbers being advertised, but this is still not a real answer. 

 

And yes, the delta in bait speed can be quite radical across platforms with similar gear ratios.  Or, quite similar across platforms with greatly differential gear ratios.

 

The value that should be discussed when selecting a reel as "fast" or "slow" should be inches per second of bait movement as an integral of spool diameter at the radius of the line on the spool to it's center based upon a common velocity of the handle at it's end.  THAT would differentiate one reel from another and this test could be completed very easily and used for maketing.

 

Reel manufacturing companies however will never be this honest with the consumer.  Honesty about your product is not sexy. 

 

This reminds me of a Dilbert strip that I always loved.  Dilbert is trying to explain to a sales person all the technical qualities of a new product.  This occurs for several frames and in the frame afterwards the person just stares at him.  In the next frame Dilbert says, "Let me rephrase that in a language I like to call Liberal Arts Major".  In the next frame he says "It's Blue".  In the last frame if I remember correctly, the sales person loves it and determines that its going to make them rich.

[McAlpine]

Oh also, I'm done.  Sorry guys.  Obviously obssessed on this too much.  It just drives me nuts.  I'll try to let it go now so we can have fun again.

 

[RippinLips4]

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[gulfcaptain]

Oh also, I'm done.  Sorry guys.  Obviously obssessed on this too much.  It just drives me nuts.  I'll try to let it go now so we can have fun again.

 

Wow, you remind me of the character off Big Bang Theory.........the one and only Dr. Sheldon Cooper. j/k  Honestly  I did learn a lot as you have a great deal more technical info and knowledge.

[McAlpine]

Also, I personally prefer a 6.4:1

 

[McAlpine]

Wow, you remind me of the character off Big Bang Theory.........the one and only Dr. Sheldon Cooper. j/k  Honestly  I did learn a lot as you have a great deal more technical info and knowledge.

 

 

Yeah, don't let my wife see this, I'll hear about how I'm a dork for days.  She does proudly wear her "I (heart) my geek" tee at times though.

[rippin-lips]

Where were you when I was taking those d**n math test for the railroad haha.

[mjseverson24]

Hey now I get enough calculous in class, i don't need to see it on here too... lol good stuff man wear the nerd badge proudly...

 

Mitch 

[AQUA VELVA]

I can't wait for 10:1 reels complete with huge salt water handles! Yowzza!